Pitcairn Guy Loc: Novato, CA

Thank you for your input. I have used Shutterfly in the past. The problem is they do not offer glossy paper so the photos do not pop and blurb seems to be capable of at least 4 times more pages than Shutterfly. I have already transferred all the pictures to digital, it took almost a year to go through each one and clean them up.

DrDave Loc: Xcalak, Mexico

Glenn is dead-on-the-money!! Protect the photo's entrusted to you at all costs..not just to thwart any potential legal problems, but to insure the historical properties. I know that you know all this..just wanted to "shake my finger at you!! (LOL)..and make sure you do it!. Best of luck..sounds like a wonderful project. I'd buy it!!

Pitcairn Guy Loc: Novato, CA

Thank you, I am in possession of the originals and they are safe. When I get back from Pitcairn in May I will start to put the book together and when it is done I will mention it here.

cmge Loc: Arkansas

I use Booksmart/Blurb for all of my family and travel books and have nothing but praise for the company. I put the books together myself and there was a learning curve on the first one. They also have people who will compose, I believe. No problem mixing photos and text and many layouts available. Good luck.

Joyfullee Loc: South FL

Just wanted to let you know that there is a difference between the words: rouge and rogue. You may want to alter your website name.

westernlifestyles Loc: NV

You might go to your local college for some input. Many of their photography labs are equipped with high quality scanners and you may find someone interested in helping you out, or you may have to enroll in a class to be qualified to use their lab. If you could get the precious images scanned to a clean digital res you would be able to navigate your task with less risk. Best wishes, WSL

Seaedb

Another option is to look for a University with a good history department and who also publishes books. If it is something of interest to the university it is a good way to publish such books. If you were by chance an alumni from such a university it also helps. One obstacle will be the size. I helped lay out a 1000 page genealogy book, and there was lots of interest from genealogy publishers until they learned the size. I am now considering self publishing. Your project sounds like a wonderful project. Stick with it.

counpsych

I sent some old (1950-1970) film prints to ScanDigital and was very pleased with the work they did. They put them on dvds and returned the originals and the dvds in a very short period of time. The quality of some pics that had suffered fading with time was improved beyond what I thought would be possible. I plan to use them for a family photo book.

foxpawpress Loc: Duluth, MN

Hi: Great photos and subject! You have a book in the making IMO, but as I'm avoiding doing something more productive myself, at the moment, here are some tips to make the project more professional and more publishable, whether you self-publish or find a publisher: Think about editing the 1400 shots down to 100, or 60. You have the same problem I had shooting Hawaii--every scene is so scenic, it's hard to winnow them down. How many shots of palm trees on the beach is too many? Actually, more than one, unless there is something unique and interesting about the others!

You have far too many of the island from a distance, and far too many of hilltops which are all beautiful, but not particularly distinctive in most cases. Some are unique, and those are the ones to use.

I'm a bit confused about your comment about "vintage photos." I don't see any photos you've posted which would be from the 1800's--they didn't have color at that time!

Most look quite contemporary. If you have some earlier photos that's great.

My comments are with regard to the contemporary photos, which is I assume, the photos posted here. Of course with older photos, it would be difficult or impossible to reshoot them.

Start by selecting the best one of each topic--I saw 50 of the island--getting bigger, getting smaller--#1205 had dramatic color separation in the water, and was far more interesting than any of the others--look for the best one, with something special to offer.

People eating--there was one shot of the people I loved for the composition, as they were gathered into a tight circle, and the food was colorful, but the entire shot was out of focus, which makes that shot unusable. But you're making another trip, and can set up a similar shot that will work: Use fill flash, a high ISO and a high f stop if you need to, and recreate that shot; Take along a second slave flash if you can afford it; it might make all the difference in lighting some of the inside photos.

On the boats--lots of shots, but there was no specific focus to hold my interest in the photos of the boats filled with people--get close to one interesting guy--maybe the captain steering the boat, or someone hauling in a sail, or otherwise at work, or the guy with all the necklaces, and get that person cropped close in the foreground looking off to sea, with the other people in the back ground, using a wide angle, to get in as many of the people and as much of the boat as possible.

Or you can use some feature of the ship to provide a foreground--a life bouy, for example, or a chair with an umbrella--something you can move to create your foreground is always a plus. Position someone where you want them, if you need to. Use some of the preliminary photos as studies for more polished more dramatic shots. If you can't reshoot it, it would try taking the best one--maybe with the two boats crossing, and crop it more tightly.

