Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

OK I see where he said that "evolution also appears to defy Entropy, the second law of thermodynamics that things decline over time, we see species go extinct and we don't have one recorded example of a new species ever becoming".
I don't see where he is in error with this, this is a proven fact that there are no new species that has arisen from another, unless of course one believes in the false theory of Darwinian evolution. Yet Darwinian evolution is not a fact at all, there is not one evidence of a complete intermediate line of transitional form of Darwinian evolution. If Darwinian evolution was true, we would have found millions many trillions of transitional fossils to complete at least thousands of lines of species evolving, but we don't have any at all.
Now when it comes to cellular entropy, No amount of energy will increase or add to the non material information code in the DNA molecule unless it is added by a non material agent. No material substance can ever create a non material information code into a DNA molecule, this is a proven fact. So, if energy can not add information to DNA, what happens in light of the Law of Entropy? I can tell you now that it will be in decline due to this law. This is the same with the origin of life it self, how did this first life begin and how could it have increased information to evolve when it can't even create non material information???

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

I'm sorry, I hardly doubt the rest of my argument is obtuse. I am sure you are smart enough to understand what you think is my lack of intellect, I believe I made some very strong irrefutable points. Maybe you are avoiding those issues because that subject is troubling for almost all naturalist because they are unable to explain it away?? Just curious :)

OldDoc Loc: New York

It's the same old snake oil - give a wrong definition, then "prove" that by that definition your snake oil cures something. In this case, the wrong definition is of the second law of thermodynamics. Please see http://physics.about.com/od/glossary/g/entropy.htm for a more rigorous discussion of thermodynamics. The second law has to do with energy. In attempting to simplify the second law we often describe the loss of organization, but that is not the second law. So what they've done is to create their own second law of thermodynamics in which an open system cannot must undergo increased entropy, so cannot become more complex, and used that "law" to show that evolution is impossible. The second law does not say anything except that in a closed system thermal energy becomes distributed. That is what the second law says, and no amount of biblicizing can change that.

Now, let's deal with your assertion that it is proven that no new species have arisen. Take a look at the publications of Lenski, who, over a 30 year period observed the evolution of a new species of bacteria in the lab. As for the lack of transitional fossils, there are so many that I really am at a loss to reply other than to call BS on that assertion.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

LOL same old likely empty assertions as usual when evolutionist are at loss. You can not even refute anything I have posted. Here is a list again that proves evolution is false and so is materialism. I am kind of disappointed that a scientist as yourself could not bury me into the Creation ground head first. Of course these are not my ideas or evidence, I know a little about it but not nearly as much as you claim you do. So here is it, the list.

Creation is FACT and the scientific evidence is favoring Creation, like it or not does not effect truth.

The proof of a Creator has already been done
1) Anthropic Principle (Fine tuning)- not possible by chance
2) DNA information Code disproves evolution and confirms a Creator.
3) The law of Entropy disproves evolution effectively
4) Origin of Life, evidence of Creation
5) Bacterium Flagellum- (The super efficient motor)<<< no chance this can happen unless created by an intelligent agent> proves Creation model and disproves randomness.
6) Quantum Physics destroys materialism and strong evidence of a Creator. OH! the observation of electron matter behaving differently when measured (Observed)
7) Material/naturalism can not create non material information codes necessary for DNA body plan operation/creation/

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

OH here I forgot this.....

Entropy from the link you provided.

Entropy & The Second Law of Thermodynamics

One way of stating the second law of thermodynamics is:
In any closed system, the entropy of the system will either remain constant or (((increase.))) <<<<
Me >Increase of entropy mean an increase of deterioration, loss of energy..., the higher the entropy the worse it is.

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

Nothing that anybody can say will sway the way rac thinks. Rac has it all figured out and he is firmly convinced that the bible is the final say in anything. Rac actually believes that the earth is only 6,000 years old, that man walked with dinosaurs and the flintstones is a documentary. Rac lives in his own little biblical world. Science favors creation only in racs little mind.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

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OldDoc, You must know by now that Evolution is Satan's snake oil. Rac will look at yor proof and dismiss it as evil lies produced by the Devil. He has rejected all proofs just as we reject all of his fractured science, tit for tat.

uote=OldDoc]It's the same old snake oil - give a wrong definition, then "prove" that by that definition your snake oil cures something. In this case, the wrong definition is of the second law of thermodynamics. Please see http://physics.about.com/od/glossary/g/entropy.htm for a more rigorous discussion of thermodynamics. The second law has to do with energy. In attempting to simplify the second law we often describe the loss of organization, but that is not the second law. So what they've done is to create their own second law of thermodynamics in which an open system cannot must undergo increased entropy, so cannot become more complex, and used that "law" to show that evolution is impossible. The second law does not say anything except that in a closed system thermal energy becomes distributed. That is what the second law says, and no amount of biblicizing can change that.

Now, let's deal with your assertion that it is proven that no new species have arisen. Take a look at the publications of Lenski, who, over a 30 year period observed the evolution of a new species of bacteria in the lab. As for the lack of transitional fossils, there are so many that I really am at a loss to reply other than to call BS on that assertion.[/quote]

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

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Actually I could say the same about you, you have rejected all proofs and evidences provided that neither you or anyone else were able to refute, so who is rejecting true evidence??? YOU

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

Rac,
That is exactly what I said, tit for tat.


quote=Racmanaz]Actually I could say the same about you, you have rejected all proofs and evidences provided that neither you or anyone else were able to refute, so who is rejecting true evidence??? YOU[/quote]

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

OH and about the Richard Lenski experiment, very cool experiment but what a waste of time and money. Only thing that experiment proved was micro evolution not Darwinian macro evolution where one species evolves into a completely different type of species through natural selection and mutations. The E.coli bacteria's he experimented with are still bacterias, it did not change into another species or different life forms. That's kind of like taking 10 dobermans and 10 chihuahuas and breeding them to come out later with a different breed of dog. That's NOT Darwinian evolution, that's cross breeding simple as that.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

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Don't say tit on here lol ;)

silver Loc: Santa Monica Ca.

Rac, you totally dont know what you are talking about. Evolution says nothing about one species evolving into another, just that species change to another form. You are so off base its amazing.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Dar·win·ism noun \&#712;där-w&#601;-&#716;ni-z&#601;m\
: the theory of Charles Darwin about how plant and animal species develop

Full Definition of DARWINISM

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: a theory of the origin and perpetuation of (new species) of animals and plants that offspring of a given organism vary, that natural selection favors the survival of some of these variations over others, (that new species have arisen and may continue to arise by these processes), and that widely divergent groups of plants and animals have arisen from the same ancestors — compare evolution 4, neo-Darwinism

rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA

First you denounce science and the scientific method as invalid, then you attempt to use science as proof for the existence of the supernatural. Make up your mind, sir. You can't do both.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

I never denounced science, I denounced bad science from biased atheists that have been proven wrong or in error over and over again.