Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
F-Stops Explained, No mystery about it!
Page <<first <prev 3 of 6 next> last>>
Mar 9, 2012 09:34:28   #
DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois
 
It finally clicked for me when I started thinking about f stops as fractions. i.e.
1/4 < 1/2 or 1/2 > 1/4. 4 being the biggest number is less than 2 when it's a fraction.

You're welcome. :-)

Reply
Mar 9, 2012 09:42:33   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
Histogram wrote:
good stuff... thanks for sharing. i wish there was more of this kind of thing on this site than banter about raw vs. jpg. or what is the best pc, or what is the best camera, etc... i'm so tired of all that crap. this is something i can use. i sure wish this site also had a better search feature. i'm afraid when i want to reference this, i'll be wading through hundreds of posts. i guess i'll have to just remember your screen name. again, thanks. please feel free to post more; i won't charge you. he he..

designpro wrote:
F-Stops...

I'll just dive in with this one!

If f-stops are a little confusing to you, you’re normal. Most photographers have difficulty with this and modern cameras make it more difficult.

This may not be an exciting subject, but is important to your success.

(The concept)
The idea is that if you open the aperture one f-stop, it allows twice as much light through. Likewise, if you close the aperture one f-stop it allows half as much light through. F-stops are designed to work with shutter speeds, which also use the same half or double concept.

(Optional scientific explanation)
In case you’re interested, the f-number system is not arbitrary. The f-number is the focal length divided by the diameter of the pupil (aperture). For example, a 100mm lens with a f-stop of f-4 will have a pupil (aperture) diameter of 25mm. A 135mm lens with a setting of f-4 will
have a pupil diameter of about 33.8. Both of these examples will produce the same luminance on the focal plane.
F-number = focal length / pupil diameter.

(How it works)
There are full stops and fractional stops. Here’s the range of Full Stops you’re likely to see:
1.0 ~ 1.4 ~ 2.0 ~ 2.8 ~ 4.0
5.6 ~ 8.0 ~ 11 ~ 16 ~ 22
32 ~ 45 ~ 64

These full-stops are standard and common to all lenses. Some lenses have a smaller range, but the numbers are always the same. The reason this is important is that they each allow either half or double the amount of light as the next full f-stop. For example, f-8 allows twice as much light as f-11, but only half as much as f-5.6.

The reason this is good to know is that they correspond to shutter speeds which are also half or double the next shutter speed. For example 1/125 second is half as long as 1/500 second, and 1/60 second is twice as long as 1/125 second. When you use studio lights or flashes, everything is divisible by 2 so you can do the math in your head quickly while you’re working. I know, you’re probably thinking “yeah right”.

(Why it’s confusing)
One thing that makes f-stops confusing is that almost all camera manufacturers show fractional stops. In other words, f-4 and one third is shown as f-4.5 instead of f-4 1/3. There’s no indication which are full stops and which are fractional stops. Confusing!

Fractional stops are of little use in learning lighting. You need to know which ones are full stops. Why? Just about everything you need to know about lighting is based on full stops.

Learning your f-stops is by far the least fun part of photography, but it will open the door to a whole new world once you do.

Now, wasn’t that Simple!
F-Stops... br br I'll just dive in with this one!... (show quote)
good stuff... thanks for sharing. i wish there was... (show quote)


Copy the text to a word document and then save to file.

Reply
Mar 9, 2012 09:45:30   #
Phyllis Loc: NE PA
 
[quote=Bridgeman]
designpro wrote:
F-Stops...

:thumbup: Good, concise explination. I find it helpful to think of F-stops in fractions. f/2 is 1/2, which means the shutter opens half way. f/4 is 1/4, the shutter open 1/4 of the way. f/8 = 1/8, and so on. Thought this might be helpful to some.


I think of f-stops as fractions, too, which in fact they really are. It makes perfect sense, and there is no confusion. One half is twice as big as one quarter, one quarter is twice as big as one eighth, etc.

Reply
Check out Bridge Camera Show Case section of our forum.
Mar 9, 2012 09:58:22   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Knowing the physics is neat but what is the effect of opening and shutting down f stops. You seem to have a way with words and you may want to explain that too.

Reply
Mar 9, 2012 12:03:53   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
Dietxanadu wrote:
designpro wrote:
F-Stops...

I'll just dive in with this one!

If f-stops are a little confusing to you, you’re normal. Most photographers have difficulty with this and modern cameras make it more difficult.

This may not be an exciting subject, but is important to your success.

