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Jul 23, 2014 18:16:22   #
bkellyusa Loc: Nashville, TN
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Wrong on pretty much everything there.

- The prosperity of the Clinton administration was well underway long before the internet boom. He was the only president since Johnson to make it through his term recession-free.

- No one doubted the economy would continue to improve under Reagan, as the recession of 1980 had ended 6 months before. The economy was never in a "tailspin" under Carter -- The Dow actually did quite well -- The OPEC oil embargo threw the economy into a spell for a bit, but it had recovered.

- You completely forgot about the recession of 1981-82.

- What the economics experts really WERE saying was the Reagan economic plan during the high-flying mid 80s was "a textbook case on how to CAUSE a recession" -- which was exactly what it did do -- You'll recall the day in 1987 when the Dow lost 25% in one day -- erasing nearly all the gains under Reagan.

-The equivalent of the "internet boom" that happened during Reagan's time was the women's movement --- at the start of his term, most women were housewives; by the end, most were working outside the home. This led to essentially a "fire sale" on workers, and labor costs (salaries) dropped -- hence the boom. That's also why in the 70's family could get by on one income, but by the 90's, most needed two.

-There is no rational way to argue the tickle-down WILL work. It requires rich people hiring workers they have no business need for, out of charity. It just won't happen. (You also show how little you understand about economics -- your "rational" explaination of Supply-side economics, is actually describing Demand-side economics -- except you are limiting it to a tiny percentage of the population. Use the same explaination, but with everyone in the country buying things, and you get a much better economy)
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Most of this response is nuts. I don't know where you guys get this stuff. The internet stock boom the drove the Clinton era economy was loaded with companies that soon after went bankrupt. Several others were nothing but gigantic Ponzi schemes. Prior to that it was so important to the Clinton era success crazy ass Al Gore tried to take credit for inventing the internet. I remember watching him say that right on television in real time and being from Tennessee we were were all humiliated by how dumb he looked. That's why we didn't vote for him.

Your last statement is the most ludicrous of all. Rich people don't hire people because they feel sorry for them they hire people so they can make more money. It's a truly symbiotic relationship. Simple as that.

The thing with the sickness over "the rich people" is that it is always stated by the loony left like that is some sort of fixed group. It is not. Lots of people today who have very little will be the rich people of tomorrow and some of the rich today will be gone. And, if you have a tax system that encourages investment guess what happens? The idea that America is the Land of Opportunity is what has made us such a dynamic force in the world. The trouble with that for the loony left is they truly want to see America fail.

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Jul 23, 2014 18:33:15   #
bkellyusa Loc: Nashville, TN
 
If you want to read an intelligent, detailed accounting of by experts (Forbes) rather than the loony bin stuff that is getting posted here read the following article which compares Reaganomics with Obamanomics. It also gives a correct accounting of the economy preceeding Reagan's election. Unfortunately it was written in 2011 so it doesn't include the incredible devastation that Obamanomics has had on our economy and our country and its citizens since that time.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/

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Jul 23, 2014 18:37:03   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
bkellyusa wrote:
The internet stock boom the drove the Clinton era economy was loaded with companies that soon after went bankrupt. Several others were nothing but gigantic Ponzi schemes.
I didn't say there wasn't an internet boom -- I just said the economy was booming under Clinton long before it happened. In fact, the major cause of the internet stock boom was that, after 6 years of prosperity, people had a lot of money to spend foolishly. The dotcom bubble started in 1998. Greenspan was warning about "Irrational exuberance" in the stock market in 1996. Which is another thing different about Reagan's & Clinton's approach the managing the economy. When the stock market became overheated, Clinton & Greenspan worked to slow it down, which is why it took 4 more years to crash and we recovered from the crash in 6 month. Reagan on the other hand, egged the overhead economy on -- which looked good in the short term, but blew up big time just a year later, and took 4 years to recover.


And Gore never said he "invented" the Internet. He said that he "took the lead in Congrees to create the Internet", which is a) completely different from "inventing", and b) completely accurate.

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Rich people don't hire people because they feel sorry for them
Of course not. Which is why supply-side can never work.
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they hire people so they can make more money.
they hire people THEY NEED so they can make more money. If the workers aren't needed, the rich people are just throwing money away. The NEED has to come first. Which is why Demand-side is the only possible way to run an economy.

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Jul 23, 2014 18:38:23   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
bkellyusa wrote:
If you want to read an intelligent, detailed accounting of by experts (Forbes) rather than the loony bin stuff that is getting posted here read the following article which compares Reaganomics with Obamanomics. It also gives a correct accounting of the economy preceeding Reagan's election. Unfortunately it was written in 2011 so it doesn't include the incredible devastation that Obamanomics has had on our economy and our country and its citizens since that time.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/
If you want to read an intelligent, detailed accou... (show quote)


You must know that they will tell you that this is Not true of course :lol: :lol: Thank's for posting it :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jul 23, 2014 19:14:20   #
bodacious Loc: Oregon
 
bkellyusa wrote:
If you want to read an intelligent, detailed accounting of by experts (Forbes) rather than the loony bin stuff that is getting posted here read the following article which compares Reaganomics with Obamanomics. It also gives a correct accounting of the economy preceeding Reagan's election. Unfortunately it was written in 2011 so it doesn't include the incredible devastation that Obamanomics has had on our economy and our country and its citizens since that time.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/
If you want to read an intelligent, detailed accou... (show quote)


I do wish it was updated to 2014 stats, even if my heart would not take the strain. Thanks for the post. :D :D :D

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Jul 23, 2014 19:17:43   #
bkellyusa Loc: Nashville, TN
 
JamesCurran wrote:
they hire people THEY NEED so they can make more money. If the workers aren't needed, the rich people are just throwing money away. The NEED has to come first. Which is why Demand-side is the only possible way to run an economy.


