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Apr 15, 2015 13:29:58   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
burkphoto wrote:
Relative to where you are, yes, it is gray market. The term means that the importer brought it into the country of sale through channels OUTSIDE OF the official importer for that country. Since you live in England, the US warranty most likely won't be honored by your official English importer.

Think of the local warranty premium the way the importer does. They charge more for the item than foreign competitors. Most of that is just gravy — extra profit — but some of it is set aside as a self-insurance policy against their cost of repairing the very few items that croak during the warranty period. This is a classic "value added" scenario, where the value to you is the convenience of having early problems fixed for free. But YOU are paying dearly for that convenience.

Do you need that convenience? Or is the risk of failure worth the savings on gray market merchandise? Only you can make that judgement.
Relative to where you are, yes, it is gray market.... (show quote)


Could not have said it any better my feelings exactly.

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Apr 15, 2015 13:36:01   #
CraigFair Loc: Santa Maria, CA.
 
donrent wrote:
Another reason NOT to buy Nikon....


42nd st has nothing to do with Nikon's superior cameras. Anybody doing business with 42nd st did not read their customer ratings.
I've owned Nikons for 40 years, some Grey Market, and have never needed a single repair.
There are very reputable companies that sell Grey Market equipment and do faithfully honor their Warranties.
I personally don't have a problem with Grey Market, they are the exact same equipment as the USA.
Craig

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Apr 15, 2015 14:01:39   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
donrent wrote:
Haydon sez: "Nobody in their right mind should buy a grey market Nikon unless they want to ship it out of the country for a repair.
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Well, that's understandable, but I for one would NEVER send anything back to the factory for repair when there are private repair shops who do just as good as factory (or better)........


But, private repair shops that are NOT authorized Nikon repair shops can NOT get genuine Nikon parts. Repair shops that are Nikon repair shops can get genuine Nikon parts BUT are forbiden from repairing grey market. (with the exception of Adorama and B&H with are allowed to repair grey market that they sell ( actually, since they have their own repair shops, I don't think they bother Nikon with telling them that they are repairing camera xyz from India when it is one that they sold and are responsible for. 42nd Street Photo, on the other hand, is neither an authorized dealer or an authorized repair facility, so their customers are angry when it comes time for repair. This is a problem, even after the warranty is done. If the serial number comes up as an out of the country serial number, Nikon will ask for a copy of the invoice and proof that you are either visiting from that country or demand that it be sent back to that country for repair. I don't know how Canon deals with the situation, but that is how Nikon's support staff are told to deal with it and supervisors, and officers of Nikon USA will not budge on that issue. This is to protect the authorized dealers from others seeking to undermine their sales. Authoirized dealers are not allowed to discount the camera or any Nikon parts BUT, they are allowed to include 3rd party accessories to sweeten the deal on a Nikon sale.. (for instance, your purchase of a Nikon body, with a 3rd party camera bag, battery, filters etc for the price of the camera body alone.)

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Apr 15, 2015 14:20:10   #
Carl 383 Loc: Southampton UK
 
Grey market bodies are exactly the same as a camera body bought in America, the only difference is that it has a manufactures warranty honoured in America. It depends how reliable the camera is, as to whether it is worthwhile paying the extra.
What you are doing is hoping it will break down within the warranty period, that way you will feel as if you are getting value for money but the way Canon and Nikon have released cameras with poor research and development resulting in far more recalls and warranty claims than in the past means buying an officially imported body you are more than likely to get customer satisfaction as you send it back for repair.
For me, if I am going to save 10% or more by buying grey then it will average out as cost effective to go grey.

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Apr 15, 2015 14:29:52   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
mborn wrote:
But doesn't each country Nikon set their own policy re grey market?


The local importer sets the policy. I think it's fairly safe to say that the importer does not want to foot the bill for warranty service if it is not their responsibility. The US warranty is provided by the US importer, not the manufacturer. If you try to get your US warranted camera fixed by an English importer's repair facility, there is likely to be a standard repair charge, if they'll fix it at all.

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Apr 15, 2015 14:45:46   #
OlinBost Loc: Marietta, Ga.
 
I bought a used D70s not knowing it was a Japan issued unit. No problems so far and the shutter count was low.

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Apr 15, 2015 14:52:57   #
Dan Mc Loc: NM
 
Much ado about nothing, or....a community of incredibly Much ado about nothing, really; or a community of pessimistic and paranoid folks!

How many have actually had serious issues with any camera or lens? Most never encounter a problem unless it is something they themselves did!

Do you buy ye more expensive razor blade because it is "gareunnnnteed" to be better?

Really????

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Apr 15, 2015 15:02:52   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
Let's see dropped an old Nikon 20 ago on tour and had
film door replaced. Had a cheaper Leica and sensor went a few months after use about 10 years ago. Sent Nikon D800 back for card acceptance problems fixed got back in week and worked.
Owned many camera's and lens. And many video camera's. Used by not used at pro pace even though much involved my marketing creative work.
So Camera's and len's are remarkable for their reliability.
Not problem. And if you are buying a Nikon and are in the US
buy a US model!!

