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Mar 11, 2015 15:36:47   #
Bear123 Loc: Wild & Wonderful West Virginia
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
Seems like going from one finger focus/shoot to two finger focus/shoot is more work.
I've been using BBF for still shots but not action shots. Will have to test that out.


I've been using BBF for several months now. For all shots, especially action keep the autofocus on continuous focus. When you need on only one focus press the focus button once; if you are taking pictures of the grandkids running around then keep your BBF button pushed and keep shooting. You'll get more keepers with BBF. Enjoy :)

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Mar 11, 2015 16:36:47   #
kenleyen Loc: MARY ESTHER FL.
 
HAVE HAD MY NIKON 300S FOR A A FEW YEARS AND NEVER CONSIDERED TAKING A/F OFF MY SHUTTER RELEASE I HAVE JUST DONE SO AND HAVE READ THE ARTICLE THAT BIGWOLF40 REFERS TO.
QUITE A REVELATION! I WILL TRY THIS FOR A WEEK OR MORE...


THANX

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Mar 11, 2015 18:13:08   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
tomcat wrote:
I have seen the video thank you. I understand exactly what the photographer is saying. But Nikon has a continuous subject tracking mode which will follow a moving subject, even anticipating which direction it will move next (a bird in flight, e.g.). So I still don't see what the hoopla is all about. I can do the same without BBF'ing.


Of course you can. BTW, that 'continuous subject tracking' is not a 'mode'. It is just the way Nikons focus on moving targets when in AF-C mode. However, if you try to take pictures of stationary subject while in AF-C mode your camera will refocus every time you try to recompose. So if you focus on a lions eye and then decide you don't want the eye in the centre of your image and recompose so the focus point is not on the eye, the ear for example, the camera will refocus on the ear. So you will either have to change the camera to AF-S mode or go through the exercise of moving your focus point to where you want the eye. Then if the lion decides to move toward you, you will have to switch to AF-C mode. All of these changes take time which a wildlife shooter cannot afford. BBF allows you to deal with both situations without changing anything on the camera in the heat of the moment. I always lock my focus point in the centre of the viewfinder so I know where it is, use it to focus on the lions eye with the back button, let go of the back button, recompose and shoot. If the lion starts running toward me I push down on the back button and get continuous subject tracking while I shoot on CH. If you don't see the value in this then don't use it. But don't poo-poo it for others.

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Mar 11, 2015 19:15:17   #
srfmhg Loc: Marin County, CA
 
I found BBF to be a pain in the neck on my Nikon D7000. I am left eye dominant and wear glasses and the right lens of my glasses would smudge whenever I touched the back button (which is right next to the viewfinder) with my thumb. I went back to shutter release focusing and I'm much happier - more keepers as well.

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Mar 11, 2015 19:30:45   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
mcveed wrote:
Of course you can. BTW, that 'continuous subject tracking' is not a 'mode'. It is just the way Nikons focus on moving targets when in AF-C mode. However, if you try to take pictures of stationary subject while in AF-C mode your camera will refocus every time you try to recompose. So if you focus on a lions eye and then decide you don't want the eye in the centre of your image and recompose so the focus point is not on the eye, the ear for example, the camera will refocus on the ear. So you will either have to change the camera to AF-S mode or go through the exercise of moving your focus point to where you want the eye. Then if the lion decides to move toward you, you will have to switch to AF-C mode. All of these changes take time which a wildlife shooter cannot afford. BBF allows you to deal with both situations without changing anything on the camera in the heat of the moment. I always lock my focus point in the centre of the viewfinder so I know where it is, use it to focus on the lions eye with the back button, let go of the back button, recompose and shoot. If the lion starts running toward me I push down on the back button and get continuous subject tracking while I shoot on CH. If you don't see the value in this then don't use it. But don't poo-poo it for others.
Of course you can. BTW, that 'continuous subject t... (show quote)


It's not how Nikon's focus in AF-C. It is a focusing mode in some cameras called 3D focusing and in some of the newer models called Group Area AF.

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Mar 11, 2015 22:21:29   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
SteveR wrote:
It's not how Nikon's focus in AF-C. It is a focusing mode in some cameras called 3D focusing and in some of the newer models called Group Area AF.


Yes it is the way Nikons auto-focus in AF-C mode. What you are talking about if fine tuning the AF-C mode. By pushing the little button inside the MF-AF switch and turning the sub-command dial you can set 1, 9, 21, or 51 AF points that you can select as a focus point. The camera (D800) will use all 51 AF points to track a moving subject no matter where you set it. You can also select 3D which simply means that the camera will switch from one focus point to another if the subject moves out of the one you have selected. The 3D feature works in AF-C and AF-S mode. Oh and Group AF is a way of designating a group of AF points instead of just one. This is used when the action is hot, like birds in flight, as you don't have to be as precise when aiming at the moving target. But once the camera has focused on the target it will use all AF points to track it.