There is always a NEED. People want stuff faster, better, safer, cheaper, more modern, more stylish, lighter, smaller, fancier and on and on and on.

The internet is one of the best examples ever. No one saw that coming so there was no NEED for it until it was presented to the public and once they saw it they wanted it in a big way. Nothing in life is static. Static begins at death.

Read the article one Reaganomics versus Obamanomics. It's all explained in great detail there.

Other than that arguing politics on the internet is not something I do generally and as a result this my be my last post on the subject.

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Jul 23, 2014 19:53:30   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
FRENCHY wrote:
You must know that they will tell you that this is Not true of course :lol: :lol: Thank's for posting it :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


Speaking of FORBES: http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2012/10/10/want-a-better-economy-history-says-vote-democrat/

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Jul 23, 2014 20:13:39   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 


If the economy is better under democrats, I don't understand the shape of the country today . Maybe some love to be that way , and hope that everybody will agree so, they will be HAPPY under the same rule.... if that is the idea , I'm not with you sorry ...

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Jul 23, 2014 20:26:02   #
bkellyusa Loc: Nashville, TN
 
I won't argue this articles conclusions other than to say by all accounts the Carter years were the worst and if you lived through them you would know what I am tlaking about. Also, like the Obama reign they got progressively worse as the years went by. By the end of his presidency Americans were being told that it was "sunset in America". If you are over 50 you will remember that statement being thrown around by the so called experts and you will remember being told by the same experts that America's best days were behind her. That we would have to face the fact that we would no longer be the world super power we had been in the past. Reagan destroyed that concept and made incredible strides in rebuilding America in a matter of months.

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Jul 23, 2014 22:28:01   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
FRENCHY wrote:
If the economy is better under democrats, I don't understand the shape of the country today . Maybe some love to be that way , and hope that everybody will agree so, they will be HAPPY under the same rule.... if that is the idea , I'm not with you sorry ...


Boehner: Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, but don't ask me to put a jobs bill up for a vote! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, but don't ask me to put an infrastructure bill up for a vote.

The only strategy the Republicans have is HATE OBAMA. They do that pretty well. I'm waiting for the GOP to blame him for WWI.

The Potus does not have a jobs dial on his desk. He can't make it better by wishing it, it takes Congress to act.

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Jul 23, 2014 22:46:17   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
wlgoode wrote:
Boehner: Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, but don't ask me to put a jobs bill up for a vote! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, but don't ask me to put an infrastructure bill up for a vote.

The only strategy the Republicans have is HATE OBAMA. They do that pretty well. I'm waiting for the GOP to blame him for WWI.

The Potus does not have a jobs dial on his desk. He can't make it better by wishing it, it takes Congress to act.


What Boehner has to do with this ?
No the republicans don't Hate Obama , they hate his Red Policies
Didn't take Reagan too long to fix the economy 6 months after inauguration

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Jul 23, 2014 22:50:09   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
wlgoode wrote:
As if a billionaire founded GM and the other big corps. NO! Big corps like that started as garage shops like Apple did. " Bob and Mary Everybody " bought the products, causing the industry to grow. When a car is sold to someone like "Bob and Mary Everybody" the money goes to the car dealer, he pays his employees, orders more cars. The car manufacture fills the orders by buying parts, machines, paint, tires, upholstery and other stuff. All of the employees get a paycheck from all of those suppliers because there are millions of "Bob and Mary Everybodys" buying cars. Those thousands of workers at the car plant and the parts plants repeat the actions, they are like "Bob and Mary Everybody." This is known as the "Multiplier Effect." Those thousands of families are what drives the economy. The GM boss did not just snap his fingers and billions of dollars appeared along with dozens of factories. He started small and the common American grew his business. That's why a high schooler could explain it to you, it's really quite simple.

Reagan's Trickle Down proved it. All the money has trickled up! The Billionaires buy stocks and send it offshore to avoid taxes. It is not reinvested in the economy, by and large. Reagan specifically said he wanted asset based income, not earned income. It was all about the 1% and not about growing the economy. If Supply Side is so good, why aren't the Universities teaching it? They teach free enterprise Keynesian economy because that's how a free enterprise works.
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wlgoode, you have such a wasted mind.

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Jul 23, 2014 22:52:55   #
Jackinthebox Loc: travel the world
 
FRENCHY wrote:
What Boehner has to do with this ?
No the republicans don't Hate Obama , they hate his Red Policies
Didn't take Reagan too long to fix the economy 6 months after inauguration


I don't hate obummer. he is doing what he was programmed to do. Destroy America.
I am convinced that he is a muslim. Doing what muslims do.
I don't hate him.
Just want to stop the madness.

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Jul 23, 2014 22:54:16   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
FRENCHY wrote:
What Boehner has to do with this ?
No the republicans don't Hate Obama , they hate his Red Policies
Didn't take Reagan too long to fix the economy 6 months after inauguration


Did you read my post? Boehner has everything to do with it. There is no jobs dial on the Oval Office desk! The president cannot wave a wand and create jobs. Congress could pass a jobs and or infrastructure bill and put people back to work. Obama has said countless times that he would sign the bill the same day.

It has been customary for a long time to say for a year into the new administration the previous President is responsible for the economy. No one is magical enough to fix the economy in 6 mos. Economic situations are cyclical. There is ample evidence that Trickle Down is a failure and has wrecked our long term economy. Trickle down is silly, we have a Trickle up economy. The idea that Supply Side works is ludicrous.

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Jul 23, 2014 23:08:35   #
bkellyusa Loc: Nashville, TN
 
Funny, you didn't complain about the asinine way the Democrats treated George Bush and Bush has ton more class and honor than Obama. Bush actually likes Americans and America.

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