(The concept)
The idea is that if you open the aperture one f-stop, it allows twice as much light through. Likewise, if you close the aperture one f-stop it allows half as much light through. F-stops are designed to work with shutter speeds, which also use the same half or double concept.

(Optional scientific explanation)
In case you’re interested, the f-number system is not arbitrary. The f-number is the focal length divided by the diameter of the pupil (aperture). For example, a 100mm lens with a f-stop of f-4 will have a pupil (aperture) diameter of 25mm. A 135mm lens with a setting of f-4 will
have a pupil diameter of about 33.8. Both of these examples will produce the same luminance on the focal plane.
F-number = focal length / pupil diameter.

(How it works)
There are full stops and fractional stops. Here’s the range of Full Stops you’re likely to see:
1.0 ~ 1.4 ~ 2.0 ~ 2.8 ~ 4.0
5.6 ~ 8.0 ~ 11 ~ 16 ~ 22
32 ~ 45 ~ 64

These full-stops are standard and common to all lenses. Some lenses have a smaller range, but the numbers are always the same. The reason this is important is that they each allow either half or double the amount of light as the next full f-stop. For example, f-8 allows twice as much light as f-11, but only half as much as f-5.6.

The reason this is good to know is that they correspond to shutter speeds which are also half or double the next shutter speed. For example 1/125 second is half as long as 1/500 second, and 1/60 second is twice as long as 1/125 second. When you use studio lights or flashes, everything is divisible by 2 so you can do the math in your head quickly while you’re working. I know, you’re probably thinking “yeah right”.

(Why it’s confusing)
One thing that makes f-stops confusing is that almost all camera manufacturers show fractional stops. In other words, f-4 and one third is shown as f-4.5 instead of f-4 1/3. There’s no indication which are full stops and which are fractional stops. Confusing!

Fractional stops are of little use in learning lighting. You need to know which ones are full stops. Why? Just about everything you need to know about lighting is based on full stops.

Learning your f-stops is by far the least fun part of photography, but it will open the door to a whole new world once you do.

Now, wasn’t that Simple!
F-Stops... br br I'll just dive in with this one!... (show quote)


F-Stops: Yes very easy. But would it not have been better to have the F-stops put the other way around?
I mean 1, 1.4, 2.0, 2.8, 4.0, 5.6 would mean that f/1 was the smallest hole and as the f/stops number got bigger so did the hole.
2 inch is bigger then one 1 inch and 3 inch is bigger then 2 inch. That is the way everything else is measured.
I’m 72 inches and my wife is 62 inches. I’m taller then she is, but in the camera world she would be bigger.

I need to step outside and scream
quote=designpro F-Stops... br br I'll just dive ... (show quote)


It works out that way because the f stop value is the ratio of the aperature to the len's focal length. For example, if the opening is 25mm and the focal length is 50mm, then the f stop is 50/25, or 2. If the opening is about 3mm, then the f stop is 50/3, or 16. The smaller the opening, the larger the number. Lenses are typically identified by their largest aperatures, or smallest f stops. It's not intuitive that's for certain.

Reply
Mar 9, 2012 12:12:17   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
the cited site really helps explain these concepts.

http://camerasim.com/camera-simulator/

Reply
Mar 9, 2012 12:39:17   #
designpro
 
That's got to be one of the coolest apps I've seen on the web!

Good find Ole Sarg.

Here is an image with the 3rd. stops listed for those that want to know...


ole sarg wrote:
the cited site really helps explain these concepts.

http://camerasim.com/camera-simulator/



Reply
Check out Astronomical Photography Forum section of our forum.
Mar 9, 2012 12:47:16   #
Ragarm
 
Flash Falasca wrote:
For example 1/125 second is half as long as 1/500 second,

wouldn't it be For example 1/125 second is twice as long as 1/250 second,


Yes.

Reply
Mar 9, 2012 12:50:11   #
designpro
 
I know I have a few type o's but you guys are getting it.

Sorry about that

Ragarm wrote:
Flash Falasca wrote:
For example 1/125 second is half as long as 1/500 second,

wouldn't it be For example 1/125 second is twice as long as 1/250 second,


Yes.

Reply
Mar 9, 2012 13:23:27   #
Spodeworld
 
Nicely explained...this is a very good, straight forward explanation of what an f-stop really is. Really simplifies the matter.

Reply
Mar 9, 2012 13:26:38   #
ShelterCove Loc: Nowhere, CA
 
designpro wrote:
F-Stops...

I'll just dive in with this one!

