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Mar 7, 2012 11:03:54   #
ShelterCove Loc: Nowhere, CA
 
avsinc wrote:
Thanks ShelterCove, I like your outside stairs very much as well.


:)

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Mar 7, 2012 15:01:11   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
avsinc wrote:
.../...
Couples of changes you may want to try on your original...
1) rotate your image slightly down
2) crop on upper right to eliminate clues as to what is going on (grass, sidewalk and wall.
3) crop again to balance the picture. If there is too much information on the left vs the right you get 'off balance.

This is what it would look like, except better on your side because this a thumbnail. Notice that the top left right is still imperfect, the bright spot needs to be 'cloned out'. This spot exists because you do not want to clip the first 'arch'



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Mar 7, 2012 15:15:09   #
rufus1 Loc: Winter Haven, Florida
 
Welcome to UHH you are a wonderful addition. So much to learn...
avsinc wrote:
I'm new here and just posted this in the Introduce Yourself board. Sorry if it is a duplicate but it just fits this topic so well.
It is a two exposure composite, one for shadows and one for highs, of a back hall stairwell. The early morning light just made me stop and go WOW!

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Mar 7, 2012 15:36:31   #
avsinc
 
English_Wolf wrote:
avsinc wrote:
.../...
Couples of changes you may want to try on your original...
1) rotate your image slightly down
2) crop on upper right to eliminate clues as to what is going on (grass, sidewalk and wall.
3) crop again to balance the picture. If there is too much information on the left vs the right you get 'off balance.

This is what it would look like, except better on your side because this a thumbnail. Notice that the top left right is still imperfect, the bright spot needs to be 'cloned out'. This spot exists because you do not want to clip the first 'arch'
quote=avsinc .../... /quote Couples of changes ... (show quote)


Hi English Wolf, we don't know each other well enough yet for me to call you EW.

I very much appreciate your interest in this picture. It is one of the few pics I have taken over the decades that I keep coming back to, sometimes just to look and sometimes to wonder what else I could/should have done. I am not sold on the crop you have here, even though it gets rid of the grass and walkway outside the window. To me that part of the picture (outside) is SO secondary to the wonderful journey the eye embarks on in the stairwell that I don't mind it at all. The bright spot on the step is actually a floor light to help people see where they are going at night, I guess the hotel just leaves them on all the time. I have gone back and forth many times whether or not to clone it out, some days yes, some days no, apparently this version was from a "no" day.

I will look forward to posting more pics just to get your reaction, as I value thoughtful eyes such as yours.

See, we're getting to know each other already. Thanks

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Mar 7, 2012 15:42:12   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
Are you going back to this hotel anytime soon?

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Mar 7, 2012 15:45:59   #
avsinc
 
Not any time soon, that I know of anyway. It was for an annual meeting of a company that I do a lot of work with and they book hotels years in advance, next couple years are San Diego I believe.

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Mar 7, 2012 15:50:08   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
Darn.

If you ever return, consider using the left angle that exist on the left unless the windows on the stairs right become visible.

Otherwise it is damned good capture of an event that is rarely seen.

Oh, anyone can call me anything, it is not like this is important. Wolf, wolfie, EW, moron, idiot or other things equally flattering work just as well. I answer. :mrgreen:

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Mar 7, 2012 15:51:05   #
avsinc
 
[quote=rufus1]Welcome to UHH you are a wonderful addition. So much to learn...

Thanks so much. Hopefully we are all learning from each other.

A wise man I know once said in an interview, to the question, "Who have been your biggest influences?" Response, "Everyone I have ever met!"

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Mar 7, 2012 16:01:54   #
avsinc
 
English_Wolf wrote:
Darn.

If you ever return, consider using the left angle that exist on the left unless the windows on the stairs right become visible.

Otherwise it is damned good capture of an event that is rarely seen.

Oh, anyone can call me anything, it is not like this is important. Wolf, wolfie, EW, moron, idiot or other things equally flattering work just as well. I answer. :mrgreen:


You mean something like this? I tried to go all around the thing as it was just too cool to pass up.



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Mar 7, 2012 16:10:32   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
Not quite, I mean using the 90 degree left corner as the left corner of your composition.

This works well too. Just rotate the image a bit to gain a symmetrical view to achieve a perfect optical effect.

Note: I corrected the perspective (lens barrel) and cropped to avoid the lower reference. (And I hate cropping!!! http://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2012/3/7/1331155018221-vil_enrage.gif)

Had to modify the levels...
Had to modify the levels......

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Mar 7, 2012 16:13:18   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
WHERE is that hotel? I might go just for this!

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Mar 7, 2012 16:24:31   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
English_Wolf wrote:
Not quite, I mean using the 90 degree left corner as the left corner of your composition.

This works well too. Just rotate the image a bit to gain a symmetrical view to achieve a perfect optical effect.

Note: I corrected the perspective (lens barrel) and cropped to avoid the lower reference. (And I hate cropping!!!)

Just curious, why did you crop that much off the top? And, while you corrected the distortion, would it have been a shade better to rotate it slightly counterclockwise?

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Mar 7, 2012 16:34:53   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
I did not have much of a choice.

The lens correction modified the levels ( I had to quickly correct that one). The hand rail was straitened but was angled so I had to rotate as you said. Let me show you the trouble here...

Original
Original...

Lens correction
Lens correction...

Rotated
Rotated...

Cropped
Cropped...

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Mar 7, 2012 16:50:37   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
Thanks for the quick response. Maybe I'm dense, but it's still not clear why you cropped down at the top and cut off the first banister intersection. Or was that necessitated by the cumulative effect of the other corrections?

Anyway, it's a great subject, and avsinc gets all kinds of points for "seeing" it and getting inspired.

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Mar 7, 2012 16:59:39   #
English_Wolf Loc: Near Pensacola, FL
 
RMM wrote:
.../... Or was that necessitated by the cumulative effect of the other corrections? .../...
The lens barrel correction did it. The other choices did correct the handrail but at the price of other ugly side effects.

If this was with a different program, with an original picture, the result would have been different. CS5 can adjust with a grid under the designer mode. Never tried it thought.

Note that the crop that followed is right at the upper limit of the hand rail to avoid a point of reference for the viewer. Throws off the perception.

One more thing (I keep adding here) the handrail is not horizontal, it is on an incline as the floor is on right.

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