Doctors leaving Medicine
Jul 13, 2014 11:28:30 #
Davethehiker wrote:
Most plumbers, carpenters, and electricians I know have gone to the underground economy. They demand to be paid in cash. They do great work and found a way to keep the government out of their hair and pockets. I sense that because government has lost the respect and trust of the working class, skilled labor is moving underground and is doing very well.
I realize that medicine is hopelessly entangled with insurance and the government and this is not an option. It's very sad.
I realize that medicine is hopelessly entangled with insurance and the government and this is not an option. It's very sad.
Not any more. Obamacare has moved many physicians out of the networks, so they can't work within the government mandated system and are going to cash only businesses. This relieves them from the government mandated electronic record keeping (~50,000 a pop) and frees them from one or two extra employees to pay. Look up concierge medicine. Those who don't do this have become employees of big medical companies - the days of having your own family doctor are over - it's factory medicine. I am a physician, and I could not get to see a doctor when I had a very painful knee. I was taken care of by an incompetent PA! I am now looking for a cash only doctor. Obamacare has just ruined American Medicine. It insures everyone (well it says it does) but it pays for something not available any more.
Jul 13, 2014 11:31:06 #
SonnyE wrote:
Most likely even less Cat. br Because our Daughter... (show quote)
I like your location comment under your avatar. I too was born in California before it became a socialist state and when it was still a great place to live. Not so anymore. That is why I don't live there anymore.
Jul 13, 2014 11:35:47 #
CatMarley wrote:
Obamacare has just ruined American Medicine. It insures everyone (well it says it does) but it pays for something not available any more.
A not un-typical result of great Progressive schemes. They somehow think that people (in this case, doctors) will not change their behavior to avoid something harmful.
Jul 13, 2014 11:52:10 #
davefales wrote:
A not un-typical result of great Progressive schemes. They somehow think that people (in this case, doctors) will not change their behavior to avoid something harmful.
Right. Of course these eggheads that dream up these big government central plans assume that everyone but they are stupid sheep. Do they really think that physicians are so stupid as to be led to the slaughter. just because they were too busy to organize ahead of this debacle? We are usually pretty smart people, and though we did enjoy our work the way it was, we are capable of moving on and away from a system that hurts us. Too bad about the American public that bought into this swindle. Maybe when they wake up they will demand change. And maybe not. . .
Jul 13, 2014 11:57:07 #
If one wants to see how well government mandates and restrictions work for a product just take a look at the Trabant. Fine example of a State mandated product. Even it will exceed the quality of availability of HC in America if this collectivist boondoggle isn't stopped.
Jul 13, 2014 12:02:21 #
CatMarley wrote:
Understood. No argument from me about that.Considering the hourly wage, most doctors make les... (show quote)
With all of the money being spent on health care in this country, where it is all going? Not to the doctors. Not to the nurses.
Mike
Jul 13, 2014 12:03:05 #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Understood. No argument from me about that.
With all of the money being spent on health care in this country, where it is all going? Not to the doctors. Not to the nurses.
Mike
With all of the money being spent on health care in this country, where it is all going? Not to the doctors. Not to the nurses.
Mike
Where does Government money ever go. Most government spending is simply money laundering for the party in power - it goes back to elect the same people and keep them in power to use more money. What was once spent on medical care is now going to be spent on medical care, insurance companies and a vast government bureaucracy to administer the whole mess.
Jul 13, 2014 12:09:31 #
CatMarley wrote:
Right. Of course these eggheads that dream up the... (show quote)
Thank you Cat for opening our eyes to what is happening down in the trenches of medical care. Keep pounding out the truth on other topics in this website that would cover some of the same interests of medical care. Just copy what you have said then re-post as many people don't look at all topics. I sometimes copy what I find and copy it to a word document for later use. Makes it easy to recover the important statements.
Jul 13, 2014 12:23:37 #
A trick I practice with good doctors:
I tip them for work well done!
I stumbled across this accidentally a few years ago. I suffered from BPH, big time! After a VA doctor aborted a PVP/TURP operation in the middle of the procedure, sending me home bleeding and incontinent. I later learned he did this because he had multiple patients lined up waiting for surgery and if he had taken the time needed for my procedure it would have thrown off his schedule for the day. I found a urologist in FL with a reputation for being good with big prostates. I traveled half way across the country so I could have this better doctor operate on me. After I recovered from the surgery and discovered EVERYTHING was now working very well, I called the doctors office and asked if he had a favorite restaurant. I learned that he did have a favorite restaurant and that he was going there that night with his wife, visiting daughter and new son-in-law. I called the restaurant and used my credit card to pay for his bill. When the check was delivered to his table it was accompanied with a note explaining that the bill was paid for by a grateful patient. The doctor was so moved by this gesture that he wrote me a personnel thank you card. English was not his first language and I could tell how difficult it was for him write the thank you note. He also phoned me and thanked me.
Since then I have have done similar gestures when I felt a doctor has listened to me and did a good job. This is a good investment, because I know my doctor remembers me and knows who I am. I'm not just a number on a form that needs to filled out.
I tip them for work well done!
