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Mar 3, 2012 15:52:16   #
pinkycat Loc: The Garden State
 
I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but ... when shooting CANDID shots at a large venue, do I need releases? I'm sure I will have some good opportunities. Just want to be prepared.

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Mar 3, 2012 16:01:26   #
rambler Loc: Masssachusetts
 
You can save yourself a lot of grief and objections when taking candid shots of kids you do not know. A quick hello to the parents usually breaks the ice. Something like, "Wow, what a cute kid, mind if I snap some pics?" is usually enough. If you meet resistance, smile say you understand and move on.

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Mar 3, 2012 16:14:34   #
Carioca
 
pinkycat wrote:
I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but ... when shooting CANDID shots at a large venue, do I need releases? I'm sure I will have some good opportunities. Just want to be prepared.


If you intend to use the photos for commercial purposes, you need a release from each and every one.

You don't need a release to shoot, but you do need one to sell the photo for commercial use.

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Mar 3, 2012 17:53:15   #
Roger Salls Loc: Stratford, CT
 
These days people tend to get very sensitive about your shooting children, particularly when there is no real purpose to the image, new or a formal portrait. If your in a public building at a public event and you're shooting the flowers and someone is in frame it's not generally a big deal. If you're is a hotel and it's a private event where you're just another attendee it can be another story.
I was shooting in a local YMCA for their capital campaign today, showing people and facilities and we got permission from everyone we shot. While there I was shooting in the fitness center when a woman came up and said "I don't want you taking any picture of me", I hadn't done any of her and said so, she looked at me ands said, "Why not!", go figure. Every child I shot was only shot after written permission of a parent.
pinkycat wrote:
I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but ... when shooting CANDID shots at a large venue, do I need releases? I'm sure I will have some good opportunities. Just want to be prepared.

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Mar 3, 2012 18:39:13   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Roger Salls wrote:
These days people tend to get very sensitive about your shooting children, particularly when there is no real purpose to the image, new or a formal portrait. If your in a public building at a public event and you're shooting the flowers and someone is in frame it's not generally a big deal. If you're is a hotel and it's a private event where you're just another attendee it can be another story.
I was shooting in a local YMCA for their capital campaign today, showing people and facilities and we got permission from everyone we shot. While there I was shooting in the fitness center when a woman came up and said "I don't want you taking any picture of me", I hadn't done any of her and said so, she looked at me ands said, "Why not!", go figure. Every child I shot was only shot after written permission of a parent.
pinkycat wrote:
I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but ... when shooting CANDID shots at a large venue, do I need releases? I'm sure I will have some good opportunities. Just want to be prepared.
These days people tend to get very sensitive about... (show quote)


I have heard that DisneyWorld has employees that do nothing but walk around looking for people taking pictures of children.

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Mar 3, 2012 18:49:10   #
Roger Salls Loc: Stratford, CT
 
Never without permission, a big thing is children in protective custody. I was a zoo a few years ago and shooting for the zoo when a lady came running up to me and said that I couldn't photograph the mothers and children I had just shot because they were under the custody and protection of the courts. She shower me her ID and I showed her the images and showed her as I deleted them.

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Mar 3, 2012 19:13:05   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Carioca wrote:
pinkycat wrote:
I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but ... when shooting CANDID shots at a large venue, do I need releases? I'm sure I will have some good opportunities. Just want to be prepared.


If you intend to use the photos for commercial purposes, you need a release from each and every one.

You don't need a release to shoot, but you do need one to sell the photo for commercial use.


ONLY if you use the shot to SELL ANOTHER PRODUCT.

You can print the shot....sell it, post it, use it....and that's legal.

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Mar 4, 2012 10:12:17   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
I have been shooting since 1957. Now that's a long time. I have even had some published in major media. I have taken pics of people and buildings and trees and other things. I have never been sued or questioned about shooting anything.

Why all this concern on this site about the legal aspects of shooting? Has anyone on this site been sued and if so why and did you lose or was the case tossed?

What is behind this bugaboo?

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Mar 4, 2012 10:15:29   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
ole sarg wrote:
I have been shooting since 1957. Now that's a long time. I have even had some published in major media. I have taken pics of people and buildings and trees and other things. I have never been sued or questioned about shooting anything.

Why all this concern on this site about the legal aspects of shooting? Has anyone on this site been sued and if so why and did you lose or was the case tossed?

What is behind this bugaboo?

LOL...This it's another "UGH'ism"...I've never seen this level of timidity in the legalities of photography on any other photo forum.

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Mar 4, 2012 10:44:47   #
xpane
 
rpavich wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
I have been shooting since 1957. Now that's a long time. I have even had some published in major media. I have taken pics of people and buildings and trees and other things. I have never been sued or questioned about shooting anything.

Why all this concern on this site about the legal aspects of shooting? Has anyone on this site been sued and if so why and did you lose or was the case tossed?

What is behind this bugaboo?

