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Sep 23, 2014 22:44:27   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
SteveR wrote:
That, though, could be confusing. The circle that I posted is what helped me to understand the whole crop, full frame thing. It's what made the light bulb go on.


Yep - there is plenty of confusion to go around in this stuff....

Looking at the actual image that hits the sensor, or more accurately, all around the sensor is eye opening.

Handy link for sure....saved in Evernote! :)

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Sep 24, 2014 06:05:07   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
TrickyDick wrote:
I have read UHH for some time, but am participating now for the first time.

I have a Nikon D5200 and recently purchased a Sigma Zoom 50-500mm f4.5-6.3 FX lense. Several reasons:

1. General quality of FX over DX lenses;
2. I can upgrade to FF later and still use the lense if I want.
3. My belief that given the same lense, the FX will give me 750mm from the center of the lense and project it onto the full D5200 sensor still using all 24mp. That same lense on a FF body with 24mp sensor would have to be cropped to the 750mm view and loose some of the pixels and therefore quality because it is using just part of the FF sensor results. Thus, I assume, generally speaking, is that this FX lense on an APS-C body would probably result in a slightly sharper photo for the 750mm distance or view.

Am I right about #3 above?

I am also curious as to your thoughts on this body and lense combination.
I have read UHH for some time, but am participatin... (show quote)


Mostly right, but with a few additional considerations:

1 and 2. Kit/consumer grade FX lenses are ok on DX. If you intend to get FX in the future, make sure you stay clear of the turkeys. Nikon makes some very good consumer FX lenses, but the 28-300 is not one of them.

3. First sentence is absolutely correct. Second sentence, not necessarily. True you give up some pixels if you crop on the FF camera to give you similar framing, but a crop image is "physically" smaller, and to print an uncropped image from a DX to the same size as the FX image "cropped to the same apparent angle of view" as the DX, you will have to magnify (enlarge) the image to a greater degree, and you give away some of that increase in pixel count as it corresponds to image quality to enlargment-related amplifying of lens flaws and technique (motion blur, focus error, etc). Side by side at 16x20 you might think that the cropped FX actually looks better than the DX. You will have to test it for yourself, but that was my experience when I went from a D300 to a D700. I shoot wildlife and birds with a very long lens, and despite the few pixels when cropped, the D700 images were noticeably better than the D300 ones.

Most FX primes, even those from 3rd parties, are really good on DX.

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Sep 24, 2014 06:31:41   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
The Nikon Lens Simulator is very good. You can spend hours playing around with bodies and lenses, and it won't cost you anything but time.

http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/lens/simulator/

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Sep 24, 2014 06:35:51   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
Dngallagher wrote:
Yes, a DX sensor has a 1.5 crop factor so 500 mm lens = 500x1.5=750 mm in 35 mm speak ;)

It will actually spill over the DX sensor, as the FX lens projects a larger image...but the DX sensor will be getting an image from the "sweet spot" of the FX lens...

I have several FX lenses that I use on a DX body, work fine....

This from the Nikon site sums it up....

http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Learn-And-Explore/Article/g588ouey/the-dx-and-fx-formats.html


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

You have summed it up well although there will be tons that try to state it differently and say that it 'isn't equivalent to a 750mm lens but is just cropping the 500mm in the middle. Nikon Canon and others call it a multiplier in order to simplify the description and I have to agree that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is probably in the duck family. So you are right on.

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Sep 24, 2014 09:04:23   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
DavidPine wrote:
An FX will work very well on a ASP-C. The crop factor of 1.5 is not a zoom but is an estimated field of view.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Sep 24, 2014 09:48:52   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
TrickyDick wrote:
I have read UHH for some time, but am participating now for the first time.

I have a Nikon D5200 and recently purchased a Sigma Zoom 50-500mm f4.5-6.3 FX lense. Several reasons:

1. General quality of FX over DX lenses;
2. I can upgrade to FF later and still use the lense if I want.
3. My belief that given the same lense, the FX will give me 750mm from the center of the lense and project it onto the full D5200 sensor still using all 24mp. That same lense on a FF body with 24mp sensor would have to be cropped to the 750mm view and loose some of the pixels and therefore quality because it is using just part of the FF sensor results. Thus, I assume, generally speaking, is that this FX lense on an APS-C body would probably result in a slightly sharper photo for the 750mm distance or view.

