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Oct 4, 2014 17:25:58   #
redrocktom Loc: Sedona
 
Dngallagher wrote:
I found years ago that I got tired of the typical PC Windows slow downs - constant virus attacks, malware, disk defragging, reinstalls, virus protection updates, updates every "patch tuesday", driver issues, 18 month replacement cycle, so I went to LINUX, then finally to Mac.... I do not regret going Mac at all wish I had done it sooner. I can say my first Mac, being almost 10 years old runs as fast today as it ever did - not one windows PC can claim something like that. If Windows is booted up, it is slowing down :)

You are right about the OS for sure - NOTHING will ever beatout a UNIX based system for performance.
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Totally agree with you Don. Had a Dell PC with the best internet security software at that time (Norton), but like you grew weary of all the slowdowns the antivirus caused running in the background, and the constant downloading of new antivirus updates. Then even with this software, a trojan got through and disabled my computer. Several hundred dollars later and no progress in deleting the virus, I said that's it. Bought a Mac in 2008 and never looked back. No security software for the Mac, but no problems in 6 years. Also love the ease of using the OS. Told the guys at the Apple store it was like moving from driving a dump truck to driving a Ferrari. Like you, wish I had made the switch earlier, and will never go back to a PC. For me the cost premium is well worth it.

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Oct 4, 2014 17:34:58   #
davidheald1942 Loc: Mars (the planet)
 
doduce wrote:
I started out with a Mac years ago and was an ardent loyalist for a long time--now I have Samsung desktop and laptop. I'm considering a new laptop and looking hard at a Lenovo Y50UHD. My thought is that the margin between the Mac and Win products--both software and hardware-- has narrowed considerable. Display resolution is most important to me for the limited post processing I do on the road and there are MANY laptops out there that absolutely crush Macs in terms of resolution. All the software runs on both these days, so that Mac advantage is gone as well. I'm not sure of the back story about why Aperture went away, but that might indicate a troubling trend.
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I thought the software advantage was always in favor of the PC.
ronny

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Oct 4, 2014 17:44:13   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
Is this a Mac Owners Association club site or what? All of this is typical cliche Mac loyalist jabbering.

A PC laptop with broken hinges, delaminating screen, and broken connectors? Come on... what does she do with it, use it for Frisbee throwing contests with the cord still connected? Any computer with that many problems is simply being abused.

My H-P laptop with Vista 64-bit is 6 going on 7 years old and works perfectly today like it always has. My brother has and daily uses my former Dell laptop with Windows XP that is headed toward 9 years old. My wife has a small 3-year-old Acer notebook with Windows 7 64-bit that she and my 4 year old use about 12 hours a day and it's running perfectly despite having been dropped once and part of a cup of milk being poured on the chicklet keyboard. The worst breakdown I have ever encountered on a PC laptop is a key that stopped working and a USB port that quit.

Every laptop, including Apples, are made in China (even my old Apple IIc in the mid-1980s was Chinese) so you can't say Mac is better built than PC - or PC is better built than Mac. They're all made out of the same crappy materials that are spit out of the same crappy materials plants. Motherboards made in the same factories, CPU chips from the same Intel factories, RAM memory made in the same place, hard drives are bought from the same manufacturers, etc.

Love an Apple Retina display? Try a current Samsung monitor and notice it's just as good or better for less. Love your iPad? Check out an Android Samsung tablet that blows it away in every thing it does, is a larger screen, and costs less. Love your overpriced Apple iPhone 6? Try a Samsung and see how the job gets done right with better sound for far less money.

In reality, if you've spent years on PCs and Windows, it makes sense to continue with what you know because you are experienced. Two button mouse functions alone are worth keeping. Both brands use Intel CPUs. Mac's are simply too expensive with little or no gain other than the "prestige factor" of joining this underground Mac Owners Association existing within 10% of the personal computer market while PCs are 90% of the market. You can buy two nicely equipped PC laptops for the price of one Mac.

I have nothing against Mac computers and would even consider buying one of the Air laptops because it's so thin and they look nice but give me a break. I'm always appalled to see high school computer labs full of Mac computers which means the students who learn on them must start over as soon as they graduate because almost every job they could get requires experience on a PC instead. The reason? Because teachers are Apple snobs and the school receives one free one from Apple for every 10 purchased - that the teaching and administrative staff get to keep for themselves.

