No child left behind
Dec 2, 2014 12:18:09 #
What do you do with a disciplinary child that is rebellious and refuses to comply with the education system? Do you pass them along to the next grade so he / she won't be left behind? Do you let them graduate High School even though they don't have the minimum number of credits needed to graduate?
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Dec 2, 2014 12:20:46 #
NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND
All that means is we now have a bunch of uneducated high school graduates.
All that means is we now have a bunch of uneducated high school graduates.
Dec 2, 2014 12:25:20 #
Every child is different...as are their educational needs. Top quality teachers I know hated NCLB because it encouraging teaching to the test rather than teaching for deep understanding of a subject. Of course they hate Common Core even more because it leaves so much vital info out...or slants it, such as in history.
We solved the problem by homeschooling. Rather than sheltering our daughter, it set her free to soar. Transition to college was seamless. Her curiosity and love of learning still thrive years later.
We solved the problem by homeschooling. Rather than sheltering our daughter, it set her free to soar. Transition to college was seamless. Her curiosity and love of learning still thrive years later.
Dec 2, 2014 12:36:20 #
I understand what they were trying to do, however, the reason there are so many problems is that people don't look past their instant gratification to see what the end result might be as a result of their actions.
Dec 2, 2014 13:01:42 #
Problem with NCLB...not all students are created equal.
"All children can learn...." whatever.
Sorry, thats just not true. In spite of whatever wellmeaningness...
there are smart people, average people and not so smart people. We're talking book learning, not street smart or common sense. Not everyone can learn algebra, or can write a 500 word logical composition.
I taught 8th grade special education, kids that were "slow" only with book learning. Reading level around 2nd or 3rd grade, still struggling with times tables. Life skills... as in survival...way ahead of many adults.
Some people never learned any acceptable coping skills, way back thru their patents, grandparents etc. We need to get back to basics, also geography and civics. Kids aren't learning much, mostly how to learn.
College level courses in hi school and music ( choir, band, orchestra) excepted.
Don't expect much improvement as long as the totally out of touch with real life idiots as running things.
"All children can learn...." whatever.
Sorry, thats just not true. In spite of whatever wellmeaningness...
there are smart people, average people and not so smart people. We're talking book learning, not street smart or common sense. Not everyone can learn algebra, or can write a 500 word logical composition.
I taught 8th grade special education, kids that were "slow" only with book learning. Reading level around 2nd or 3rd grade, still struggling with times tables. Life skills... as in survival...way ahead of many adults.
Some people never learned any acceptable coping skills, way back thru their patents, grandparents etc. We need to get back to basics, also geography and civics. Kids aren't learning much, mostly how to learn.
College level courses in hi school and music ( choir, band, orchestra) excepted.
Don't expect much improvement as long as the totally out of touch with real life idiots as running things.
Dec 2, 2014 13:21:54 #
krashdragon wrote:
Problem with NCLB...not all students are created e... (show quote)
The child in question is 16 and wild to say the least. He comes and goes when he wants, stays out all night on school nights ... etc ... Out of control ... Glad he is not my offspring.
Dec 2, 2014 20:52:59 #
Sounds like a parenting problem. Nclb is crap. Is it the teachers fault if all but a few students get the material? Is it fair to the ones that do get it to be brought down to the level of the few that dont? It used to be the parents that kept their children in line....wtf happened?
Dec 2, 2014 23:20:41 #
A child has to have discipline, how can you expect him to be good in school when he can call the shots with the rest of his life?
Dec 3, 2014 09:34:38 #
YoungEsqr
Loc: Minnesota
I would agree. Discipline starts at home and parents and teachers need to be on the same page. Classroom management is not something that most new teachers are taught, either. It a child does not know how to behave, then it negatively impacts the learning process not just for him/her, but for everyone.
Finally, I don't care how good a lesson plan is or how good a teacher can teach. If a teacher cannot manage their classroom, very little, if any, learning will take place. Schools today are into 'public relations' too much and chasing the almighty dollar in this country.
NCLB emphasizes test scores too much, as the end product for everyone. It does not look at the individual student and what the teacher started with and what progress is made over the course of a year with that student. Go to Norway and see what they are doing there and then copy it.