Pick one of the dock coming in, pick one with a boat full of people going out. That's enough of the dock, believe me.

Take the artifacts out of the cases, and group them on a suitable neutral background--maybe sand. It looks like there are several categories of artifacts, and I think you could get separate shots of each group of like objects. I like the one with a girl holding a stone in each hand. There's another nice one of a man holding a piece of metal--from the ship, I presume--it's a close-up, with just his hands in the photo--it works nicely.

Be brutal in editing--I liked the guy in the red shirt climbing, but get him closer to the lens, let us see his face, but stage it if need be--he's working hard to climb and shouldn't be smiling, maybe grabbing onto a rock, and use a wide lens to get the background with a a high f stop and a sharp shot with depth of field. If it can't be re-shot, consider cropping it more tightly.

Use ONE wave splashing on the rocks--we've all seen millions of waves.

I love the hermit crab, but pick only one, or two, if you can get him doing something interesting. Consider giving it some extra angle for better dramatic effect. There's one that would work as is. If you want to try for a more dramatic shot, try to catch him climbing from the sand onto a rock. Also, did you know that hermit crabs change out their shells as they grow? They frequently will try on a new shell if one is provided for them, as I've discovered with my own aquarium.

Try putting a new shell about the same size near the crab, and if you're lucky, you can get a shot of him trying out a new "home." They are quite vulnerable when switching shells, so they'll do it fast; you have to be set up and ready. Maybe for safety, they'll only do it in the water. Try setting up a shot in shallow water. Shots like that take time and patience, but give you something special, which makes it worth your time.

The two young guys in the bow of the boat are really great--look for photos like that, which tell more than one part of the story. You've got two local guys relaxing, and enjoying being on the boat.

I like the guy with all of the native necklaces--that's great by itself. I also like the couple kissing, but would consider a re-do with a gentle kiss if possible, or if you could get them dancing cheek to cheek, even better. No rules against staging a shot!

No photos of kids making faces, mugging--those are vacation snapshots.

Happy people are fine doing happy things like eating or socializing. Edit out all the ones of the friendly guy with his hands in the air--the best shot of him is going to be one with him DOING something purposeful, and not smiling. He's photogenic, but put him to work!

Pick one sign--if it is the one with miles to distant places, that's OK, but I would find it more interesting to see a local one--I like the guy with the sign, but pose him maybe with folded arms--we can see the sign is there--it's trite to have him pointing at it.

Use ONE sunset per scene--if you have two or three great sunsets of different locations, that's OK, but pick the best of the best. And what about a sunrise? Look for mist; look for rainy weather, different moods.

If the little boat is being pulled aboard the big boat--is that the point?--get on the boat, and get a close up of the boarding with someone hauling the boat on-board, or helping people to board, in the foreground, using a very wide angle lens to emphasize his arms and encompass the rest of the scene.

That whole series is too far away; the boats need to be much closer--if you need to, get in a boat yourself, and get a close dramatic wide-angle shot. You probably need to find a way to waterproof your camera to accomplish such shots--you can do a lot with zip-lock bags and rubber bands, fairly cheaply.

There are a few great close-ups of kids. Be sure to get signed releases and names for all the people you photograph, except for outside crowd scenes--gotta have them, although it is a pain.

Birds: use a long lens, get close enough to show detail, good lighting, a good gliding shot would be nice, or especially a shot landing, where you can see the feathers working, and some land in the photo to anchor the picture, unless the bird is really spectacular on its own--the ones shown look too much like snapshots. Use them as inspiration for your upcoming trip to improve on the shots you will ultimately publish.

Surely there is more than one species of bird on the island? Take the time to shoot more species--you may need a blind, if they're really shy--use bait--a fish on the dock will do it, if they're not shy and used to people fishing from the dock, to get close-ups of a few other species.

Usually when fishermen are cleaning their fish, there will be plenty of birds hanging around looking for a hand-out. This is where your fast-action multiple shot feature of the camera can come in handy. Shoot a burst, in good sunlight, and you're likely to get at least one great shot. If birds hang around the dock to fish on their own, wait around and you could get a series of a shorebird hunting, striking and then swallowing a fish whole!

ONE shot of the dock with a boat leaving is plenty. Getting in front of the boat, and shooting from another boat could give you a more dramatic shot.

