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Nov 18, 2014 09:38:54   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
coot wrote:
I'm an old coot and can not stand to use a low priced camera because it's hard to get away from the auto functions and use any of the often limited manual modes of operation. Photographers for 130 years were able to take wonderful pictures without all that automation. Just stop and think how many great shots have been messed up by auto focus, poor auto aperture settings, wrong shutter speed and auto ISO selections. Once those things are understood, with a quality camera it only takes a couple seconds to properly adjust them. If a person wants a fully automatic camera that takes reasonably good pictures, that's what they should get. As someone that started with manual cameras, the new automation often drives me nuts. Which is really only a put in my case.
I'm an old coot and can not stand to use a low pri... (show quote)


On the other hand, how many great shots in the film/manual focus and settings era were messed up by not focusing fast or accurately enough, not getting exposure settings fast enough, etc. I know I get a lot more photos in focus now with autofocus than I did in the manual focus days, and better exposures in fast changing lighting conditions with auto exposure.

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Nov 18, 2014 09:41:23   #
jrb1213 Loc: McDonough GEorgia
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Because many people use their camera HEAVILY or like to print large and/or need to crop deep, and can use many of the features available in upper end cameras like weatherproofing, high MP sensors, multiple memory cards, faster and more accurate AF systems, external settings controls rather than menu based controls, much longer shutter life expectancy, and a plethora of lesser reasons. One needs to choose a camera that meets THEIR needs, not the needs of others. If a $300 camera will do the job for you, then by all means get it. If it won't do the job, then buy one that will. Simple.
Because many people use their camera HEAVILY or li... (show quote)


It is amazing, I agree with Mtshooter on everything (except his analysis of the Canon 7D mark II. :lol: )

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Nov 18, 2014 09:49:53   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Because many people use their camera HEAVILY or like to print large and/or need to crop deep, and can use many of the features available in upper end cameras like weatherproofing, high MP sensors, multiple memory cards, faster and more accurate AF systems, external settings controls rather than menu based controls, much longer shutter life expectancy, and a plethora of lesser reasons. One needs to choose a camera that meets THEIR needs, not the needs of others. If a $300 camera will do the job for you, then by all means get it. If it won't do the job, then buy one that will. Simple.
Because many people use their camera HEAVILY or li... (show quote)


Yep! That about covers it.

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Nov 18, 2014 09:54:32   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
show1971 wrote:
I think his assumption is based on using Photoshop to get "quality" pictures. I'm a beginner myself, but from what I've observed, it's still more the photographer's skill with the equipment than the equipment itself.


That is quite true. For an inexperienced shooter, the results from a $300 camera and a $3000 will likely be very similar, especially if shooting in auto mode in good light. However an experienced photographer knows how to use an expensive camera's greater capability. The OP's general statement that there is no apparent advantage to getting an expensive body is based on his obviously limited experience and understanding of the subject. I think that's the issue that most of us are speaking to.

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Nov 18, 2014 09:56:32   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
Revet wrote:
When I started this hobby, I bought the Nikon D3100. I have used it for 3 years now and I have taken the advice of other Hogs and fellow Nikonites. I purchased better glass and fully learned that D3100 first even though I wanted to upgrade to a better body a couple months after I started. It has turned out to be good advise and I have gotten more reliable good photos instead of just the occasional lucky one.

Over the last year, however, there have been numerous occasions where I wish I had more features than the D3100 offers. Now I feel I am ready to move up to the D7100 (I actually purchased it yesterday but will not open the box until Christmas!!!!). No matter what camera or glass you have, I think it is good advise to learn how to get good pictures with the equipment you have before purchasing the higher end stuff thinking that would make you a better photographer (which it will if you are ready for it!!)
When I started this hobby, I bought the Nikon D310... (show quote)


Dude, open the box already!!

:mrgreen:

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Nov 18, 2014 09:58:09   #
emmons267 Loc: Arizona, Valley of the Sun
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Most people would think that $300 is too much to spend on a camera. Then you have the folks on UHH, where a tripod accessory for $300 doesn't seem extravagant. :D


:thumbup: :-D

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Nov 18, 2014 10:05:47   #
emmons267 Loc: Arizona, Valley of the Sun
 
SharpShooter wrote:

Jim, go to my profile and click on my list of topics created. Then to, prize winning shoots. The very first shot I posted(from China) was shot with a P&S. That shot has garnered me some high prestige, but I can't sell it in anything bigger than 11x14. It just doesn't have the resolution.


