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Aug 22, 2014 12:56:53   #
RedAdmiral Loc: Humboldt County, California
 
rpavich wrote:
Too bad no Anti-Christian on this thread will actually deal with what's stated specifically in the video.

They think that dismissal and derision constitute arguments for their position...that's the true ignorance.

While I don't necessarily agree that the points made in the video constitute any "proof" for the Christian position, I do agree that it makes some good points that I would call "confirmations" of the Christian position.

"proof" or lack thereof is in the eyes of the evaluator and since we both (Christians and non-christians) have that same "evidence" as outlined in the video, we both will interpret what is said based on our own predetermined position...our "presuppositions" if you will.

So how DO we evaluate which side is valid and which is not?

I think that the answer lies in the worldview that can rationally and logically offer the basis for reality, knowledge, morality, and even logic itself.

That would be the Christian worldview...the Atheistic worldview cannot even account for the most basic of human experience if kept within it's own worldview.

I'm driven by the evidence, to the Christian view.
Too bad no Anti-Christian on this thread will actu... (show quote)


Points of video...
1) There is no life on any other [known] planet.
a) Scientists also estimate there may be billions if not trillions of planets of which we know nothing yet. Real Earthlike planets are hard to see because they're so small.
2)Abiogenesis...
a) The video states that life may have been around for almost 3 billion years. The Earth has existed for about 4.5, so it might take about 1.5 billion years for conditions to be right just one time to produce a self replicating molecule which can evolve.
3) "Genetic Lock."
a) As stated this is just not true. Mules are hybrids between horses and asses, Lions have been bred with Tigers. All domestic animals have been bred to what they are now. Dachshunds do not exist in nature but over time through a process of man made selection have been molded into what they are today.
4) No missing links.
a) Again, not true. There are bird fossils displaying primitive teeth. There are fossils of many hominids showing a progressive set of changes from smaller to larger brains,from simple tools to more complex ones.
5) The video points out the second law of thermodynamics which is a mathematical construct dealing with specific physics equations.
a) There is an external energy source driving the increasingly complex organization of the human mind. Sunlight!
6) Why are humans so much more intelligent than chimps?
a) Back a long time ago our ancestors reached a tipping point wherein we gained habits (organized, tool enhanced, hunting and food gathering) which allowed them to realize a much greater portion of their genetic potential for intelligence. Almost over night (actually in a few generations) their actual functional intelligence jumped by a very large percentage.

Evolution is complex and difficult to understand like almost all biological things. In my personal experience there are seldom simple explanations for complicated phenomena. Because you can ask a few questions to which we do not have simple answers to satisfy you, you argue that there are no answers.

Take a look at a crowd of humans. We are not all the same. There is some genetic variation in any sample. Doesn't it make sense that the ones who reproduce more successfully will, in time, outnumber those that don't?

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Aug 22, 2014 12:57:50   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
Religion is man-made. Christ was God-made. He is all the glory.

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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Aug 22, 2014 12:59:29   #
steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA
 
Spoken from the mouth, of another spiritually ignorant man. George Benard Shaw

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Aug 22, 2014 13:06:45   #
CA_CanonUser Loc: Friendswood, TX
 
To the one who mentioned astronauts, I happen to know several astronauts well, and many of them are very devout Christians who do not accept the Theory of evolution as valid science. One of these is presently preparing for his third 6-month tour on the International Space Station, so I am talking about extremely intelligent folks.

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Aug 22, 2014 13:26:55   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Frank T wrote:
Please stop. Too Funny!!!
Really got a good laugh from that video.
Do you have one where god makes a woman from a spare rib?


Probably not, But the one where Frank T came from a rump roast is hilarious.

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Aug 22, 2014 13:34:08   #
fbluhm Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
steve40 wrote:
Spoken from the mouth, of another spiritually ignorant man. George Benard Shaw


I take it, you knew George personally. Doesn't the Bible say something about judging others? Or is that only when it's convenient?

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Aug 22, 2014 13:50:18   #
Rich Maher Loc: Sonoma County, CA
 
Now that's funny. You jesus-freaks are always good for a laugh.

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Aug 22, 2014 14:34:22   #
steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA
 
fbluhm wrote:
I take it, you knew George personally. Doesn't the Bible say something about judging others? Or is that only when it's convenient?


My opinion of someone's spiritual condition, is not judging. It can be based on knowing you personally, or by your words, spoken or written. As someone said, I am not judging, I am just a fruit inspector.

I cannot judge you by your sin, I can only tell you without faith in Jesus Christ you are lost, and condemned. Which John 3:18 plainly says.