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Apr 15, 2015 15:25:23   #
Math78 Loc: Scottsdale, AZ
 
burkphoto wrote:

Just as Consumer Reports recommends you NEVER buy extended warranties on anything, but put that money aside in savings, instead, I consider gray market cameras to be a good buy for the same reasons. Put the difference between gray market and US warranted goods aside in case of emergency.


I agree completely. Buying gray market is not a moral question or legal guestion, it is strictly dollars saved and how much risk you are willing to take. A warranty is just an insurance policy - usually overpriced. When possible, I prefer to be self-insuranced on consumer goods. If occasionally I get a lemon, I'll eat the cost and still come out ahead in the long run.

In 1971, a new college graduate without much money, I wanted to get a good 35mm camera. I bought an SRT-101 from an ad in a photography magazine. I sent a money order to Hong Kong, and three weeks later the mailman delivered my camera and collected $10 in duty. As I remember, the Hong Kong price was less than half of what a US shop charged. I don't know if the term gray markey was used back then. I just considered myself to be an importer. Over the next few years, I bought some lenses and other cameras the same way. Never had a problem. I still have the Minolta gear and it still works.

Last year, I bought a new D7100 from a retail seller on eBay. I paid $1200 for a body and two kit lenses. The exact same items on B&H were $1800. Modern electronic items are very reliable. The chances of a Nikon camera failing in the first year has got be to be much less than 10%. More than that and they would be out of business. $600 savings easily covered my risk. A year later, the D7100 still works fine. If it stopped working (or fell in the lake), I can replace it for about what I saved originally. Adorama has refurb for $700 and eBay new bodies are selling for $600 to $700.

Does anybody know why cameras have this huge difference in price for gray market? I don't see gray market TVs.

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Apr 15, 2015 15:28:49   #
londonfire Loc: NY to NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
A couple of days ago, someone posted about a problem with his new D750, from 42nd St Photo, and he's having trouble getting them to honor the warranty.


Wow, a problem with 42nd St. Photo? Imagine that....

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Apr 15, 2015 15:33:19   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
Math78 wrote:

Does anybody know why cameras have this huge difference in price for gray market? I don't see gray market TVs.


I bet it has to due with taxes and import duties plus Nikon USA its authorized dealers must sell within a certain limit. That is why the prices on Adorama, B&H etc. are so close in price

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Apr 15, 2015 17:47:27   #
jmizera Loc: Austin Texas
 
Dan Mc wrote:
Much ado about nothing, or....a community of incredibly Much ado about nothing, really; or a community of pessimistic and paranoid folks!

How many have actually had serious issues with any camera or lens? Most never encounter a problem unless it is something they themselves did!

Do you buy ye more expensive razor blade because it is "gareunnnnteed" to be better?

Really????


Your example of razor blades is not actually the same. You're actually talking about different products, vs. a version of the same product intended for one market, and not another. The distributor is compensated for providing warranty service for those authorized imports. And if it's a good product, why do you even need a warranty after all?

Well, four years ago I bought a fairly high end Sony camcorder. Actually bought it from the local dealer, as I would be using it professionally. After a couple of shoots, it was displaying an error code, and would not record. Contacted Sony, sent it in, it was returned after service, and worked fine since. The flat rate service would have cost $900, nearly 1/4 the cost of the camera.

So grey market on a tripod, sure. Lens, maybe. Camera? Nope.

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Apr 15, 2015 18:33:35   #
Mick1967 Loc: Tucson, Az.
 
I have a Canon Rebel xti, it is a wonderful camera easy to use and easy to edit my photographs. However I used to have a Pentax K1000, and a Pentax Mk, the K1000 was fully manual, while the Mk had automatic ufeatures. I have never taken pictures like I used to when using my old manual K1000, and semi automatic Mk. With the right film and film speed my photos were amazing and easy to work with. Plus any photograph can be scanned to any computer, and these days even with film, you get not only the negatives but a digital CD WITH YOUR photos. I love my Canon Rebel and I will probably upgrade to a newer model, but I am definitely going to buy a new or used (more likely) Pentax K1000.

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Apr 15, 2015 18:33:42   #
Anandnra Loc: Tennessee
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Repairing cameras on which they did not make a profit is not a good business plan. They might as well repair Sony cameras for free.


Come on Jerry .... Not so naive! Canon and Nikon make a ton of money on gray market products as well. It's the distributors/middle men who make the incremental profit on non gray market stuff. I am not by any means endorsing gray market merchandise just pointing out that manufacturers make their profit either way just so long as their products are sold.

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Apr 15, 2015 20:17:23   #
rob s Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
A couple of days ago, someone posted about a problem with his new D750, from 42nd St Photo, and he's having trouble getting them to honor the warranty.


NO! Another reason to avoid 42nd St like a case of ebola. I'm not a fan of Nikons although they are fine cameras - just a personal thing about how they handle BUT it's not the equipment's fault.

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