Use only the most dramatic shots of the island from the water, and the most historic. You must have a few dozen, which are a few dozen too many. I like the shots from the airplane, but again, one is enough. What's the line running off the stern of the boat? Fishing line? Get a shot of them bringing in the fish! A shot of a fish fry with people gathered close-in, wide-angle, would be a great opportunity to get the community shot you need.

Two or three of the cemetery, as some are of important historic interest, and only ONE of the petroglyphs--if you MUST do more than one, give us a close-up shot for the second one of a feature not otherwise well seen.

Getting the shots of the people on the boats is a great way to show the people, but find a way, again, to frame the shot or give it a point of interest. Shoot between two people holding hands, for example, or else get the people doing something more organized--a group hauling in fish with a net, for example. Maybe it's just me, but the photos you have with a group of people on deck looks too chaotic. Having the two boats passing helps.

If you can re-shoot, with most everyone on one boat, looking toward the other, some of them engaged with work to keep the boats apart, or pull them together would help give focus. Solve the problem in your own way, but give it more focus, if only by cropping it tighter.

What are the shots of the pit about? The shots you have aren't working. Get in tight, and focus on one piece up close, maybe a native holding a piece, or squatting just at the edge of the pit, holding one and examining it, facing toward or to the side of the camera, but not looking at the camera, to tighten up the shot, with the other pieces in the background, if it is historically significant; make it look like more than clutter.

Woman writing--is she cataloguing artifacts? Pose her with a group of artifacts, if only two or three, and get in tighter--use a wide angle to get a little of the white clapboard surrounding her, as it does add a sense of place, but right now, it lacks drama. Get a good sharp shot of her face, and the artifacts surrounding her--use fill flash if you need to, or back-lighting to make it dramatic, but with good detail of her face. Shoot from at least the side, if not in front of her--consider whether you can shoot from outside, through the window.

If there are people in the photos, make them more about the people, with better composition, looking for unusual angles, and think about what best captures the personality of the subject.

I like the wooden fish--who carved them? A photo of the guy carving, or even pretending to be putting in a finishing touch with a knife could help. Or at least get closer to the subject--with either a long lens or a ladder, or take them off the wall (if possible.)

Photos which show the front of an ATV and a trail look too much like vacation snapshots--get on either the front or the back ATV, and get a photo of a group in the foreground, or from the front or the side. Get them to slow down if needed, as you can't shoot and hold on at the same time! But, again, make it about both the people and the scenery--use it as a foreground for one of the spectacular scenes.

One of the avocado(?)--better to have the guy cutting the avocado open, surrounded by people seated and waiting to eat makes more sense, or alternatively, harvesting it would also work--and if so, best if you take a ladder, and shoot from above. WORK the scenes.

At the cemetery, have a native cleaning a stone, or kneeling and praying, or laying flowers, or an offering, at the stone of an ancestor, depending on what are the local customs; not leaning on a stone, as though it is a hitching post, and not looking at the camera. Cemeteries are sacred sites. I don't get that feeling from the current photos.

Consider a shot in the early morning with long shadows, maybe with luck, there will be fog or a little mist.

You have great shots of some of the buildings--one seems to be a church--can you get a photo of a religious service? A minister or priest opening the doors, looking out (but not at the camera) with the church framed around him would be awesome. I know that's probably asking too much--but would be great if it is still a church where worship is held.

Those photos with a focus on the exteriors are among the best, and even better are the shots looking out from the buildings--again, you get more information--the building style and the scenery.

Film early in the day and late in the day for mood shots, to add more drama, when you can get some long shadows, using fill flash if needed. Consider a few night photos as well; bring your tripod. Watch for the full moon, and where and what time it rises--you could get a spectacular shot from the right position, at the right time.

Do these guys have favorite games? Get them playing a native game, whether dice or cards or a ball game--doing something besides standing by an anchor. CLEANING or polishing the canon would be better than standing by the canon. Maybe two people polishing it, one on each side, to take it from a snapshot to a photo with a story.

Have them sitting in close, leaning in, to crop tighter, and shoot from the end; try a wide angle close up from the end, stopped down to f16 or f22 with lots of light, if possible, to get good depth of field, and sharp focus of the people.

Do they play music, or dance? The kissing couple: doing a slow dance with a close-up, getting the detail of the necklaces would be even better than the kiss.

