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Dec 25, 2014 07:55:10   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
Wellhiem wrote:
If we answered every question with "Because it's God's will", we'd still be banging the rocks together. "I don't know", is a far more usefull answer, because it gives motivation to find out.


Saying it is "God's Will" is accepting the situation that we are in - saying I don't know means just that, you don't know but answering with It's God's Will & I don't know is also a Cop Out especially when you do know and when you know it may not be God's Will.

James is saying that when it comes to debatable scripture, instead of giving an honest logical answer that is your understanding of scripture, I am to say - I don't know. Sorry, but if I do know then saying, I don't know is unacceptable.

Now, I could say, I wasn't there but here is my understanding of that scripture - take the 6 day creation debate that God created the Earth. The Bible also says that a day is as a thousand years to the Lord God. Also, the word 'day' in Hebrew also means a period of time as well as a 24 hour day. If I say it will take me a day to go from here to there does not necessarily mean 24 hours - but a period of time. There, I presented a logical answer to a very difficult question without saying, I don't know. Why? Because I put a lot of study into this debate, even though you may not agree, I have given you something to think about.

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Dec 25, 2014 09:29:29   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
Wellhiem wrote:
If we answered every question with "Because it's God's will", we'd still be banging the rocks together. "I don't know", is a far more usefull answer, because it gives motivation to find out.


Spot on as they say over your way Wellhiem. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Dec 25, 2014 09:42:08   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Saying it is "God's Will" is accepting the situation that we are in - saying I don't know means just that, you don't know but answering with It's God's Will & I don't know is also a Cop Out especially when you do know and when you know it may not be God's Will.

James is saying that when it comes to debatable scripture, instead of giving an honest logical answer that is your understanding of scripture, I am to say - I don't know. Sorry, but if I do know then saying, I don't know is unacceptable.

Now, I could say, I wasn't there but here is my understanding of that scripture - take the 6 day creation debate that God created the Earth. The Bible also says that a day is as a thousand years to the Lord God. Also, the word 'day' in Hebrew also means a period of time as well as a 24 hour day. If I say it will take me a day to go from here to there does not necessarily mean 24 hours - but a period of time. There, I presented a logical answer to a very difficult question without saying, I don't know. Why? Because I put a lot of study into this debate, even though you may not agree, I have given you something to think about.
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That's sure a long way around the block Bangee. The problem is Bangee, your answer is not logical. One cannot answer an illogical question with a logical answer. That is unless the answer given is, "I don't know". Which is also a truthful answer. The bible narrates many fairy tales. There is no logic to apply to mysteries of fantasy .

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Dec 25, 2014 09:48:20   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
SteveR wrote:
Croce, I haven't seen you in awhile. I was afraid you had died. Now I fear that you may be back from the grave to haunt us again!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

Wow, Croce and Rix on the same page!! I thought this was Christmas, not Halloween when the ghouls come out!!
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

BTW....Have a good Thursday!! 8-) 8-) 8-)


Good morning Steve and thanks for the good wishes and concern. No need to be concerned though Steve. Haven't you heard? Croce always was and Croce always will be. Says so in the Crible. Book 1 Chapter 1 Verse 1 of the Crocerian Crible. :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Dec 25, 2014 10:01:36   #
TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails
 
Merry Christmas everyone.

And may God shower you with his love as we celebrate the birth of his son Jesus the Christ.

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Dec 25, 2014 10:45:26   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Croce wrote:
Spot on as they say over your way Wellhiem. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


Happy Holidays, Croce…Where the hell have you been, man??

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Dec 25, 2014 11:27:33   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
wilpharm wrote:
Happy Holidays, Croce…Where the hell have you been, man??


Happies to too Wil. I just decided there were many more interesting and rewarding things to do than banter back and forth here all day. Too much of anything is not good. However, there are positives to this forum such as parrying with idiots and sharing good thoughts and knowledge with the non idiots. You are in the latter group of course as are the majority who appear here. :D

Do you guys do Black Eyes for New Years Day? (Wonder how many race card dealers will jump on that one? ) Pewter, Pewter, sorry, I mean Silver, where for art thou?

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Dec 25, 2014 11:45:31   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
Croce wrote:
Happies to too Wil. I just decided there were many more interesting and rewarding things to do than banter back and forth here all day. Too much of anything is not good. However, there are positives to this forum such as parrying with idiots and sharing good thoughts and knowledge with the non idiots. You are in the latter group of course as are the majority who appear here. :D

Do you guys do Black Eyes for New Years Day? (Wonder how many race card dealers will jump on that one? ) Pewter, Pewter, sorry, I mean Silver, where for art thou?
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Yup, we do the blackeyes for luck…althought I think most of your good luck is self-created…
would love to see you back here..Im sure twardlow & rixie & ole sarge miss you too…..Havent seen much of ole sarge lately, tho….dang..

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Dec 25, 2014 11:49:16   #
James Shaw
 
jjwright71 wrote:
hope all you'all on UHH have a good xmas ,just chill and enjoy ,so to every one ,have a GOODN ,HAR!
Great advise clock man. Thank you, and you too have a Goodn.

