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Nov 23, 2014 11:06:18   #
Zaydewise Loc: Nashville TN
 
I'll add my 2 cents worth. I just purchased the Canon Pro 100 and received it yesterday. There is a rebate of $250 which brought the cost down to $149 with 50 sheets of photo paper. It seems to be working fine. The only thing I need to do now is calibrate my monitor so the colors are correct. I bought the printer from Adorama and they sent it within a couple of days. I believe the rebate ends November 24th. I was told about this printer from a few members of the Brentwood Camera Group who all gave it 2 thumbs up. Good Luck and have a great Thanksgiving.

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Nov 23, 2014 11:14:28   #
PhotoPhred Loc: Cheyney, Pa
 
Canon PIXMA Pro 100. I also use a Canon PIXMA Pro 9000 MK II that is 4 years old and still works great.

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Nov 23, 2014 11:33:07   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
Gene51 wrote:
How many prints do you plan on making in a year?

If it is a small number, then any of the 13" wide offerings from Canon or Epson should be fine - keep in mind that more ink channels usually means wider color gamut.

If you intend on making 100s of prints, then a larger printer with bigger ink cartridges will be more economical.

For example, an Epson 3880 17x22 printer will cost you $1200, but it uses 80ml cartridges that cost $50 or $.63 per ml.

The Epson R3000 13x19 printer is $750, and uses 25.9 ml carts at $28 each, for a cost of $1.08 per ml, which is close to 2x the price of the ink for the larger printer. After less than two rounds of ink the savings on ink costs makes the larger printer more economical. And it does larger prints. I use an Epson 4880 which uses 220ml carts - which cost me $90, for a $.44 per ml price. And it does up to 17" paper rolls, so I save on paper costs too. Adorama has the new version of this printer, the 4900 for $1750.

If you see yourself doing a lot of prints, then it might make sense to look at printers that use larger ink cartridges.
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Amazon has the 4900 and the reviews are terrible with ink clogging. I understand that these printers need to be used and cannot remain unused for a period of time or the ink dries up.

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Nov 23, 2014 11:41:32   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
mldavis2 wrote:
I always seem to run counter to the crowd on some of these questions, so as one who has gone "both ways" on the printer question, here's something to think about:

If you print for fun or for a hobby, printers are not economical, especially if you are generating handfulls of 4x6 or 5x7 prints. The cost of printer ink is outrageous, even if you run tanks instead of cartridges. It also depends on the final use of those prints - yourself or others, proofs or final prints, hobby or professional, today or tomorrow - and the size of your bank account.

I threw color printers out several years ago. Yes, it's fun to see those prints come alive in minutes, but that wears off. Consider using a high volume source such as Costco, WalMart, Walgreens, etc. (in the U.S.) which produce good (if not great) color fidelity, and are much cheaper than you can possibly print at home. For my larger prints and serious public viewing work, I use a pro lab such as MPix (again, in the U.S.). Your needs may vary, but the only printer I have is a good B&W laser printer, and I haven't missed color printers for several years.
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Prints give you valuable feedback on technique that are often lost on an LCD. They often reveal flaws not seen on a LCD like small sensor dust. They also render better resolution than most of today's LCDs. You are correct to weigh the pros and cons but printing cannot be weighted on cost alone.

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Nov 23, 2014 11:59:36   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Nikon_DonB wrote:
Depending on your budget. I've had the Epson R3000 Stylus Photo for a couple years and I love it. It does nice crisp prints up to 13" x panoramic roll paper. It'll cost around $700., but I'd check out Epson's and B&H's sites. Often they have rebate offers that make it more attractive.


This is the printer I have as well. I like it. Bought mine with a rebate and saved about $200. Also, look at Gene51s suggestions as you neither indicated your budget or how much you'll use it.

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Nov 23, 2014 12:37:02   #
Southern Lady Loc: Statesville,NC
 
You can never go wrong with an Epson. I have an Epson 1280 that I have used for a few years. It prints beautiful, sharp photos up to 13X19. I know longer use it since I don't use it much anymore so I would consider selling it. Paid $400.00 for it. PM me if you are interested.

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Nov 23, 2014 12:58:48   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
Zaydewise wrote:
...I just purchased the Canon Pro 100 and received it yesterday. .... The only thing I need to do now is calibrate my monitor so the colors are correct...

That can be a big job because you can send the image files through three or four different systems before it gets to paper. It depends on your screen and what software you use. Some screens don't seem to calibrate well, especially laptops. In some cases, the software (like Lightroom) can manage the color. Or, you can turn of color management in the software and let the Canon print driver do it.

Another choice is to use the software that Canon provides for printing. Canon put a lot into that software including a calibration system the prints a bunch of coded small photos on a single sheet. You pick the best thumbnail and the software will remember the codes for future prints.

