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Dec 3, 2014 20:01:58   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Hmmmm...another controversy between evolutionists again...lol. Of course this is all from the atheist perspective.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/world/europe/ancient-skull-human-evolution/

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Dec 4, 2014 04:01:42   #
slocumeddie Loc: Inside your head, again
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Hmmmm...another controversy between evolutionists again...lol. Of course this is all from the atheist perspective.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/world/europe/ancient-skull-human-evolution/
And just imagine, that skull must only be 6000 years old, eh Rac ? :lol:

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Dec 4, 2014 09:43:53   #
BigWahoo Loc: Kentucky
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Hmmmm...another controversy between evolutionists again...lol. Of course this is all from the atheist perspective.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/world/europe/ancient-skull-human-evolution/


What in this article make you believe it is from an atheist point of view?

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Dec 4, 2014 11:05:52   #
OldDoc Loc: New York
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Hmmmm...another controversy between evolutionists again...lol. Of course this is all from the atheist perspective.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/world/europe/ancient-skull-human-evolution/

It's just scientists doing what scientists do - evaluating evidence and modifying their hypotheses based on the evidence. Especially enlightening in view of your questioning whether evolution science is actually science.

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Dec 4, 2014 11:31:59   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
slocumeddie wrote:
And just imagine, that skull must only be 6000 years old, eh Rac ? :lol:


May I ask a question? And no, I am not trying to be "demeaning" or "undermining". How many people have you personally spoken with that believe the world is only 6000 years old? I have been a member of an independent Baptist church the majority of my life and never was it preached in our church that the earth was only 6000 years old. Out of curiosity I asked just the people in my office how old they thought the world is. All of them said "somewhere in the millions". I asked if their religion has said anything different and they said they cannot recall it even being mentioned in church. 2 of us are from America, one is from China and one from El Salvador. I am trying to wrap my head around how it got started or who started the "world is only 6000 years old" adage.

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Dec 4, 2014 12:06:20   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Penny,
Google Ken Ham. That should open an entire new world for you. You may be entertained, you may be disgusted. But I'm sure you will at least chuckle...

I have met people that embraced this. My ex and I attended a Bible study hosted by a couple at their home several years ago and it was good for a couple of months. Then when we finished whatever book we had been studying - I don't remember - they wanted to take us and the other four couples in a "different direction". They got all conspiratorial like they were going to introduce us to crack or something and brought out an easel with a large chart with this ridiculous illustrated timeline. Dinosaurs on the Ark, etc. This is what they were home schooling their two kids with. OMG. INSANE. We and the other four couples never returned...

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Dec 4, 2014 13:50:01   #
silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.
 
Penny MG wrote:
May I ask a question? And no, I am not trying to be "demeaning" or "undermining". How many people have you personally spoken with that believe the world is only 6000 years old? I have been a member of an independent Baptist church the majority of my life and never was it preached in our church that the earth was only 6000 years old. Out of curiosity I asked just the people in my office how old they thought the world is. All of them said "somewhere in the millions". I asked if their religion has said anything different and they said they cannot recall it even being mentioned in church. 2 of us are from America, one is from China and one from El Salvador. I am trying to wrap my head around how it got started or who started the "world is only 6000 years old" adage.
May I ask a question? And no, I am not trying to... (show quote)


James Ussher in 1650 the archbishop of Ireland.

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Dec 4, 2014 13:59:38   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
silver wrote:
James Ussher in 1650 the archbishop of Ireland.


Thank you for your reply silver. Anyone else you can think of? It is just hard for me to believe that only 1 person from the 1650's could have that much influence over this particular topic.

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Dec 4, 2014 16:39:27   #
user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32
 
Penny MG wrote:
Thank you for your reply silver. Anyone else you can think of? It is just hard for me to believe that only 1 person from the 1650's could have that much influence over this particular topic.


If you believe that the Bible is the exact words of God, then you can add up the 7 days of creation + all of the begats and ages in Genesis from Adam to Jesus + the 2014 years of recent recorded history = ~6000 years.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/how-many-americans-actually-believe-the-earth-is-only-6000-years-old/

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For thirty years, Gallup has been asking Americans their views about evolution and human beings, and the results have been remarkably consistent and stable.