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Dec 25, 2014 11:59:42   #
James Shaw
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Saying it is "God's Will" is accepting the situation that we are in - saying I don't know means just that, you don't know but answering with It's God's Will & I don't know is also a Cop Out especially when you do know and when you know it may not be God's Will.

James is saying that when it comes to debatable scripture, instead of giving an honest logical answer that is your understanding of scripture, I am to say - I don't know. Sorry, but if I do know then saying, I don't know is unacceptable.

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Wellhiem wrote:
If we answered every question with "Because it's God's will", we'd still be banging the rocks together. "I don't know", is a far more usefull answer, because it gives motivation to find out.
Now, I could say, I wasn't there but here is my understanding of that scripture - take the 6 day creation debate that God created the Earth. The Bible also says that a day is as a thousand years to the Lord God. Also, the word 'day' in Hebrew also means a period of time as well as a 24 hour day. If I say it will take me a day to go from here to there does not necessarily mean 24 hours - but a period of time. There, I presented a logical answer to a very difficult question without saying, I don't know. Why? Because I put a lot of study into this debate, even though you may not agree, I have given you something to think about.
Saying it is "God's Will" is accepting t... (show quote)
Despite all of your rhetoric, Bangee, much of what you claim "you know" when interpreting Scripture, you do not know, either, as there is no way of knowing for sure.

It just boils down to what you believe or want to believe. To say otherwise is being dishonest, and the last person you should lie to is yourself.

Saying that you know is quite different from saying "I wasn't there but here is my understanding of scripture." That would be a better approach I would think.

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Dec 26, 2014 09:23:14   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Saying it is "God's Will" is accepting the situation that we are in - saying I don't know means just that, you don't know but answering with It's God's Will & I don't know is also a Cop Out especially when you do know and when you know it may not be God's Will.

James is saying that when it comes to debatable scripture, instead of giving an honest logical answer that is your understanding of scripture, I am to say - I don't know. Sorry, but if I do know then saying, I don't know is unacceptable.

Now, I could say, I wasn't there but here is my understanding of that scripture - take the 6 day creation debate that God created the Earth. The Bible also says that a day is as a thousand years to the Lord God. Also, the word 'day' in Hebrew also means a period of time as well as a 24 hour day. If I say it will take me a day to go from here to there does not necessarily mean 24 hours - but a period of time. There, I presented a logical answer to a very difficult question without saying, I don't know. Why? Because I put a lot of study into this debate, even though you may not agree, I have given you something to think about.
Saying it is "God's Will" is accepting t... (show quote)


I've always thought that "forty days and forty nights" was the Hebrew (or at least the biblical) expression for an unspecified period of time. I may be wrong, I don't know. Perhaps my not knowing is god's will, so I'd better not make the effort to find out.

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Dec 26, 2014 10:08:39   #
James Shaw
 
TrainNut wrote:
Merry Christmas everyone.

And may God shower you with his love as we celebrate the birth of his son Jesus the Christ.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Dec 26, 2014 10:29:55   #
James Shaw
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Saying it is "God's Will" is accepting the situation that we are in - saying I don't know means just that, you don't know but answering with It's God's Will & I don't know is also a Cop Out especially when you do know and when you know it may not be God's Will.

James is saying that when it comes to debatable scripture, instead of giving an honest logical answer that is your understanding of scripture, I am to say - I don't know. Sorry, but if I do know then saying, I don't know is unacceptable.

Now, I could say, I wasn't there but here is my understanding of that scripture - take the 6 day creation debate that God created the Earth. The Bible also says that a day is as a thousand years to the Lord God. Also, the word 'day' in Hebrew also means a period of time as well as a 24 hour day. If I say it will take me a day to go from here to there does not necessarily mean 24 hours - but a period of time. There, I presented a logical answer to a very difficult question without saying, I don't know. Why? Because I put a lot of study into this debate, even though you may not agree, I have given you something to think about.
Saying it is "God's Will" is accepting t... (show quote)
The big cop-out is saying it is God's will, when you don't know the answer to something, but wish you did.

You are actually blaming your God for your ignorance, and that, in my opinion, is blasphemy, as you were given a brain to be used for reason, not cop-out. Better to say, "I don't know" but would like to know the answer to that.

Making up an answer, when the answer is not known, is just expressing ignorance, not reason.

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Dec 26, 2014 10:52:32   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
Wellhiem wrote:
I've always thought that "forty days and forty nights" was the Hebrew (or at least the biblical) expression for an unspecified period of time. I may be wrong, I don't know. Perhaps my not knowing is god's will, so I'd better not make the effort to find out.


Hahahahahahaaha good one Wellhiem. ROFLMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Dec 26, 2014 10:55:34   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
James Shaw wrote:
The big cop-out is saying it is God's will, when you don't know the answer to something, but wish you did.

You are actually blaming your God for your ignorance, and that, in my opinion, is blasphemy, as you were given a brain to be used for reason, not cop-out. Better to say, "I don't know" but would like to know the answer to that.

Making up an answer, when the answer is not known, is just expressing ignorance, not reason.


Blasphemy! Oooooohhhh Jimmy, now dat be some serious sh ... you know what I mean. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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