Can you shoot a wedding or an anniversary? Or is there a time when they dress in costume for re-enactments? Walt Disney did a one hour video in the 1940's of "The American Eskimo" in Hooper Bay, Alaska, and got them all to wear native costumes; the local church allowed them to make masks (which had been forbidden) and dance just for the film. It was completely staged, but historic and invaluable as a documentary, because these people still remembered.

Your people with modern clothing are OK if that's all they wear--just trying to give you more ideas.

The photos of the cave and passageways might benefit by adding people going through them, not for every scene, but some; have someone bring a lantern----try it both ways--and keep the people focused on the scenery, and away from the camera.

You have a lot of shots that are great just the way they are; you need in some cases nothing else; in others, maybe crop in a little tighter--although I think I've been accused of cropping too tightly. Your series has too few close-ups--it will be more interesting if you have more of a mix.

And with what you have, at least half of the project or more is spectacular just as it is; get rid of the dozens of scenes of mountain or hill tops that don't say anything, except, here's another pretty hilltop. Some of the unusual rock formations are great just as they are; but don't give us more than one of each, and even then, maybe pick only the best, and give us half as many.

There must be more native flowers--get as many close-ups as possible of flowers, and mix them in with other scenic shots. There must be butterflies and bees--getting a few with the flowers would be more exciting. Also, a little girl or two, posed with or picking flowers, is a little hokey, but it will work, if you want to add more variety with flower photos.

If you can find a publisher, great--go to the bookstore, or go on-line and you will find probably a few dozen possible publishers. However, the publishing business is changing dramatically. Meredith, in Des Moines, Iowa, used to do a lot of table-top books, but closed their whole table top division, which tells you something about the way publishing is going!

If you don't find a publisher, these days, with the web, anyone with a few thousand dollars can self-publish; you will have to be prepared to market the book--marketing can be varied--from advertising on the web, to local bookstores, to contacting big publishers, or attempt to peddle the finished book to one of the big chains.

You can always start with a small first edition, and print more if you can build a market, or get a publisher to print more--they may be able to get a better discounted deal, to cut publishing costs. I've seen books published in Taiwan, lately--maybe they are one of the most cost-effective sources.

There's a site on-line--a clearing-house of sorts--to match buyers with main land Chinese manufacturers. You simply specify in as much detail as possible--how many pages, what kind of paper, what size the book should be, etc., the typeface and amount of text, an idea of the layout-- and various manufacturers will contact you and quote a price for the project. I would ask for references and at least one copy of a published book to check the quality of their work, but it is one way to get an inexpensive publisher. If the price seems high, ask about what could be done to cut the cost to one more in your price range.

Or, you can go the other way, potentially, and make it a limited edition book with fine marbled endplates and even leather binding, working with a private press in the States or the UK. Advertise on Briar Press for a private press that might be interested. Check with University presses, art and design schools with Graphic design programs, or "Art of the Book" programs too. It's just a thought. You may or may not find someone receptive to the idea.

You will want to add well-written copy. And check carefully to make sure it is historically accurate. Consider whether you're writing anything which could be libelous and if so, run it past a lawyer....Spending $200 to $300 in advance could save big $$$ liability later. Get copies of previously published history of the expedition for checking facts; from the library if you can! Consider adding a few historic maps for completeness. Again, for the map, maybe you can reproduce one which is off-copyright (anything pre-1900 is safe). Or, if you want something extra, advertise for a cartographer with Briar Press (they're on line, you can type in Briar Press on Google, and find the site.) Or just do a search for cartographers.

If you can't write, find someone to write it for you, or at least hire an editor. You don't need a lot of copy--probably 3,000 to 5,000 words would do it. My critique is probably longer than that.

Take detailed notes, with the names and what's going on, for each photograph. If someone else does the writing, they can't divine that information. YOU have to supply it; and the more detail, the better. Full name, (correctly spelled!) of anyone in a close-up, or portrait, is a must. For contemporary photos, signed dated release giving permission to publish is a must for all portraits and close-ups, unless the person photographed is deceased; still try to get a release from the next-of-kin, especially if the photo is of a child; you want to avoid a lawsuit for invasion of privacy later! Get parents to sign the releases for children. Don't ask the children, as the release must be from their parents.

If people are reluctant to sign, be persuasive but respectful; point out that this will preserve their memory for all time.

Showing respect, and taking great care with facts and details will go a long way toward gaining cooperation with the most reluctant subjects. If someone still balks, after you have respectfully tried everything, give up gracefully. Give them your card, in case they change their mind, but realize not everyone will cooperate. You must preserve your integrity with the whole group, and cannot do that without respect for each individual.