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Oct 4, 2014 20:08:46   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
marcomarks wrote:
Is this a Mac Owners Association club site or what? All of this is typical cliche Mac loyalist jabbering.

A PC laptop with broken hinges, delaminating screen, and broken connectors? Come on... what does she do with it, use it for Frisbee throwing contests with the cord still connected? Any computer with that many problems is simply being abused.

My H-P laptop with Vista 64-bit is 6 going on 7 years old and works perfectly today like it always has. My brother has and daily uses my former Dell laptop with Windows XP that is headed toward 9 years old. My wife has a small 3-year-old Acer notebook with Windows 7 64-bit that she and my 4 year old use about 12 hours a day and it's running perfectly despite having been dropped once and part of a cup of milk being poured on the chicklet keyboard. The worst breakdown I have ever encountered on a PC laptop is a key that stopped working and a USB port that quit.

Every laptop, including Apples, are made in China (even my old Apple IIc in the mid-1980s was Chinese) so you can't say Mac is better built than PC - or PC is better built than Mac. They're all made out of the same crappy materials that are spit out of the same crappy materials plants. Motherboards made in the same factories, CPU chips from the same Intel factories, RAM memory made in the same place, hard drives are bought from the same manufacturers, etc.

Love an Apple Retina display? Try a current Samsung monitor and notice it's just as good or better for less. Love your iPad? Check out an Android Samsung tablet that blows it away in every thing it does, is a larger screen, and costs less. Love your overpriced Apple iPhone 6? Try a Samsung and see how the job gets done right with better sound for far less money.

In reality, if you've spent years on PCs and Windows, it makes sense to continue with what you know because you are experienced. Two button mouse functions alone are worth keeping. Both brands use Intel CPUs. Mac's are simply too expensive with little or no gain other than the "prestige factor" of joining this underground Mac Owners Association existing within 10% of the personal computer market while PCs are 90% of the market. You can buy two nicely equipped PC laptops for the price of one Mac.

I have nothing against Mac computers and would even consider buying one of the Air laptops because it's so thin and they look nice but give me a break. I'm always appalled to see high school computer labs full of Mac computers which means the students who learn on them must start over as soon as they graduate because almost every job they could get requires experience on a PC instead. The reason? Because teachers are Apple snobs and the school receives one free one from Apple for every 10 purchased - that the teaching and administrative staff get to keep for themselves.
Is this a Mac Owners Association club site or what... (show quote)


OR, typical cliche PC loyalist jabbering.... yep, goes both ways...
:)

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Oct 4, 2014 20:11:18   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
redrocktom wrote:
Totally agree with you Don. Had a Dell PC with the best internet security software at that time (Norton), but like you grew weary of all the slowdowns the antivirus caused running in the background, and the constant downloading of new antivirus updates. Then even with this software, a trojan got through and disabled my computer. Several hundred dollars later and no progress in deleting the virus, I said that's it. Bought a Mac in 2008 and never looked back. No security software for the Mac, but no problems in 6 years. Also love the ease of using the OS. Told the guys at the Apple store it was like moving from driving a dump truck to driving a Ferrari. Like you, wish I had made the switch earlier, and will never go back to a PC. For me the cost premium is well worth it.
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Yep, once you see the way it can be you want it... spend less time fixing and tweaking, just doing.

Well worth paying that Apple Tax ;)

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Oct 4, 2014 23:38:10   #
jack schade Loc: La Pine Oregon
 
Mac is solid state. Makes a difference in longjevety.

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Oct 5, 2014 09:07:27   #
Vanderpix Loc: New Jersey
 
marcomarks wrote:
Is this a Mac Owners Association club site or what? All of this is typical cliche Mac loyalist jabbering.

A PC laptop with broken hinges, delaminating screen, and broken connectors? Come on... what does she do with it, use it for Frisbee throwing contests with the cord still connected? Any computer with that many problems is simply being abused.

My H-P laptop with Vista 64-bit is 6 going on 7 years old and works perfectly today like it always has. My brother has and daily uses my former Dell laptop with Windows XP that is headed toward 9 years old. My wife has a small 3-year-old Acer notebook with Windows 7 64-bit that she and my 4 year old use about 12 hours a day and it's running perfectly despite having been dropped once and part of a cup of milk being poured on the chicklet keyboard. The worst breakdown I have ever encountered on a PC laptop is a key that stopped working and a USB port that quit.

