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Feb 22, 2015 01:24:50   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
Jim, don't take this personally because you've done a nice job with what you had.

But for Apaflo: ARE YOU BLIND OR STUPID OR BOTH?
There is no way in hell you can believe there's a disconnect between the OP's first image's clear shot and the continuous blur leading up to it!

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Feb 22, 2015 02:09:00   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
OddJobber wrote:
Jim, don't take this personally because you've done a nice job with what you had.

But for Apaflo: ARE YOU BLIND OR STUPID OR BOTH?
There is no way in hell you can believe there's a disconnect between the OP's first image's clear shot and the continuous blur leading up to it!

Maybe I actually did look at the image, eh? The disconnect is clear in virtually all of Nagawan's similar images, and is fairly distinct in the image in question.

http://apaflo.com/misc/out1.jpg http://apaflo.com/misc/out2.jpg


Show us any indication in even one of these images where the sequence image is continuous with the sharp/single image. All of them were done with stacked layers in an editor. The two at the top on the left side use a "sequence" image made with one long exposure, but it is different than the dancer. In the others the sequence is made of several exposures, some long enough to allow blur and some not. The single shot that is out of sequence is not even part of the same dance movement and was in each case shot separately and probably not in the continuous mode used for the others.

Here is a link to two images of a dancer on stage shot with a stobe using rear curtain sync.

http://shutterstopphotography.com/rear-curtain

Are you actually unable to distinguish the difference?

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Feb 22, 2015 08:58:44   #
Carl 383 Loc: Southampton UK
 
Apaflo wrote:
He did nail it. He used exactly the same technique as in the original picture that he asked about. You can't do that using rear curtain flash and get the disconnect between the sequence and the sharp image of the dancer.

Just for grins and giggles, here's another proof positive. This was strictly intended to duplicate the original example's style by using the image created by the OP. There of course can't be rear flash sync, and nobody can reproduce this specific style by using rear flash sync. It is all done with manipulation of multiple images.
He did nail it. He used exactly the same techniqu... (show quote)


It is nothing like the original photo.

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Feb 22, 2015 09:05:05   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Carl 383 wrote:
It is nothing like the original photo.

Oh, right. The dancer is younger. Colors are red instead of blue.

But the question is "How is this done" and the two images were made in exactly the same way. That is the point.

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Feb 22, 2015 09:11:19   #
Carl 383 Loc: Southampton UK
 
Apaflo wrote:
Oh, right. The dancer is younger. Colors are red instead of blue.

But the question is "How is this done" and the two images were made in exactly the same way. That is the point.


The blurring is nowhere like the original photo.
The fact that you trivialise the differences indicates where you are coming from, then the de facto statement that the images were made in exactly the same way is just nonsense.

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Feb 22, 2015 09:55:08   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Carl 383 wrote:
The blurring is nowhere like the original photo.
The fact that you trivialise the differences indicates where you are coming from, then the de facto statement that the images were made in exactly the same way is just nonsense.

They were made the same way, in every sense that counts.

Yes, the blur is different, but so what? That is of no significance at all! The blur is different in every image by Mr Nagawan too. It isn't something we can, or want, to duplicate exactly. Same with using the exact same stage and the exact same lights and the exact same dancers! Nagawan's images don't even use the exact same process for the "sequence" part!

But they are all at least somewhat blurred, usually by motion but not always. In that manner the original and the followup images are exactly the same. The fact that the blur turns out different is much the same as the color being different.

The nonsense is in saying they are not done the same, and in particular continuing the claim that rear curtain sync has anything at all to do with the OP's image by Mr. Nagawan or with any of the similar images from Mr. Nagawan that have been posted here.

The question was "How is this done?", and that is indeed an example of how it was done! Multiple exposures layered in an editor. Not with flash using rear curtain sync.

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Feb 22, 2015 13:15:27   #
bkellyusa Loc: Nashville, TN
 
Jim,

Do you know who the photographer is or can you direct me to the website where you got this and maybe I can figure it out. I love this photo. It's beautiful.

Thanks in advance.