I stumbled across this accidentally a few years ago. I suffered from BPH, big time! After a VA doctor aborted a PVP/TURP operation in the middle of the procedure, sending me home bleeding and incontinent. I later learned he did this because he had multiple patients lined up waiting for surgery and if he had taken the time needed for my procedure it would have thrown off his schedule for the day. I found a urologist in FL with a reputation for being good with big prostates. I traveled half way across the country so I could have this better doctor operate on me. After I recovered from the surgery and discovered EVERYTHING was now working very well, I called the doctors office and asked if he had a favorite restaurant. I learned that he did have a favorite restaurant and that he was going there that night with his wife, visiting daughter and new son-in-law. I called the restaurant and used my credit card to pay for his bill. When the check was delivered to his table it was accompanied with a note explaining that the bill was paid for by a grateful patient. The doctor was so moved by this gesture that he wrote me a personnel thank you card. English was not his first language and I could tell how difficult it was for him write the thank you note. He also phoned me and thanked me.
Since then I have have done similar gestures when I felt a doctor has listened to me and did a good job. This is a good investment, because I know my doctor remembers me and knows who I am. I'm not just a number on a form that needs to filled out.
Jul 13, 2014 12:28:17 #
CatMarley wrote:
I agree. The government fleeces us and then hands it over to the wealthy few. Once in a long while the money is paid to everyday working people, as in the WPA and CCC projects. When that happens, the money is spent and circulates and the economy improves. When the money goes to the fat cats, to the wealthy people financing and controlling the politicians, it is hoarded or moved overseas or plowed into extravagant lifestyles for the predators at the top. Where does Government money ever go. Most government spending is simply money laundering for the party in power - it goes back to elect the same people and keep them in power to use more money. What was once spent on medical care is now going to be spent on medical care, insurance companies and a vast government bureaucracy to administer the whole mess.
The best interests of the MD are more closely aligned with the best interests of the janitor than they are with those of the health care industry CEOs and owners.
Mike
Jul 13, 2014 12:36:48 #
Davethehiker wrote:
A trick I practice with good doctors:
I tip them for work well done!
I tip them for work well done!
I do the same for tradespeople in my home, - I send them home with some homemade jam - something to use in their home. They remember me next time I need them. But those days are over in medicine. We are no longer Professionals - no longer Doctors. Our title has changed. We are now "health care providers", along with Lawn Care Providers, and Auto Care providers. Industrial servants of the BIG BUREACRACY. I am old enough to remember the old days when I was a Doctor. I would never choose Medicine as a career now.
Jul 13, 2014 12:45:01 #
CatMarley wrote:
"A 2010 survey by The Physicians Foundation found that 40% of doctors planned to drop out of patient care in the next 1-3 years, either by retiring or seeking a nonclinical job.
For those of you still living in the past... 2010 was FOUR YEARS AGO, which means all of those doctors planning on dropping out "in the next 1-3 years" should now be gone for over a year.
Has it happened? Of course not. Because 2010 was also the peek of the Right-Wing spreading lies about Obamacare, and the doctors in the survey were just reacting to them. Now, four years later, they learned the truth, and are content with their jobs.
Jul 13, 2014 12:54:03 #
JamesCurran wrote:
For those of you still living in the past... 2010 was FOUR YEARS AGO, which means all of those doctors planning on dropping out "in the next 1-3 years" should now be gone for over a year.
Has it happened? Of course not. Because 2010 was also the peek of the Right-Wing spreading lies about Obamacare, and the doctors in the survey were just reacting to them. Now, four years later, they learned the truth, and are content with their jobs.
Has it happened? Of course not. Because 2010 was also the peek of the Right-Wing spreading lies about Obamacare, and the doctors in the survey were just reacting to them. Now, four years later, they learned the truth, and are content with their jobs.
Plans do not always come to fruition in time. Besides Obama changed the law some 30 + times. Lots of the things that were supposed to happen in 2014 have been postponed to 2017. So who lied? Do you know how many have left? I have, and I personally know scores who have, and more who are planning to as soon as some of the most onerous provisions do kick in. How innocent you are! Content with their jobs, indeed! The fact that you call it a job is proof of how little you understand!
Jul 13, 2014 13:35:15 #
phcaan wrote:
Thank you for you post Cat, however you will soon see that many on this forum will dismiss what you have presented as lies, mis-information, political dirty tricks, or just plain right wing propaganda.
JamesCurran wrote:
For those of you still living in the past... 2010 was FOUR YEARS AGO, which means all of those doctors planning on dropping out "in the next 1-3 years" should now be gone for over a year.
Has it happened? Of course not. Because 2010 was also the peek of the Right-Wing spreading lies about Obamacare, and the doctors in the survey were just reacting to them. Now, four years later, they learned the truth, and are content with their jobs.
Has it happened? Of course not. Because 2010 was also the peek of the Right-Wing spreading lies about Obamacare, and the doctors in the survey were just reacting to them. Now, four years later, they learned the truth, and are content with their jobs.
So it was written and so it has come to pass.
Jul 13, 2014 16:30:20 #
hfb
Loc: Northwestern Louisiana
Are they gone? Not where I live. A study in 2010 plus three years equals 2013 last year.
CatMarley wrote:
For all you supporters of Obamacare: - you might f... (show quote)
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