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Jul 22, 2014 22:48:46   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
When u shoot raw, u are generally able to print larger?
With greater detail?

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Jul 22, 2014 22:51:43   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Record in Raw if you know how to process it and Record in JPG if you don't. Raw is not always better than jpg, it depends if you know how to process it. :)

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Jul 22, 2014 22:52:06   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
soba1 wrote:
See u and I are in the same boat. I shoot then check then readjust. I would love to get to the point where I intuitively know. Ever slowly

Keep at it, and pay attention to the results, and it will get more intuitive. With post processing it is getting better for me, but I still have to do each picture separately and try different values.

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Jul 22, 2014 22:54:59   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
soba1 wrote:
When u shoot raw, u are generally able to print larger?
With greater detail?

Yes. In the simplest case, if your camera manufacturer's software can reproduce the post processing of the camera jpeg, then you can apply those settings and save as 16-bit tiff instead of jpeg, giving you slightly more detail, in a file which is about 10x larger!

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Jul 22, 2014 22:56:42   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Record in Raw if you know how to process it and Record in JPG if you don't. Raw is not always better than jpg, it depends if you know how to process it. :)

If Canon DPP can reproduce the camera jpeg, raw is at least as good as jpeg.

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Jul 22, 2014 23:04:17   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
amehta wrote:
If Canon DPP can reproduce the camera jpeg, raw is at least as good as jpeg.


I guess the OP can just do both raw and jpg :)

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Jul 22, 2014 23:11:00   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
Racmanaz wrote:
I guess the OP can just do both raw and jpg :)

That sounds like a great idea! :-)

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Jul 22, 2014 23:19:45   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
amehta wrote:
Keep at it, and pay attention to the results, and it will get more intuitive. With post processing it is getting better for me, but I still have to do each picture separately and try different values.


:thumbup: Thanks

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Jul 22, 2014 23:21:21   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
amehta wrote:
Yes. In the simplest case, if your camera manufacturer's software can reproduce the post processing of the camera jpeg, then you can apply those settings and save as 16-bit tiff instead of jpeg, giving you slightly more detail, in a file which is about 10x larger!



:thumbup: Awesome thanks, this sounds like where I need to start focusing my attention. As this is my ultimate goal.

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Jul 22, 2014 23:35:09   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
soba1 wrote:
See u and I are in the same boat. I shoot then check then readjust. I would love to get to the point where I intuitively know. Ever slowly


You and amehta should realize that it takes a great deal of time to become trustingly familiar with what your camera will do under various conditions. The way to do that is set aside time to test. In order to do the testing one must concentrate on the various conditions that exist at the time of taking the exposure.

This requires a very thoughtful, purposeful, detailed, and tedious series of photos with notepad in hand to keep track of what is being done.

It is rare that I take more than one, sometimes two images of any scene once I've decided what I want the final photo to look like. I don't just go out and bang away hoping to get that one exposure I like. There is a lot of thoughtful work that goes on before I even look through the camera to frame the scene. But, as I said, it takes a lot of disciplined work to get to that point.
--Bob

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Jul 23, 2014 00:00:02   #
gonate Loc: sacramento,calif
 
Well MR. Teacher, I think you are talking a lot of crap. But. Good Luck.

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Jul 23, 2014 00:12:52   #
mongoose777 Loc: Frisco Texas
 
amehta wrote:
All the post processing "experts" I interact with keep telling me that it's really easy, but after 7 months, it's still a pain. I think there are decisions which are second nature to those who are comfortable with it, and novices like me still have to think about which values to use. If the embedded jpeg wasn't good enough for the "quick output", I'd still be shooting raw+jpeg today.


The more you shoot in adverse conditions, the better photog you will become, PERIOD.
Again, most of my shooting will be JPEG.
But there are times under certain conditions I will definitely use RAW.
Because RAW is much more forgiving in such conditions during a major sporting event.
Example:
I shoot a college football game outside @ 3pm with fast moving clouds as the sun occasionally burns through. The home team is in white while the visiting team is in black, now as the sun starts going down, you have to watch for the stadium casting shadows as well.
A big play happens in the middle of the field where half of the field is effected by the stadium casting a shadow, while the sun pokes in and out. You'd be surprised how much i have to make numerous constant adjustments, all the while one has to maintain an extreme focus on the in-game action as you only have one shot at a pivotal peak moment.
I know Auto-ISO really comes into play here, as thats another issue. But even Auto-ISO can still be fooled at times.
When it does, meet my backup, Mr. RAW.
What works for my style of use may not necessary work for you.
Bottom line, Im getting paid for all my sporting gigs as I cannot afford to miss out, no excuses or mulligans.

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Jul 23, 2014 00:19:01   #
mongoose777 Loc: Frisco Texas
 
soba1 wrote:
When u shoot raw, u are generally able to print larger?
With greater detail?


Unfortunately this is a gross exaggeration.
Ive had several billboard using my shots as they
were only JPEGS.
The major factor here is to make sure your settings are close to perfect as possible.
Chances are much greater if the orig image is nice clean and bright, then you can later use minor tweaks for extra pop if needed.
Better gear with better lower light lens will give you that edge
needed to GET THAT SHOT!!
To me RAW is just a bonus when needed.

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Jul 23, 2014 01:40:47   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
soba1 wrote:
:thumbup: Awesome thanks, this sounds like where I need to start focusing my attention. As this is my ultimate goal.

I'm not sure if you are fairly new to photography or post processing? If you are new to both, I would suggest concentrating on taking the picture first, specifically
* composition (framing, focal length)
* exposure (ISO, aperture, shutter speed; flash)
* focus
Post processing can wait for now, the pictures will still be there in several months. :-)

I am doing the adjust/check routine with post processing, and that's only with about 4 settings. My first guess is getting better, but I still need to try a second or third guess to know that the first one was right. It's all a process, sometimes more fun, sometimes more frustrating...

(My apologies to Teacher22 if this is too far off-topic.)

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Jul 23, 2014 01:47:06   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
CaptainC wrote:
This is just my opinion—obviously at odds with the majority. I see no earthly reason to shoot raw+jpg. I would shoot raw.

Given that one can mass-correct hundreds of images at once in Lightroom, you can make global exposure/contrast/color adjustments to one, a few, or a whole lot of images at once.

Having said that. If you are careful and get the exposures and color as close to accurate as possible, in the camera, just shoot jpgs. While it is true that the raw files allow for more adjustment room, the jpgs are not as crippled as some people want to suggest. You can do a LOT of adjustments to a high-quality jpg.

I shot sports for years and only in JPG. I adjusted color, contrast, white balance, and no small amount of post processing and they looked great. Won awards.

A third option is to shoot jpg until you get to challenging lighting conditions at which time just switch to raw for those images.
This is just my opinion—obviously at odds with the... (show quote)


May I add my amateur applaud to your post - you have said it all in a nutshell

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