If f-stops are a little confusing to you, you’re normal. Most photographers have difficulty with this and modern cameras make it more difficult.

This may not be an exciting subject, but is important to your success.

(The concept)
The idea is that if you open the aperture one f-stop, it allows twice as much light through. Likewise, if you close the aperture one f-stop it allows half as much light through. F-stops are designed to work with shutter speeds, which also use the same half or double concept.

(Optional scientific explanation)
In case you’re interested, the f-number system is not arbitrary. The f-number is the focal length divided by the diameter of the pupil (aperture). For example, a 100mm lens with a f-stop of f-4 will have a pupil (aperture) diameter of 25mm. A 135mm lens with a setting of f-4 will
have a pupil diameter of about 33.8. Both of these examples will produce the same luminance on the focal plane.
F-number = focal length / pupil diameter.

(How it works)
There are full stops and fractional stops. Here’s the range of Full Stops you’re likely to see:
1.0 ~ 1.4 ~ 2.0 ~ 2.8 ~ 4.0
5.6 ~ 8.0 ~ 11 ~ 16 ~ 22
32 ~ 45 ~ 64

These full-stops are standard and common to all lenses. Some lenses have a smaller range, but the numbers are always the same. The reason this is important is that they each allow either half or double the amount of light as the next full f-stop. For example, f-8 allows twice as much light as f-11, but only half as much as f-5.6.

The reason this is good to know is that they correspond to shutter speeds which are also half or double the next shutter speed. For example 1/125 second is half as long as 1/500 second, and 1/60 second is twice as long as 1/125 second. When you use studio lights or flashes, everything is divisible by 2 so you can do the math in your head quickly while you’re working. I know, you’re probably thinking “yeah right”.

(Why it’s confusing)
One thing that makes f-stops confusing is that almost all camera manufacturers show fractional stops. In other words, f-4 and one third is shown as f-4.5 instead of f-4 1/3. There’s no indication which are full stops and which are fractional stops. Confusing!

Fractional stops are of little use in learning lighting. You need to know which ones are full stops. Why? Just about everything you need to know about lighting is based on full stops.

Learning your f-stops is by far the least fun part of photography, but it will open the door to a whole new world once you do.

Now, wasn’t that Simple!
F-Stops... br br I'll just dive in with this one!... (show quote)


You could also mention the relationship between f-stops and depth of field. I learned this by memorizing it and later actually understood: The larger the f-stop the smaller the opening of the aperture and pupil, resulting in greater depth of field (area in focus). So if you want to have the most possible of your scene in focus, use a higher f-stop. Shutter speed will need adjustment but I'll wait for your next easy lesson for that info. Thanks!

Reply
Check out Digital Artistry section of our forum.
Mar 9, 2012 13:41:52   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
go to the site cited below and run through the entire set of simulations they really help

http://camerasim.com

Reply
Mar 9, 2012 14:13:47   #
Don Butler Loc: NW Pennsylvania
 
I learned how to manage f stops many years ago and I also memorized the formula for estimating exposure outdoors without a flash or meter.
Those were the days. I needed to know the numbers because it meant I could earn a paycheck. It was only later when I dug into the physics of it all. When I had the time!
I'm still juggling the numbers with my dslr because when I shoot night sky the camera always wants to do something I'd rather not. So, in some cases I treat it as a manual camera.
I still have my old manual film cameras, but sadly, I don't use them anymore. I guess it's like Eastman Kodak. Film is passing off the scene.

Reply
Mar 9, 2012 14:35:32   #
JimH Loc: Western South Jersey, USA
 
designpro wrote:
...1/60 second is twice as long as 1/125 second.
Only in camera-math is 1/60th twice 1/125th.. :) Good job though. Repost it about every fourth day to make it sink in.

Reply
Mar 9, 2012 15:05:00   #
heliplot Loc: PNW
 
Thank you designpro! I am a novice at this stage, having gone my entire life never getting into this hobby/craft. Your tutorials, no matter how brief, are wonderful and I thank you for being so giving.

I have one question, and this is going to be difficult to phrase...Can we say that "generally", when you are doing a product photograph, you are attempting to capture or "sell" the "product" rather than the "photograph", so you might be less likely to want to rack all but a small segment out of focus (fore and aft)? Whereas, when you are attempting to create an artistic photograph, the subject IS the photograph rather than one object, and f-stop allows you to mute for creative effect?

Rereading this, not sure if I am wording a good question or not.

Reply
Page <<first <prev 3 of 6 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Check out The Pampered Pets Corner section of our forum.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.