Am I right about #3 above?

I am also curious as to your thoughts on this body and lense combination.
I have read UHH for some time, but am participatin... (show quote)


Yes, you are right on #3.

A D8xx uses a little less than 16 MP in DX mode. A D6xx about 10MP.

Some suggest you also get a slightly sharper pic when using an FX lens on a DX camera because it uses the center less curved part of the lens which is generally thought to be more precise. I don't know if there is any truth to that or, if there was, if could see the difference.

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Sep 24, 2014 09:50:20   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Gene51 wrote:
Nikon makes some very good consumer FX lenses, but the 28-300 is not one of them.



Most owners of the 28-300, like myself, love it for its versatility.



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Sep 24, 2014 10:15:54   #
NJphotodoc Loc: Now in the First State
 
I tried both manufacturer and 3rd party FX lens on my D7000, I really did not see any better images, just larger given the smaller sensor. If you are going to eventually move to something like a D750, then this is a smart choice. Otherwise, no real advantage and you will lose the wider angle shots.

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Sep 24, 2014 10:58:51   #
TrickyDick
 
Thanks for all the help and comments. UHH is a great place to share and learn.

My conclusion is FX on DX cameras use the center sweet spot and keeps more pixels than comparable FX to FX for the same view and lens. Thus the quality should be better, but perhaps not by much.

No, I am not going to upgrade. I just wanted the best lens for the money. Also, for wide-angle I can go down to 50mm on that lens. I also have a DX 18-55mm and DX 55-300mm.

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Sep 24, 2014 12:08:09   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
MtnMan wrote:
Most owners of the 28-300, like myself, love it for its versatility.


My experience, with three different copies, has been different. My work demands higher performance, which, as much as I wanted to find in the 28-300, sadly was not there. Hey, I tried three different lenses, one belonging to a friend, and 2 borrowed from NPS. The results were almost ok for posting on line, but really fell short for print purposes. Glad your lens meets your needs.

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Sep 24, 2014 15:16:59   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
At the wide angle end, some serious optical obstacles have to be overcome to get good performance from a DX lens mounted on a full frame mirror box. ( overly large sensor to lens distance) .....on the other hand, using the sweet spot of a full frame wide angle lens on DX is highly advantageous .....ALL lenses over 250mm that I am aware of are FF -FX , there are NO long lens APSC/DX options?

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Sep 24, 2014 15:22:30   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
imagemeister wrote:
At the wide angle end, some serious optical obstacles have to be overcome to get good performance from a DX lens mounted on a full frame mirror box. ( overly large sensor to lens distance) .....on the other hand, using the sweet spot of a full frame wide angle lens on DX is highly advantageous .....ALL lenses over 250mm that I am aware of are FF -FX , there are NO long lens APSC/DX options?


FYI Nikon lists 2 that are DX lenses... 18-300 & 55-300...

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Sep 24, 2014 15:57:10   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Dngallagher wrote:
FYI Nikon lists 2 that are DX lenses... 18-300 & 55-300...


Thanks, I thought there would be some I missed !.......

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Sep 24, 2014 19:07:36   #
CraigFair Loc: Santa Maria, CA.
 
[quote=Gene51]Mostly right, but with a few additional considerations:

1 and 2. Kit/consumer grade FX lenses are ok on DX. If you intend to get FX in the future, make sure you stay clear of the turkeys. Nikon makes some very good consumer FX lenses, but the 28-300 is not one of them.

From experience I agree with Gene, the 28-300 FX Lens was fantastic on my D5300 DX but when I moved up to the D600 FX it just could not make the grade any more.
Craig

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Sep 24, 2014 19:13:50   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
imagemeister wrote:
At the wide angle end, some serious optical obstacles have to be overcome to get good performance from a DX lens mounted on a full frame mirror box. ( overly large sensor to lens distance) .....on the other hand, using the sweet spot of a full frame wide angle lens on DX is highly advantageous .....ALL lenses over 250mm that I am aware of are FF -FX , there are NO long lens APSC/DX options?

There are no DX zooms with a focal length longer than 55mm at the wide end. There are 55-200mm and 55-300mm DX lenses, but no 100-400mm DX lenses. As far as I know, other DX zooms are 18mm or wider at the wide end, including the typical 18-55mm and the superzoom 18-300mm. The only DX prime beyond 50mm which I know of is the 85mm macro.

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