The usual first mistake is to print while both your software and the printer are trying to manage the color. Turning it off in the printer is in the printer driver and not well explained.

For my setup, I found I liked it best when I turned off Lightroom print color management and have the printer do it. In the printer driver there is a check box allowing a screen preview before printing. If it matches my Lightroom preview, I get what I want.

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Nov 23, 2014 13:05:10   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
bsprague wrote:
That can be a big job because you can send the image files through three or four different systems before it gets to paper. It depends on your screen and what software you use. Some screens don't seem to calibrate well, especially laptops. In some cases, the software (like Lightroom) can manage the color. Or, you can turn of color management in the software and let the Canon print driver do it.

Another choice is to use the software that Canon provides for printing. Canon put a lot into that software including a calibration system the prints a bunch of coded small photos on a single sheet. You pick the best thumbnail and the software will remember the codes for future prints.

The usual first mistake is to print while both your software and the printer are trying to manage the color. Turning it off in the printer is in the printer driver and not well explained.

For my setup, I found I liked it best when I turned off Lightroom print color management and have the printer do it. In the printer driver there is a check box allowing a screen preview before printing. If it matches my Lightroom preview, I get what I want.
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Getting it all in sync is an issue and a challenge. And this is where color gamut come into play. The colors on your monitor may not be reproducible on the printer. There are soft proofing tools inside photoshop that are helpful.

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Nov 23, 2014 13:12:07   #
rlscholl Loc: California
 
With photo printers, it is always useful to check out the rebates available.

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Nov 23, 2014 13:12:54   #
Tony.mustang
 
Hi, I see a lot of suggestions and I would like to add my comments by saying look at the epson r3000.you should look up some u tubes or ask for reviews on this printer.in regards to price call up epson sight and you can buy it for $599. Softer $200. Rebate. Good luck. Tony

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Nov 23, 2014 13:26:45   #
Zaydewise Loc: Nashville TN
 
Thanks I will try to do as you suggested

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Nov 23, 2014 13:33:55   #
cheineck Loc: Hobe Sound, FL
 
The Epson 3880 comes with wonderful tech support, and a full load of ink. The ink is expensive but lasts a loooooooong time! And, the prints are superb.

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Nov 23, 2014 14:09:12   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 

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I have this one as well as a Canon 9000 Mark II... I like the 100 better for the B&W prints as it has a better spread of ink in that two gray carts.

When you are making a PRINT... Remember to ALWAYS capture in RAW - Use the Adobe RGB - And profile of Adobe 1998.... This works for most papers, however you may have to readjust your paper and color profiles to get the best print that you want from ANY printer.
I ALWAYS think toward the PRINT even before I open the shutter - Pre-visualization IS a Must.

Got Mine on e-bay -- But remember to ask the seller IF in doubt....

This one looks good.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-PIXMA-PRO-100-Digital-Photo-Inkjet-Printer-Read-/251719865004?pt=COMP_Printers&hash=item3a9bac52ac

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Nov 23, 2014 15:21:51   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Mark7829 wrote:
Amazon has the 4900 and the reviews are terrible with ink clogging. I understand that these printers need to be used and cannot remain unused for a period of time or the ink dries up.


That's true of any printer - pigmented ink will settle and with enough time can crystallize. You have to properly use and maintain the printer. I have the 4880 - and it sits idle most of the time, except when I am printing for a gallery or show - then it gets 40 hours of printing in a week's time. I live in an environment that is humid in the summer, but can go down to 5 deg in the winter. I keep the printer covered, place a small tupperware container with a wet sponge in it on the table it is on under the printhead dock area which keeps the nozzles from drying out. I make sure I print a nozzle check once a week. No issues in 2 years of ownership. Not a single nozzle clogged.

HPs have a built in routine to move ink and they don't clog either. Canon's dye printers were fine, but I have no experience with the pigment ones, but I suspect it is no different.

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Nov 23, 2014 18:46:10   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
Gene51 wrote:
That's true of any printer - pigmented ink will settle and with enough time can crystallize. You have to properly use and maintain the printer. I have the 4880 - and it sits idle most of the time, except when I am printing for a gallery or show - then it gets 40 hours of printing in a week's time. I live in an environment that is humid in the summer, but can go down to 5 deg in the winter. I keep the printer covered, place a small tupperware container with a wet sponge in it on the table it is on under the printhead dock area which keeps the nozzles from drying out. I make sure I print a nozzle check once a week. No issues in 2 years of ownership. Not a single nozzle clogged.

HPs have a built in routine to move ink and they don't clog either. Canon's dye printers were fine, but I have no experience with the pigment ones, but I suspect it is no different.
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YES - Gene....

I print One 8X10 out of each printer once a week.

And do a nozzle "shot" (cleaning) once a month.

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