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Jul 20, 2014 23:09:56   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
Who are these idiots that say this? I have read this time and time again when people ask "Raw vs. Jpeg?" in the main photography discussion forum.

James56 has a Sony HX300 and his camera doesn't even have a RAW feature; just Jpeg. Nothing wrong with his photos!

Those who insist that one must shoot in RAW if their camera has that function:

A) probably don't shoot sports photography for a living.
B) probably don't know how to set up their camera internally anyway.

Yes, I am sure some people are going to jump in and say that Shooting in RAW gives one more latitude in post when using programs such as lightroom. They are absolutely right! Raw does does allow for easier and finer adjustment, But I don't want to hear it. I just don't want to hear it.

I upload everything into lightroom whether I shot a photo in RAW or Jpeg. With this one I did nothing in lightroom and I slammed it over to photoshop. I cropped it ever so slightly and ran a simple border around it. That was all. Oh, I did have my my camera set to custom white balance @ 5600k.

In the words of Eric Cartman, "Screw you guys! I'm going home!".

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Jul 20, 2014 23:24:38   #
cameranut Loc: North Carolina
 
tainkc wrote:
Who are these idiots that say this? I have read this time and time again when people ask "Raw vs. Jpeg?" in the main photography discussion forum.

James56 has a Sony HX300 and his camera doesn't even have a RAW feature; just Jpeg. Nothing wrong with his photos!


I'll probably catch a lot of flak for this but I think raw is for people who would rather spend time at their computers doing pp work (and many are exceptionally good at it) than actually getting outside & shooting. I don't have the patience for it. Maybe my eyes are just fooling me in my old age but I've seen some extremely nice shots in jpeg. I have some printed out that I can't find a single thing lacking. I think the issue is that a raw image can be "saved" numerous times without losing any image quality, but I'm only going to save once & then print out so it's not an issue for me.

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Jul 20, 2014 23:28:08   #
gonate Loc: sacramento,calif
 
So what is your point, They have been bragging up raw forever.Are you saying you can shoot in JEPG. as well as the others shoot RAW.

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Jul 20, 2014 23:28:48   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
cameranut wrote:
I'll probably catch a lot of flak for this but I think raw is for people who would rather spend time at their computers doing pp work (and many are exceptionally good at it) than actually getting outside & shooting. I don't have the patience for it. Maybe my eyes are just fooling me in my old age but I've seen some extremely nice shots in jpeg. I have some printed out that I can't find a single thing lacking. I think the issue is that a raw image can be "saved" numerous times without losing any image quality, but I'm only going to save once & then print out so it's not an issue for me.
I'll probably catch a lot of flak for this but I t... (show quote)
I am just being ornery today. Normally I do shoot in RAW just because. Besides, you have to work a Jpeg a whole bunch of times before your eye notices anything when reworking a Jpeg. This was true in the early 90's but today's technology has pretty much put that puppy dog to rest.

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Jul 20, 2014 23:29:51   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
gonate wrote:
So what is your point, They have been bragging up raw forever.Are you saying you can shoot in JEPG. as well as the others shoot RAW.
Of course you can! I am just being pissy assed tonight. Had a rough day.

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Jul 20, 2014 23:36:25   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
Take a deep breath and breath Tom. Basically I agree with you in that, Must is not a word that applies to everyone not every picture. Your pic is great. I would have lightened it up some but still this has little to do with what format its in.

Personally, I shoot both and then share things here in un-processed anything . I guess I'll worry about rethinking all the space that's being used when the 2tb hard drive starts running out of space.

TO each his own, it makes our world go around.

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Jul 20, 2014 23:40:01   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
should have shot it in raw... petals all curled up now. :mrgreen: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jul 20, 2014 23:42:40   #
New York Steve Loc: St. Augustine, Florida
 
I shoot RAW on occasion, but it's a rare occurrence. I'll use it if I'm shooting a poorly lit show but, saving that, I just don't bother with it. Even then, I may not edit many of the RAW shots if I'm getting good results from the jpegs.

I shot a portrait session with a family a couple months ago, and shot RAW+large jpeg. From a practical standpoint, the only thing RAW did was add to my editing time. The jpegs were every bit as good.

I think, once upon a time, there was good reason to delve into this magical thing called "RAW". Now, not so much...

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Jul 20, 2014 23:48:45   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
dirtpusher wrote:
should have shot it in raw... petals all curled up now. :mrgreen: :thumbup: :thumbup:
I am going to get you! Lol.

