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Jul 1, 2014 18:38:56   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
venturer9 wrote:
I think Croce that the majority of the argument has not been that the law was not based on the Religios belief of the Owners of Hobby Lobby but that the ruling FORCED a religious belief on others..

That is patently not true.... it only forced the ladies to purchase their birth control medicines or devices out of their own pocket books,,,not through their insurance...

By the thinking that The supreme court has now forcing someone else's beliefs on others is baseless...

Hobby Lobby Closes on Sunday..... I guess they are forcing their religious beliefs on all of their employees who would rather be off on Friday than on Sunday...??????

Mike
I think Croce that the majority of the argument ha... (show quote)


First off Mike, you misquote me. I wrote that the decision was motivated by, brought because of, and decided on, a parsing of the ACA (which I abhor by the way) predicated on religious belief and was an incursion on the rights of women due to that parsing and the basis of it. Your argument does not even meet the minimum requirement for labeling as specious Mike. Get out of church and into the equal rights arena.

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Jul 1, 2014 18:40:20   #
gonate Loc: sacramento,calif
 
Well maybe he can change his skin color with his pen and his phone.

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Jul 1, 2014 18:41:35   #
LLucas Loc: Upstate South Carolina, USA
 
bvm wrote:
I would say so, especially toward anyone who choses not to agree with them.

Lucas , if you're gay, good for you.


First of all, my preferences are of no concern of yours, thank you very much. You want to talk about your sex life? Well, sorry. I don't want to hear about it.

Secondly, you can't blame an entire population of people for "refusing to take it anymore" after hundreds of years of repression and discrimination. You keep a group "down" long enough, and it will uprise eventually. Remember the "radical, trouble-making" civil rights leaders of the 60's? Yeah, they are heros now, aren't they? History repeats itself. Didn't you hear? Time to get with the progam and recognize discrimination for what it is. If you've been discriminated and hated against your whole life, I bet you'd be pretty angry by now, too.

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Jul 1, 2014 18:42:05   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
marblclear wrote:
Firstly, I am not a sir. And secondly, I have read all of the threads but as a woman who is pro choice, I always find it interesting when a bunch of old men, who really know nothing about women's bodies are making all of the decisions. Trying to explain how this feels to me and other women would be like trying to explain compassion, empathy, and understanding to someone like you. People who believe that we need to go backwards in time are not really understanding society today. I'll bet you are one of those people who don't believe in giving gay people their rights. That is why I call so called Christians, the Taliban of the US and other men Neanderthal. I may be progressive but you my friend are regressive. Oh, sorry I guess we are not friends.

To be honest I really do not like to go on these rants but as you can probably tell I feel very passionate about this subject and have for a very long time.
Firstly, I am not a sir. And secondly, I have rea... (show quote)


So who said you can't make a choice?

Are you willing and tolerant to other peoples choices?

You act like an angry lesbian with an agenda because you perceive you've been wronged by someone.

It is you ISIS, calling those you disagree with the Taliban and Neanderthals.

You are not so open minded but are truly the Grand Inquisitor.

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Jul 1, 2014 18:43:05   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
JoAnneK01 wrote:
I have to disagree with you. Most do not hate the president as an individual. The biggest problem is that obama is an individual that is a great divider and not the uniter he promised to be. He is more disliked for his policies and unwillingness to compromise. Many on the left automatically start calling "racism".


Yes JoAnne but if the O lovers allow that what you state is even perhaps a little bit true, what defense could they offer for this bumbling, polarizing, prevaricating, incompetent, socialist, narcissists behavior?

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Jul 1, 2014 18:45:01   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
LLucas wrote:
huh?


You think like a union member, HUH? Let's add a dude to it.

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Jul 1, 2014 18:48:16   #
Croce Loc: Earth
 
LLucas wrote:
hahaha! Didn't you know... Life "begins at conception." That's the second the sperm reaches that little egg!

I'm with you, Croce. Seriously, people! It's a zygote. Not a baby! I will send you links to free biology lessons on the women's body if you want! Don't take medical advice from your pastor, for goodness sake!


