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Aug 20, 2014 09:17:39   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
davidheald1942 wrote:
Do what to Cink?
ronny


From the Three Stooges, I think it was the ice delivery episode
After sliding to the bottom to the stairs, Curley (I think) says,

“If at first you don’t succeed, keep on suckin’ till you do succeed.”

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Aug 20, 2014 09:43:57   #
RKL349 Loc: Connecticut
 
jerryc41 wrote:
That's why I got FX - bigger squares. :D


Because bigger is better.........

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Aug 20, 2014 09:55:41   #
peterg Loc: Santa Rosa, CA
 
kymarto wrote:
Oh sorry! The circle is the same size--optical illusion...
It's not an optical illusion. I just looks like one! :)

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Aug 20, 2014 10:11:04   #
Ralloh Loc: Ohio
 
joer wrote:
Here is an illustration of the view between the two types of sensors.


Obviously, if you want to get the same scene, with the crop sensor you just need to move further back or adjust the zoom.

My question is, does the full frame sensor produce a sharper image? What are the actual advantages?

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Aug 20, 2014 10:12:29   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
DavidPhares wrote:
There is no error. Read the statements above to understand. This is an excellent diagram showing what you would capture from the same lens and same settings, from the same position, using a crop frame sensor vs a full frame sensor. It not a "one against the other" at all. Rather, it just shows a comparison of the area capture ability if both sensors. Thanks for sharing. I am going to save this image and use it in my teaching.

David



I am not an expert but I do feel sorry for your students. I trust they are not paying you?

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Aug 20, 2014 10:16:02   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
catfish252 wrote:
I have to disagree: the image circle from the lens fully covers the sensor when you use a FX(EF) lens on a full frame sensor or a DX(EF-S) lens on a cropped sensor -- this illustration is a better representation: It also will give you an idea why a DX(EF-S) lens will vignette on a full frame sensor


This is 100X better to use to illustrate FF sensor v/s a so called cropped sensor.

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Aug 20, 2014 10:32:23   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
joer wrote:
Here is an illustration of the view between the two types of sensors.


It is an illustration of the same lens and the area covered at the same distance. The FF has much more area capable to be used. The medium frame is much larger but with the same lens at the same distance would show the same size circle.



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Aug 20, 2014 10:32:26   #
catfish252
 
Ralloh wrote:
Obviously, if you want to get the same scene, with the crop sensor you just need to move further back or adjust the zoom.

My question is, does the full frame sensor produce a sharper image? What are the actual advantages?


This article gives a real good explanation of the advantages/disadvantages of a crop vs full sensor - what you get from both - what you don't get:

http://www.digitalcameraworld.com/2012/11/21/full-frame-sensor-size-explained-how-to-exploit-its-advantages-and-cool-effects/

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Aug 20, 2014 10:35:36   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
joer wrote:
Here is an illustration of the view between the two types of sensors.


This is the first time I’ve seen the difference explained in such a simple, easily understandable form. If not for the huge jump in cost…

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Aug 20, 2014 10:43:07   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
jerryc41 wrote:
That's why I got FX - bigger squares. :D


Right, but bigger rectangles perhaps? :thumbup:

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Aug 20, 2014 10:59:54   #
wolfd Loc: Vancouver, Canada
 
Crop or Crap?? Zack has some interesting points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHYidejT3KY

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Aug 20, 2014 11:16:09   #
shangyrhee Loc: Nashville TN to Sacramento CA
 
Thank you so much for sharing info, I think it is the best illustration that I have seen. :-D

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Aug 20, 2014 11:36:23   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
rehess wrote:
Few people argue that there is a difference between the two, but for some this may help explain the telephoto thing.

++++++++++++++++

YES!!!

I make use of a Tamron 150-600 on my two cameras:

On the "full-frame" sensor of the Canon 5D Mark II I can (at Full extension of the lens, 600mm) get 600....

However....

On the "cropped" sensor of the Canon 7D I am actually capturing images at about 950 (or so) mm.

The only really difference is in the area of the sensor that creates this multiplication of the image -- And In low light I may get a bit of more noise. But this too, can be dealt with in post processing, making use of NIK Software's "D-Fine". A really good "noise knocker" program.

This is only one of the reasons that I always carry two different cameras of the same make with me.

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Aug 20, 2014 11:44:58   #
jackpi Loc: Southwest Ohio
 
kymarto wrote:
This seems to be in error. Why is the circle larger on the crop sensor?


The circles represent an object being photographed. The rectangles represent the sensor recording the object. The full frame sensor is larger, and has a wider field of view for the same focal length lens. This means that for the same focal length lens at the same distance, a full frame sensor will capture the subject with the same resolution as a 1.5 crop sensor only if the full frame sensor has 50% more pixels.

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Aug 20, 2014 11:50:58   #
James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)
 
wolfd wrote:
Crop or Crap?? Zack has some interesting points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHYidejT3KY

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

WoW!!!!

I really like THIS guy....

Pardon my English here:

"He Is A NO Bullshit sort of fellow" = and Yes, you may quote me on that....

I want to subscribe to this guy...

Posting this on my Facebook page so others can get the Straight Poop...

;-)

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