LOL...This it's another "UGH'ism"...I've never seen this level of timidity in the legalities of photography on any other photo forum.
quote=ole sarg I have been shooting since 1957. N... (show quote)


Me too. Whenever I shoot any event or location, people tend to be courteous and either step out of the way, or they don't mind being in the picture. I have never asked them for permission. I don't take pictures of their children, unless the kids start posing and the parents start beaming. Taking pictures is fun and rewarding, it shouldn't turn into some legal battle. James

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Mar 4, 2012 11:57:56   #
jolly1
 
What's happened to this forum is that a third of the people here don't know what they are talking about when it comes to laws, etc. Another third are scared to death of taking pictures because of what the first third has told them. The last third are true professionals and ignore the first third and simply feel sorry for the second third.

Now where's that print shop that makes up the model and property releases. I'm on my way to New York City, and I understand I need hundreds of releases. I hear tell that there one can be arrested for taking a photo of a dog peeing on a fire plug if they don't have a signed release from both the Fire Department and the dog's owner. Oh well,
have a nice day.

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Mar 4, 2012 12:17:48   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
jolly1 wrote:
What's happened to this forum is that a third of the people here don't know what they are talking about when it comes to laws, etc. Another third are scared to death of taking pictures because of what the first third has told them. The last third are true professionals and ignore the first third and simply feel sorry for the second third.

Now where's that print shop that makes up the model and property releases. I'm on my way to New York City, and I understand I need hundreds of releases. I hear tell that there one can be arrested for taking a photo of a dog peeing on a fire plug if they don't have a signed release from both the Fire Department and the dog's owner. Oh well,
have a nice day.
What's happened to this forum is that a third of t... (show quote)


only if you or the dog are Muslim

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Mar 4, 2012 12:27:15   #
Carioca
 
http://www.free-legal-document.com/photography-contracts.html

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The basis in law that necessitates the need for these legal forms is an individual's right to privacy. It boils down to how photos will be used. If it is used publicly i.e. published in any way - whether for financial gain or not - you may need a signed model release form.

The photographer may not need a release for photo's that are viewed in private. You generally do not need a model release if the person is not identifiable, if it is for a news article, educational material or photo exhibition. If you are unsure, consult with an attorney or get a release anyway.

The moment the photographer uses the photo publicly, or sells or licenses it to a third party for public or commercial use, a model release becomes necessary. Examples of this use would be websites, brochures, advertisements, posters, calendars etc.

You will need a release whether the person being photographed is a professional model or not and even when they are unaware of being photographed. If they are identifiable in the photo, you need a release for public use. A written agreement offers the best defense in a lawsuit and unlike a verbal agreement, cannot be easily disputed.
The basis in law that necessitates the need for th... (show quote)

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Mar 4, 2012 12:30:18   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Carioca wrote:
http://www.free-legal-document.com/photography-contracts.html

Quote:
The basis in law that necessitates the need for these legal forms is an individual's right to privacy. It boils down to how photos will be used. If it is used publicly i.e. published in any way - whether for financial gain or not - you may need a signed model release form.

The photographer may not need a release for photo's that are viewed in private. You generally do not need a model release if the person is not identifiable, if it is for a news article, educational material or photo exhibition. If you are unsure, consult with an attorney or get a release anyway.

The moment the photographer uses the photo publicly, or sells or licenses it to a third party for public or commercial use, a model release becomes necessary. Examples of this use would be websites, brochures, advertisements, posters, calendars etc.

You will need a release whether the person being photographed is a professional model or not and even when they are unaware of being photographed. If they are identifiable in the photo, you need a release for public use. A written agreement offers the best defense in a lawsuit and unlike a verbal agreement, cannot be easily disputed.
The basis in law that necessitates the need for th... (show quote)
http://www.free-legal-document.com/photography-con... (show quote)


and for every one of posts with this point of view I can find the opposite.

That's why this forum isn't a good place to suss out legal matters.

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Mar 4, 2012 13:35:48   #
xpane
 
rpavich wrote:
Carioca wrote:
http://www.free-legal-document.com/photography-contracts.html

Quote:
The basis in law that necessitates the need for these legal forms is an individual's right to privacy. It boils down to how photos will be used. If it is used publicly i.e. published in any way - whether for financial gain or not - you may need a signed model release form.

The photographer may not need a release for photo's that are viewed in private. You generally do not need a model release if the person is not identifiable, if it is for a news article, educational material or photo exhibition. If you are unsure, consult with an attorney or get a release anyway.

The moment the photographer uses the photo publicly, or sells or licenses it to a third party for public or commercial use, a model release becomes necessary. Examples of this use would be websites, brochures, advertisements, posters, calendars etc.

You will need a release whether the person being photographed is a professional model or not and even when they are unaware of being photographed. If they are identifiable in the photo, you need a release for public use. A written agreement offers the best defense in a lawsuit and unlike a verbal agreement, cannot be easily disputed.
The basis in law that necessitates the need for th... (show quote)
http://www.free-legal-document.com/photography-con... (show quote)


and for every one of posts with this point of view I can find the opposite.

That's why this forum isn't a good place to suss out legal matters.
quote=Carioca http://www.free-legal-document.com/... (show quote)


It does evoke a certain amount of information on the subject, if not to incite, but to educate on some levels of curiosity some of us have concerning issues a small minority might have against being photographed, however misconceived in their views. Just saying

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