Oh my dear mr?mz? Lucas, prepare thyself for the wrath of god to be inflicted on you as if the fires of hell were held in the hands of those christian zealots who tread hereon. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Jul 1, 2014 18:50:21   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
marblclear wrote:
Well for once we agree. But only about he moving on part.


It is quite clearly a boon for abortionists!!!

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Jul 1, 2014 18:50:57   #
LLucas Loc: Upstate South Carolina, USA
 
[quote=bvm]"So who said you can't make a choice?

Are you willing and tolerant to other peoples choices?

You act like an angry lesbian with an agenda because you perceive you've been wronged by someone."

oooh- you've been called an "angry lesbian"!! Geez, get over yourself, bvm. Turning a different sexual preference into an insult is just sad. What difference does it make to you? I mean, really?
"Who said I can't make a choice?" HL says I can't get the benefits I paid for because it's "against their convictions." If I'm a woman needing an IUD, and your "convictions" keep me from getting one (due to high out-of-pocket costs) covered by the insurance I PAY FOR how is that NOT my not being able to make a choice?????

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Jul 1, 2014 18:53:15   #
cwp3420
 
dljen wrote:
I agree with you but the right wing conservatives began the hate towards this president. They've set a terrible precedent because if they ever do find a candidate for the presidency, he/she will be treated like they treat Obama. I think forever more all bets are off concerning politicians. Maybe I'm wrong...


Donna, you are a bleeding heart libturd and have very selective memory. I can't stand Obama and believe he will go down in history as one of the worst presidents ever, but it has NOTHING to do with race. And as far as how conservatives treat him, you conveniently forget the vile things your side said about George Bush, his wife and his daughters. Your memory must suck.

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Jul 1, 2014 18:57:32   #
cwp3420
 
wlgoode wrote:
It is quite clearly a boon for abortionists!!!


Which I'm sure makes your side very happy.

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Jul 1, 2014 19:00:25   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
[quote=LLucas]
bvm wrote:
"So who said you can't make a choice?

Are you willing and tolerant to other peoples choices?

You act like an angry lesbian with an agenda because you perceive you've been wronged by someone."

oooh- you've been called an "angry lesbian"!! Geez, get over yourself, bvm. Suggesting that a different sexual preference than yours is an insult is just hilarious, and

"Who said I can't make a choice?" HL says I can't get the benefits I paid for because it's "against their convictions." That could keep a woman needing an IUD from getting one, due to high out-of-pocket costs. How is that NOT my not being able to make a choice?????
"So who said you can't make a choice? br br ... (show quote)


Hey, can't you do ANYTHING for yourself?
LLucas thinks you a poor little ?? and must be defended as he rides in on his(?) unicorn.

That's what a racist bigot HE ( ? ) is, so typical.

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Jul 1, 2014 19:02:36   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
cwp3420 wrote:
Donna, you are a bleeding heart libturd and have very selective memory. I can't stand Obama and believe he will go down in history as one of the worst presidents ever, but it has NOTHING to do with race. And as far as how conservatives treat him, you conveniently forget the vile things your side said about George Bush, his wife and his daughters. Your memory must suck.


It's not only her memory...

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Jul 1, 2014 19:03:11   #
LLucas Loc: Upstate South Carolina, USA
 
[quote=cwp3420]Donna, you are a bleeding heart libturd and have very selective memory.

Better a bleeding heart than NO HEART.
I don't understand how the same people who support capital punishment, and cutting health care, education and safety-net funding can turn around in the same breath and have a fit over a zygote not adhering to the uterine wall. AS IF life is so precious to you. No, it's just another form of suppression and those of us to refuse to sit back and let it happen are called names, like libturd. Grow up.

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Jul 1, 2014 19:03:54   #
LLucas Loc: Upstate South Carolina, USA
 
bvm wrote:
Hey, can't you do ANYTHING for yourself?
LLucas thinks you a poor little ?? and must be defended as he rides in on his(?) unicorn.

That's what a racist bigot HE ( ? ) is, so typical.


Bite me. Isn't it your bedtime, old man?

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