Last year, Gallup once again reported that nearly half of the country believe the Biblical version of events: “Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years.”

The Bible doesn’t actually say how long ago the account of creation in the book of Genesis was supposed to have taken place. But in 1650, Church of Ireland Archbishop James Ussher used the stories of the Old Testament to calculate that the world had been created on Sunday, October 23, 4004 BC. His wasn’t the only calculus based on the Bible, but it became the most popular and is still influential with creationists today.

And according to Gallup, that calculation is still so popular, nearly half of America believes it describes the age of the earth.

But Josh Rosenau, with the National Center for Science Education, wrote this week that very different results emerge when slight changes are made to the questions that Gallup asks, and the actual number of “young-earth creationists” in the U.S. is probably much lower than Gallup claims.

Rosenau points out that the Gallup poll specifically asks about human origins, and does so in a religious context. But if Americans are asked if they believe whether plants and animals have evolved over millions of years (regardless of the reason why), a substantially higher number say yes — 60 percent did in a 2009 Pew poll, for example.

Removing religious context and human origins, people are much less likely to say that we’re living on a young earth. In another 2009 survey, only 18 percent agreed with the statement that “the earth is less than 10,000 years old,” for example.

But Rosenau thinks the number of truly committed young-earth creationists is even smaller than that.

Since the early 1980s, the National Science Board has asked Americans if they accept the idea that the continents have been moving for millions of years — and 80 percent agree. Ten percent say they don’t know, and only another ten percent firmly reject it.

“In short, then, the hard core of young-earth creationists represents at most one in ten Americans — maybe about 31 million people — with another quarter favoring creationism but not necessarily committed to a young earth,” Rosenau concludes. “One or two in ten seem firmly committed to evolution, and another third leans heavily toward evolution. About a third of the public in the middle are open to evolution, but feel strongly that a god or gods must have been involved somehow, and wind up in different camps depending how a given poll is worded.”
For thirty years, Gallup has been asking Americans... (show quote)

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Dec 4, 2014 16:39:27   #
user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32
 
double your pleasure...

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Dec 4, 2014 16:46:12   #
user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Hmmmm...another controversy between evolutionists again...lol. Of course this is all from the atheist perspective.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/world/europe/ancient-skull-human-evolution/


you do understand that science does NOT address the spiritual nature?so in that sense all true science is secular or possibly agnostic, but definitely not atheist.

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Dec 4, 2014 17:28:44   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
user47602 wrote:
you do understand that science does NOT address the spiritual nature?so in that sense all true science is secular or possibly agnostic, but definitely not atheist.


Science is really neither secular nor spiritual in nature even though the majority of early scientists were spiritual believers. Now the interpretation of science discoveries can be secular or spiritual.

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Dec 4, 2014 17:34:01   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
user47602 wrote:
you do understand that science does NOT address the spiritual nature?so in that sense all true science is secular or possibly agnostic, but definitely not atheist.


Yes I do understand science does not address the spiritual nature, yet that does not exclude spiritual implications from being true. There are many things that are not classified by the secular population as "scientific" yet they are still true.

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Dec 4, 2014 17:37:02   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Penny MG wrote:
May I ask a question? And no, I am not trying to be "demeaning" or "undermining". How many people have you personally spoken with that believe the world is only 6000 years old? I have been a member of an independent Baptist church the majority of my life and never was it preached in our church that the earth was only 6000 years old. Out of curiosity I asked just the people in my office how old they thought the world is. All of them said "somewhere in the millions". I asked if their religion has said anything different and they said they cannot recall it even being mentioned in church. 2 of us are from America, one is from China and one from El Salvador. I am trying to wrap my head around how it got started or who started the "world is only 6000 years old" adage.
May I ask a question? And no, I am not trying to... (show quote)


There are a few people who believe that the earth is only 6,000 years old, who really knows the true age of this earth. Anyone who thinks he knows is only kidding himself, I have no idea of the Earths age....I'm not convinced in either direction as of yet. <shrugs>

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Dec 4, 2014 17:54:40   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Hmmmm...another controversy between evolutionists again...lol. Of course this is all from the atheist perspective.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/17/world/europe/ancient-skull-human-evolution/


And now....



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