Great picture...I really like the color and composition.

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Nov 18, 2014 10:20:29   #
Buckeye Loc: Dayton, OH.
 
Jim Bianco wrote:
Why buy an expensive camera if you are going to process them anyway,just buy a 300.00 camera you could make the pics just as good. Jim Bianco


Some people take pictures. Others make photographs.

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Nov 18, 2014 10:20:56   #
Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California
 
Jim Bianco wrote:
Why buy an expensive camera if you are going to process them anyway,just buy a 300.00 camera you could make the pics just as good. Jim Bianco


Hello Jim,

Obviously quoted from a novice. As you improve your abilities, you will gain an appreciation for quality equipment and how they can better fulfill your needs. You can continue to use your $300 camera, but others have the right to buy whatever they please.

Why by a car, when you could walk or ride a bike?

Why would you want to make a ludicrise statement like this?
:thumbup:

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Nov 18, 2014 11:09:45   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Jim Bianco wrote:
Why buy an expensive camera if you are going to process them anyway,just buy a 300.00 camera you could make the pics just as good. Jim Bianco



How much expensive is, depends on ones budget, I guess. But as to your question, what kind and how expensive of a camera you want depends on your photographic needs. I would say that if one is not a serious photographer or professional photog, a real expensive camera may not be what you need, and you may not ever use a lot of its features, so it could be a big waste of money. If, on the other hand, you want a camera to take pics of the kids, grandkids, family functions, or to records a great vacation trip, and you're not going to do a bunch of post processing to blow images up to 16X20 for framing, a "$300.00" camera will probably be just the ticket for your needs.

My advice is to evaluate what your photographic needs are and buy a camera that will meet those needs. I am currently looking at two cameras: one is a $300.00 Canon SX700HS that seems to be pretty versatile with full manual controls if needed. The other is a Sony A5000 mirrorless APS-C camera that is quite a step up, with interchangeable lenses. It's much more advanced. I am looking at that only because Costco currently has it for sale at a greatly reduced price, just over $400.00. Both would satisfy my needs, but what I'm really battling is my "wants."

Again, ask yourself what you really need out of a camera and go with that idea. And good luck and have fun camera shopping.

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Nov 18, 2014 11:16:23   #
cneajna Loc: Port Angeles, WA
 
Jim Bianco wrote:
Why buy an expensive camera if you are going to process them anyway,just buy a 300.00 camera you could make the pics just as good. Jim Bianco


I didn't read ALL the replies so I may be repeating something similar already pointed out.... however, a $300 camera may not shoot in RAW or have a full-size sensor. Probably the single most important thing in getting a good shot (besides the talent of the person behind the lens). Yeah, if you don't really care and want to spend a lot of your time refining a pic post-processing then buy the $300 camera. I own some... they take good pictures for casual shooting where graininess doesn't matter much (candid photos, etc).
Anyway, that's just a couple reasons why, I have no doubt someone will point out some others. And it's just my opinion, I could be wrong. :)

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Nov 18, 2014 11:27:53   #
david2day Loc: Central Coast, Calif.
 
MT Shooter has spoken. No need to read further.

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Nov 18, 2014 11:37:00   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
in the end it's you who decides if a $300.00 camera fills all your needs.

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Nov 18, 2014 11:49:53   #
mmeador
 
If you have never used an upper end camera, DON'T. I started with a Kodak Instamatic and was very happy. Then, a friend let me use his Nikon F. It has been down hill ever since. I spent more than $300.00 on my tripod. Just saying.

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Nov 18, 2014 11:58:51   #
coot Loc: Evansville, IN.
 
Hi John. You are correct. The thing I really do like about the new digital cameras is that folks can take as many shots as they like, which is really great. I also think it is wonderful that no longer do people waist time and money with film processing to be able to see their results. I was not criticizing new technology, just how poorly manual operation usage is implemented on lower priced cameras.

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