Name the boats, the harbor, the dock, the inlets; special rock formations probably all have local names. If you want them detailed on a map, you must supply that information, correctly spelled and located, for the cartographer. Name the cemetery and the church, and any public buildings, for the private homes, the last names of the owners. Name the beaches, name everything that has a name! The species of birds, flowers, fruit, the artifacts and what they were used for, if known. Dates of historical importance; write down the inscriptions from headstones that are pictured. Document everything you can.

Study a typical National Geographic story to see how many words is in one of their photo-journalism main spreads, to get a better idea. Go to the library, check the Smithsonian and National Geographic, to get the names of a few dozen free-lance writers who might be interested in the project, as another way to find a writer. Look also at writers who free-lance for the airline industry magazines. Maybe one of the local islanders can write and is willing to write the copy--if so, all the better!

Hope this helps, and that I haven't offended you with my critique. Rachel Scott/Fox Paw Press

suznmari Loc: Woodstock, IL

Amazing opportunity and story! Just do it!!!

Bartulius Loc: Bristol, Ct

I'm a writer who has done much research on types of publication.
Self publication basically means you pay $$ up front and become a one person operation, finding a printer, doing sales & marketing,distribution, graphics, paying taxes, et al, unless you pay more $$ to have someone else do it. Investigate customer feedback before you sign a contract !!!
Buyer beware !!!
Traditional publishers may have a long list(backlog) waiting.Print publication is in flux right now. So are bookstores. You may also want to find an agent to help with publication-- More expense.
My advice is contact a sucessful coffee table book author and copy their procedure.
There may also be a market for web publishing of your book. Lots of people now use E-readers.
If you are doing this for friends and family, print on demand may be best for you.

foxpawpress Loc: Duluth, MN

Hi again--I re-read the posts, and gather that the photos you plan to publish are photos taken by the descendants of the mutineers and not the ones you took and posted here. You might want to confine yourself to the historical photos, but you have so many great photos you've taken that I think it would add to the project to include the best of your own photos. Sorry I misunderstood.

The comment about the difference between rouge and rogue makes an important point. No matter how good a writer is, we ALL needed editing! I think the comments about university publishers are very helpful. To cut to the chase, you might start by writing to the Harry Ransom Center, which is a part of the University of Texas, Austin, and apply for a fellowship or grant for this project. Contact Margie Rine, Associate Director for Development, Harry Ransom Center, PO Drawer 7219, University of Texas at Austin, Austin, TX 78713, email: margierine@mail.utexas.edu, and tell her Rachel Scott suggested you write to her about this. I've donated my father's miniature book collection to them, and also steered another miniature book collection their way. In addition to having 2 million books (!) among other collections, they have an extensive collection of historic photos, from the works of David Douglas Duncan to Walker Percy, and I think they might very well jump at the opportunity to add these to their collection!

Good luck. A very worth-while project. I think the most critical information you need to concentrate on is getting documentation as accurately as possible about the names of the people in the historic photos, the names of the places, inscriptions on the cemetery stones, names of everything you can document! I will send Margie a note, and alert her to your project--I think it is very highly collectible, and another plus is that the original photos could be preserved by professional conservators at the Ransom Center. Copies could be made of the originals and sent to Pitcairn Island, in addition to the published book that results, if this idea works out, and is acceptable to the Pitcairn people.
Best of luck; Rachel Scott/Fox Paw Press

Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio

I've written a book and a publisher wanted all the profits until they were completely covered, then money would come to me. It looked like that would have taken a few years of sales before getting anything in return, so I did not go down that route. A publisher will hit you with very large expenses for everything they do regarding your book, from every phone call, e-mail, letter sent etc.

After all that you will still need to print the books in the thousands to get a decent selling price out of it and that is a huge amount of money to layout in the hope that someone will want to buy it.

Your best bet is still going to be Blurb and include a number of images on a page in a well designed layout and then if you order in bulk, you will get a better book price but if you order one at a time, you have a higher per book price but absolutely no layout costs and they print one book at a time as and when it is ordered.

There is no cheap way around this. Paper is expensive and book printing is expensive and individual book pricing is costly per book. Now when you print 100,000 copies then the per book price is low but who has that money and who would think 100,000 people may buy the book.

rexxal

Can you post some of the older photos?

Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.

Your photos tell a great story. Thanks for shareing. Wow!