Brian

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Feb 22, 2015 13:41:58   #
lowkick Loc: Connecticut
 
Apaflo wrote:
They were made the same way, in every sense that counts.

Yes, the blur is different, but so what? That is of no significance at all! The blur is different in every image by Mr Nagawan too. It isn't something we can, or want, to duplicate exactly. Same with using the exact same stage and the exact same lights and the exact same dancers! Nagawan's images don't even use the exact same process for the "sequence" part!

But they are all at least somewhat blurred, usually by motion but not always. In that manner the original and the followup images are exactly the same. The fact that the blur turns out different is much the same as the color being different.

The nonsense is in saying they are not done the same, and in particular continuing the claim that rear curtain sync has anything at all to do with the OP's image by Mr. Nagawan or with any of the similar images from Mr. Nagawan that have been posted here.

The question was "How is this done?", and that is indeed an example of how it was done! Multiple exposures layered in an editor. Not with flash using rear curtain sync.
They were made the same way, in every sense that c... (show quote)


This should put an end to this nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlQhsFXZSmI
and
http://www.vonwong.com/blog/filler/

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Feb 22, 2015 13:52:13   #
lifenprism Loc: Upstate S.C.
 
lowkick wrote:


lowkick, that was my answer from the beginning but Apaflo will never admit he was wrong so this will go on far a bit longer because of that very reason

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Feb 22, 2015 14:04:49   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
lifenprism wrote:
lowkick, that was my answer from the beginning but Apaflo will never admit he was wrong so this will go on far a bit longer because of that very reason

The images on those two websites make it very clear that the images by Mr Nagawan are not done using rear curtain sync.

The question is not how to have blur terminate in a sharp image. That is what rear curtain sync can do.

The question is how did Mr Nagawan produce his images. He didn't use rear curtain sync!

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Feb 22, 2015 14:15:00   #
lowkick Loc: Connecticut
 
lifenprism wrote:
lowkick, that was my answer from the beginning but Apaflo will never admit he was wrong so this will go on far a bit longer because of that very reason


It was also my answer from the beginning. I don't know why some people won't just admit they were wrong, learn from it, then go on with their lives.

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Feb 22, 2015 14:22:33   #
lifenprism Loc: Upstate S.C.
 
lowkick wrote:
It was also my answer from the beginning. I don't know why some people won't just admit they were wrong, learn from it, then go on with their lives.


If you will go and read some of the other 1900+ comments he has made in the past, you can see a pattern. Doesn't matter if he is wrong, he's going to continue. Perhaps not enough attention when he was a child. Who knows? The pattern shows either he's just looking for attention or just your typical, run of the mill, forum troll.

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Feb 22, 2015 14:42:48   #
bkellyusa Loc: Nashville, TN
 
bkellyusa wrote:
Jim,

Do you know who the photographer is or can you direct me to the website where you got this and maybe I can figure it out. I love this photo. It's beautiful.

Thanks in advance.



Jim,

I apologize for not getting up to present time on this topic and not realizing that the original photographer had already been named.

I'll do better next time.




Brian


Brian

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Feb 22, 2015 19:21:26   #
Carl 383 Loc: Southampton UK
 
lowkick wrote:


Thanks lowkick, it confirms what a few of us (who have actually produced similar results) have been saying all along. I wish I had kept the images I got with my T90 and 300TL back in the mid to late '80's but back then I considered what I had shot had turned out wrong so I trashed them. Little did I know I was producing "works of art" :) :) :)

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Apr 23, 2015 09:58:09   #
EE
 
as, a guess? would say it was probably taken with a focal plane shutter, it has a moving slit travel across the film. and the dance r jumped or what ever, while the slit was traveling across the film. and there was enough ambient light to record the "ghost", then when the move was finished, a flash was fired to freeze the finial position? blurred image! this, is one way it could have been done, but now with electronic photography, things are different! ( i once took a picture of my had on fire!, (and no one believed it was real!) i was a kid, and dipped my hand in running alcohol, then lit i! stupid, but a very impressive picture! my instructor at the time a renounced photographer said i had the right spirit!, what ever it takes to get a good picture!

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