Every laptop, including Apples, are made in China (even my old Apple IIc in the mid-1980s was Chinese) so you can't say Mac is better built than PC - or PC is better built than Mac. They're all made out of the same crappy materials that are spit out of the same crappy materials plants. Motherboards made in the same factories, CPU chips from the same Intel factories, RAM memory made in the same place, hard drives are bought from the same manufacturers, etc.

Love an Apple Retina display? Try a current Samsung monitor and notice it's just as good or better for less. Love your iPad? Check out an Android Samsung tablet that blows it away in every thing it does, is a larger screen, and costs less. Love your overpriced Apple iPhone 6? Try a Samsung and see how the job gets done right with better sound for far less money.

In reality, if you've spent years on PCs and Windows, it makes sense to continue with what you know because you are experienced. Two button mouse functions alone are worth keeping. Both brands use Intel CPUs. Mac's are simply too expensive with little or no gain other than the "prestige factor" of joining this underground Mac Owners Association existing within 10% of the personal computer market while PCs are 90% of the market. You can buy two nicely equipped PC laptops for the price of one Mac.

I have nothing against Mac computers and would even consider buying one of the Air laptops because it's so thin and they look nice but give me a break. I'm always appalled to see high school computer labs full of Mac computers which means the students who learn on them must start over as soon as they graduate because almost every job they could get requires experience on a PC instead. The reason? Because teachers are Apple snobs and the school receives one free one from Apple for every 10 purchased - that the teaching and administrative staff get to keep for themselves.
Is this a Mac Owners Association club site or what... (show quote)


I concur! I would rather spend my money on my camera and lenses then overpaying for an Apple whose advantages, for me, are marginal

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Oct 5, 2014 11:59:58   #
bob fleer Loc: Annapolis, MD
 
it looks like i opened can of worms like nikon vs canon. anyway thank you for all the input, i will just mull it over and see what goes. so far it is all as clear as mud

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Oct 5, 2014 12:04:29   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
bob fleer wrote:
it looks like i opened can of worms like nikon vs canon. anyway thank you for all the input, i will just mull it over and see what goes. so far it is all as clear as mud


:D Yep...

Apple vs Windows
Apple vs PC
Raw vs Jpg
Nef/CR2 vs DNG
Ford vs Chevy
Nikon vs Canon

Take your pick ;)

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Oct 5, 2014 15:15:30   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
bob fleer wrote:
it looks like i opened can of worms like nikon vs canon. anyway thank you for all the input, i will just mull it over and see what goes. so far it is all as clear as mud


This is a can that now adays has a screw on lid so it can be opened repeatedly. It's been debated numerous times for numerous pages, usually with wrath and vileness from both sides thrown in for good measure.

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Oct 5, 2014 20:47:59   #
Vanderpix Loc: New Jersey
 
To take down the tension, I offer this. A computer, like your camera, is a tool. What you use depends on what is most comfortable for you and your budget. If what ever system you use gives you the results you seek, that is the right system for you. Mac or PC, Canon or Nikon all give great results if you know how to use them and they make your job fun and not a chore. :-D

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Oct 5, 2014 21:17:44   #
MTG44 Loc: Corryton, Tennessee
 
I have had three pc's and my MacPro is by the best and easiest to use.

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Oct 5, 2014 22:36:33   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
I used to work for a large company that was all Windows except for one division that was all Mac. I brought my own Mac into the office since I despised the Windows crap. The IT guys were in my office one day and remarked at how they were terrified of Macs. It was explained to me that the division that was all Apple ran on a fraction of the IT help needed by the rest of the organization and if the company were ever to switch to Macs (not remotely possible) that they would be able to lay off at least 50-60% of the IT staff.

His worlds were along the lines of, "...you plug the damn things in and they just work."

So...cheaper to buy...WAAAAAY more expensive to operate - on a corporate level. Those guys were always in the offices screwing around with one thing or another. Although I had help from that Mac division IT group if I needed it, I never needed them except to order or update software.

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Oct 5, 2014 22:53:19   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Comparing specs: Ram, Chips, Processing speed, etc., is like comparing a Nissan Versa to a BMW 335 and saying the Nissan has 4 wheels, steering wheel, an engine, auto transmission, and all-glass windows. So the Nissan is really the same as the BMW.

In many respects it is - it will get you to the grocery store and back exactly like the BMW. In other respects there is no comparison.

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