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Mar 11, 2015 22:31:41   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
mcveed wrote:
Yes it is the way Nikons auto-focus in AF-C mode. What you are talking about if fine tuning the AF-C mode. By pushing the little button inside the MF-AF switch and turning the sub-command dial you can set 1, 9, 21, or 51 AF points that you can select as a focus point. The camera (D800) will use all 51 AF points to track a moving subject no matter where you set it. You can also select 3D which simply means that the camera will switch from one focus point to another if the subject moves out of the one you have selected. The 3D feature works in AF-C and AF-S mode. Oh and Group AF is a way of designating a group of AF points instead of just one. This is used when the action is hot, like birds in flight, as you don't have to be as precise when aiming at the moving target. But once the camera has focused on the target it will use all AF points to track it.
Yes it is the way Nikons auto-focus in AF-C mode. ... (show quote)


AF-C mode merely means that if you've pushed the shutter button halfway and the subject goes out of focus, the camera will continually seek focus, whereas in AF-S, once focus is obtained, if focus is lost, it will not seek focus again unless you release the shutter button and press it halfway again.

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Mar 12, 2015 01:00:17   #
Collie lover Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
I'll have to give it a try.

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Mar 12, 2015 03:24:19   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
SteveR wrote:
AF-C mode merely means that if you've pushed the shutter button halfway and the subject goes out of focus, the camera will continually seek focus, whereas in AF-S, once focus is obtained, if focus is lost, it will not seek focus again unless you release the shutter button and press it halfway again.


Suit yourself.

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Mar 12, 2015 09:29:02   #
tomcat
 
I gave BBF a try this am on my bird feeder with my Nikon D800. I now understand the principals behind holding the BBF button down to maintain continuous focus tracking when the subject is moving. Until the discussion yesterday, I did not know that you could hold this button down and achieve continuous focus. But as I mentioned yesterday, I can achieve sharper and faster results to me with AF-C and 51 points selected. Nikon goes into the old focus tracking mode and the focus follows the subject. In this case it was a squirrel. I did notice that focusing was much faster in this mode than when using the BBF method. So if you have a Nikon D800 try both techniques yourself and see which is faster for you. I don't know if Canon has this automatic focus tracking mode or not, so that may be why the Canon shooters swear by BBF. So my conclusion is to try both methods and choose which works better for you. I am grateful for this discussion yesterday and today because it reminded me of my Nikon's focus tracking function I first discovered 3 years ago. My senile mind had forgotten about this and I am happy again with my bird and squirrel shots. I have "rediscovered" simple point'n'shoot for my bird feeders. Thanks guys for all the honest and helpful insights. We kept it clean and civil, the way that real photographers are supposed to.

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Mar 12, 2015 11:31:52   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
tomcat wrote:
But as I mentioned yesterday, I can achieve sharper and faster results to me with AF-C and 51 points selected.


With AF-C and 51 points selected the camera focuses just as fast and just as accurately whether you use the shutter release half press or the AF-ON button to focus. Do you seriously think that most wildlife photographers would use BBF if the focus was slower and less accurate?

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Mar 12, 2015 11:42:25   #
tomcat
 
mcveed wrote:
With AF-C and 51 points selected the camera focuses just as fast and just as accurately whether you use the shutter release half press or the AF-ON button to focus. Do you seriously think that most wildlife photographers would use BBF if the focus was slower and less accurate?


Probably not, since both methods are equally as fast. . But for us Nikon shooters I still see no advantage in BBF 'ing, which was what my original question was.

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Mar 12, 2015 11:56:12   #
tjphxaz Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
kenleyen wrote:
HAVE HAD MY NIKON 300S FOR A A FEW YEARS AND NEVER CONSIDERED TAKING A/F OFF MY SHUTTER RELEASE I HAVE JUST DONE SO AND HAVE READ THE ARTICLE THAT BIGWOLF40 REFERS TO.
QUITE A REVELATION! I WILL TRY THIS FOR A WEEK OR MORE...


THANX


For sports, action, wildlife once you are used to BBF you won't go back. If you are shooting with image stabilization (VR) remember that pushing the shutter release halfway will engage the VR so a slight pause before the full press will allow VR to stabilize with less chance for vibration affecting the image.

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Mar 12, 2015 13:32:36   #
jaddottart Loc: Florida
 
GENTLEMEN:
I thank you one and all for you're knowledge and response...

JOE.

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Mar 12, 2015 14:40:46   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
tomcat wrote:
Probably not, since both methods are equally as fast. . But for us Nikon shooters I still see no advantage in BBF 'ing, which was what my original question was.


Fine. If, after reading all of this thread, watching the video, and trying it out, you still don't see the advantage, then I guess it isn't for you. Cheers.

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