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Jul 20, 2014 23:57:41   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
Mike D. wrote:
Take a deep breath and breath Tom. Basically I agree with you in that, Must is not a word that applies to everyone not every picture. Your pic is great. I would have lightened it up some but still this has little to do with what format its in.

Personally, I shoot both and then share things here in un-processed anything . I guess I'll worry about rethinking all the space that's being used when the 2tb hard drive starts running out of space.

TO each his own, it makes our world go around.
Take a deep breath and breath Tom. Basically I agr... (show quote)
Hi Mikey! How are you? Oh, I shoot in Raw 99.9999999% of the time. It is just easier that way in post when running from indoors with the boys to outdoors and then back indoors. Raw is more forgiving. But if you set up your camera properly in the first place, there is not much need to do much adjusting either way.

I usually do lighten up my photos for the internet, but this one printed up great so I left it alone and posted it.

And you are right! To each his own. I have a friend (yes, I do have friends) in Philly who shoots for G.Q. and a few other magazines and he never shoots in RAW. He does not even. have lightroom. He doesn't like it. Oh, well. He makes a ton of money so, I can not say much.

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Jul 21, 2014 00:01:53   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
New York Steve wrote:
I shoot RAW on occasion, but it's a rare occurrence. I'll use it if I'm shooting a poorly lit show but, saving that, I just don't bother with it. Even then, I may not edit many of the RAW shots if I'm getting good results from the jpegs.

I shot a portrait session with a family a couple months ago, and shot RAW+large jpeg. From a practical standpoint, the only thing RAW did was add to my editing time. The jpegs were every bit as good.

I think, once upon a time, there was good reason to delve into this magical thing called "RAW". Now, not so much...
I shoot RAW on occasion, but it's a rare occurrenc... (show quote)
The cameras being produced are just phenomenal! This includes iphones. Even though I do shoot in Raw most of the time, I hate pp and I don't spend much time in lightroom. If I have what I think are areas that are too blown out initially, Raw and lightroom come in handy with the tools that are available. So many times, my shots are good enough that I don't even bother with lightroom other than to catalog them (which is automatic).

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Jul 21, 2014 00:10:52   #
SX2002 Loc: Adelaide, South Australia
 
Tried RAW once and my shots were no better (not as good?) then my JPEGs so I thought, why bother...they take up too much room anyway...

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Jul 21, 2014 00:22:33   #
zigipha Loc: north nj
 
Re RAW vs JPEG...just remember this one absolute rule - "there are no absolute rules".

If you are happy with adjusting wb and exp and effects in the camera and don't want to bother with pp, thats great. I often snap pics with my phone so I can upload to fb on the spot because thats more important than uploading a perhaps better picture later on.

But don't dump on the raw fanatics; raw has its advantages, and those advantages actually make a noticeable difference in some situations.

Is the purpose of photography to snap as many pics as possible? I have read that some of the great classic photographers spent as much/more time in the darkroom (post processing) as they did composing the pics. So pp is an integral part of photography history and process.

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Jul 21, 2014 00:25:49   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
SX2002 wrote:
Tried RAW once and my shots were no better (not as good?) then my JPEGs so I thought, why bother...they take up too much room anyway...
And so it goes! Lol.

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Jul 21, 2014 00:29:40   #
tainkc Loc: Kansas City
 
zigipha wrote:
Re RAW vs JPEG...just remember this one absolute rule - "there are no absolute rules".

If you are happy with adjusting wb and exp and effects in the camera and don't want to bother with pp, thats great. I often snap pics with my phone so I can upload to fb on the spot because thats more important than uploading a perhaps better picture later on.

But don't dump on the raw fanatics; raw has its advantages, and those advantages actually make a noticeable difference in some situations.

Is the purpose of photography to snap as many pics as possible? I have read that some of the great classic photographers spent as much/more time in the darkroom (post processing) as they did composing the pics. So pp is an integral part of photography history and process.
Re RAW vs JPEG...just remember this one absolute r... (show quote)
Oh, I agree 100%; Raw has a very important place. That is why it is available. I have pulled out some pretty bad crap out of a photo in post using a RAW photo that would have still been pure crap if I had shot it in Jpeg. I also agree that the digital darkroom is just as important as the darkrooms of old. The Combination of Raw and the digital darkroom make it way easier to work a photo than the old days.

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