Finally, I don't care how good a lesson plan is or how good a teacher can teach. If a teacher cannot manage their classroom, very little, if any, learning will take place. Schools today are into 'public relations' too much and chasing the almighty dollar in this country.
NCLB emphasizes test scores too much, as the end product for everyone. It does not look at the individual student and what the teacher started with and what progress is made over the course of a year with that student. Go to Norway and see what they are doing there and then copy it.
dljen wrote:
A child has to have discipline, how can you expect him to be good in school when he can call the shots with the rest of his life?
Dec 3, 2014 11:59:58 #
Cragzop
Loc: NYC
ACS wrote:
Every child is different...as are their educationa... (show quote)
I salute you. Having 3 children who are casualties of the "educational" system here in NY, I truly wish I had the confidence and balls to have taken the path you did with home schooling. Despite the ex wife's MIT PhD and my 2 graduate degrees, we naively believed that our outrageous school tax was going to finance a decent, basic education for our children, and home schooling was for those on the fringe of society.
Boy were we wrong.
Incorrigible students, a significant number of ineffective teachers, notice I didn't say ALL teachers, there are some who were dedicated but were overwhelmed by administrative nightmares, and rampant drug use.
The drugs in our small community have destroyed many lives, and taken a number, including my son Nicholas. It seems the local police consider it an "epidemic," yet every kid in my town knows where to score heroin but the cops are clueless.
Sorry for the rant. Musta struck a nerve.
Dec 3, 2014 14:14:54 #
Cragzop wrote:
I salute you. Having 3 children who are casualties... (show quote)
Our family lost our nephew to drugs. Though his mother took him to church religiously, he had a weak personality and began taking drugs. The last time I knew, he was taking coke and was stealing to support his habit. He lived with his father, my brother, and stole him blind. He lost two cars to drugs and finally his freedom. He's been in prison for several years, his life is over. When he gets out, he will never find employment, even hamburger joints wouldn't hire him. He will undoubtedly return to drugs...and will be back in prison. I hope better for your son.
Dec 3, 2014 14:30:10 #
You have to look at the ratings for the school system for your town according to the State rating. My town is rated 26 ot of about 300 towns. The "young person" in my post came from a town that was rated #9 in the State. He says the school system sucks. Go figure? He wanted to move.
What happens is if a teacher is stuck in a school system that has a lower mentality class the teacher is going to take it down a notch so that the majority of the students can grasp what is taught. Do you remember, "Welcome back Kotter"?
What happens is if a teacher is stuck in a school system that has a lower mentality class the teacher is going to take it down a notch so that the majority of the students can grasp what is taught. Do you remember, "Welcome back Kotter"?
Dec 3, 2014 14:53:37 #
Cragzop
Loc: NYC
dljen wrote:
Our family lost our nephew to drugs. Though his mo... (show quote)
Unfortunately, Nicholas died of an overdose on January 15th, 2014. I empathize with your family. Drugs affect everyone in the family, not just the abuser.
Dec 3, 2014 15:09:52 #
Robert Graybeal wrote:
NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND
All that means is we now have a bunch of uneducated high school graduates.
All that means is we now have a bunch of uneducated high school graduates.
With the advent of the federal mandatory school programs, and the mandatory dumbing down of students to a federally predetermined level, so everyone is equal,high schools are now child care centers. All students who reach the age of 18, are then permitted to leave and pay for their high school education, at what used to be called a junior college. :thumbup:
Dec 3, 2014 15:13:15 #
YoungEsqr
Loc: Minnesota
I agree and would add the following. Don't put a calculator in a child's hand until high school. Memorize the multiplication table in the early grades. Teach a secondary language, in addition to English, in the early grades and please add Latin as a basic course in high school. Bring back English grammar and diagramming sentences. If the children don't behave, let the parents come get them and home school them. No cell phones. If the child brings them to school, send him home or he/she can use it to call mama to come get them. :-) Finally, every 18 year old goes through some form of military basic training to learn how to get along with people, make their beds, clean up after themselves, hygiene, cook, listen, follow directions, and a bunch of other things they don't get at home or fail to learn.
BigBear wrote:
I understand what they were trying to do, however, the reason there are so many problems is that people don't look past their instant gratification to see what the end result might be as a result of their actions.
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