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Aug 22, 2014 14:58:45   #
RedAdmiral Loc: Humboldt County, California
 
Face it Earth is unique among all the planets, man is unique among all creatures, and he who created them is also unique. Even God.[/quote]

We, our planet, and our existence is unique because we are here to view it and consider it. That we might have gotten here through a logical sequence of physical phenomena in no way reduces the wonder of it all.

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Aug 22, 2014 15:04:29   #
fbluhm Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
steve40 wrote:
My opinion of someone's spiritual condition, is not judging. It can be based on knowing you personally, or by your words, spoken or written. As someone said, I am not judging, I am just a fruit inspector.

I cannot judge you by your sin, I can only tell you without faith in Jesus Christ you are lost, and condemned. Which John 3:18 plainly says.


Are you certain John actually said that, or is someone attributing that line to him? After all, the scriptures were written by people who had never met Jesus or heard him speak, mush less the apostles.

The King James version of the New testament was edited by the Church of England to meet with the king's approval, and was based on translations of the thousands of copies of the scrolls, since none of the originals were available - and still aren't. I believe in God because my heart tells me to. You believe in God because the Bible says you should, and that you'll go to hell if you don't.

Don't worry about me being lost; I probably have a better idea as to where I'm going than you do.

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Aug 22, 2014 15:36:13   #
kwils Loc: Salem, Ma
 
steve40 wrote:
All of those here that strive to disprove God and the Bible, and speak out against those who are Christian. Only prove! God, and the Scriptures to be true. Because the Bible speaks of such men, mocking, and defaming God and his word in the last days. Even from times of old, before the flood Enoc spoke of these men. Thanks guys. :) :thumbup:


That's what cults do. They tell their people that some will speak against them and they direct their followers to ignore it and do not entertain any opposing views.

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Aug 22, 2014 16:04:57   #
RedAdmiral Loc: Humboldt County, California
 
Racmanaz;

I have spent a lifetime looking into the sky and under rocks, through microscopes and reading books written by some of history's most brilliant minds. I have wondered about the existence of God, and the theory of evolution.

Oh yes, I have read the Bible and been guided through it by a gifted teacher who was also a devout believer who I respected. It did not speak to me.

Is there a God? In scrupulously formal logic it is impossible to prove a negative proposition. (It is possible to prove a conflicting thing is true) Therefore I can not say there is no God. I can however agree with the French Mathematician Laplace, "I had no need for that hypothesis." (Please note; I do not take this on his authority, I merely acknowledge that his words express my thoughts better than I could.)

Can you disprove evolution? Nope, for the same reason. In your mind (as near as I can discern your thinking from your post) You believe you can prove the existence of God, and his given word is the Bible which you can quote to show the World and all its inhabitants were created in six days. Therefore, evolution is the unnecessary hypothesis.

I for one would love to have an all powerful ally who I felt was watching out for me at all times, but I suspect that is just wishful thinking.

Using the theory of evolution I can make certain predictions which can be validated through experiment and observation. My progress to Heaven or Hell cannot be validated on this plane so, I cannot "prove or disprove" anything regarding faith except that it in and of itself exists.

I have found to believe in God, Creation, and Heaven/Hell, one needs to take one thing on faith. I have never found that thing. (That does not mean it doesn't exist, but in a lifetime of searching I have yet to turn it up.) I would like to, but my desire is irrelevant.

Science works. It is a hard discipline demanding an acceptance of results regardless of your wishes or likes. Perhaps in that, it demands your soul!

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Aug 22, 2014 16:14:05   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
UXOEOD wrote:
Exactly how are you FORCING our poor resident population of nonbelievers to read your postings. The collective wisdom of Welhiem, FrankT, Gnslngr, and their follow so call progressive free thinkers, is appallingly lacking of any tolerance for you and your beliefs.

Ignore them, except for an occasional reminder that they can, if they so wish, ignore, respectfully ignore, your postings on religion. Otherwise, keep it up, and I for one will enjoy your postings.


Read the title of this thread - it's about evolution.

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Aug 22, 2014 16:23:41   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
steve40 wrote:
Your statement, about most Christians not reading the Bible is 100% correct. That is why! they will swallow anything they are fed.

As far as reading Darwin, even Science rejected Darwin at one time, that is until they fried their brains trying to think too hard. No I have not read the heretic Darwins trash, and I am not about to.

Hark!, me thinks I hear earth-worms moving about :lol:


So you reject something without having even read it? That figures. At least some of us on our side of this debate have had the misfortune of having read the bible before rejecting much of it.

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Aug 22, 2014 16:27:26   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
HEART wrote:
Religion is man-made. Christ was God-made. He is all the glory.

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


:thumbup: :thumbup: Im with you Heart. Keep it coming :)

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