James Shaw

Fooled me. Sorry, I do not believe in killing myself for those having more than a basic knowledge or for any other reason. :-(

crissx09 Loc: FL-USA

Should we blame the amazonian natives for the exploitation of the rain forest..? Give me a break..!! You can find the Companies working there yourself if you are interested...I am not pointing to anyone in particular.

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

You miss the point completely. YOU made assertions. I only asked you provide some proof rather than your broad, and yet to be proven, statement of some corporations taking the earth part. Either back up what you said or man up and retract it. Your exaggeration a are meaningless except to those naive enough to accept them without thinking or proof. If you can't provide proof or examples of your exaggerated and dishonest claims don't make them in the future.

So, please, name just one entity that is taking the earth apart with a rational basis for the assertion or step off. Simple. If you don't have the proof then don't make up fairy tales to push your agenda.

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

as humans, we will continue to exercize our "right" and "obligation" develop and exploit the earth to satisify our needs and desires. assuming that we will find a remedy "in the nick of time".

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

That's a big bunch of $hit.. The problem is not available space. The problem is purely political. People tend to crowd into cities, and or live in inhospitable areas. Russia is largely empty. Fly over the US most of it is empty. I live part time in NY, once out of the metropolitan area the state of NY is mostly empty. Yes there are problems in Africa for many and varied reasons. There are problems in many rain forest areas mostly over harvesting of hardwoods. These problems need to be fixed. But as far as mass extinctions are involved they are much more likely to be caused by a super-volcano or large meteor strike. Those 2 by the way are not an if but only a when.

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

Do you want to live in a cave? Do you want to go back to climbing trees and picking nuts and berries to stay alive? You own a house or rent one. You own a car to get around. You will continue to exercise your "right" and "obligation" to exploit the earth to satisfy your needs and desires. That is life as you know it and you are not going to give it up. You provided for your wife and your children. You will take what this earth has to give so you can give the best for your family. And that is alright. You are no different than any other person on this forum or any of those who have posted on the thread. We are all the same because we all have to live. That's life man!

EngineerAl

"Excess population" is not MY mantra. It is the mantra of leftists, like you, like Al "spots on a zebra" Gore.

Since you leftists have preached overpopulation since the discredited Club of Rome did in the 1960's, you have not practiced what you preach, except for having 1,300,000 unborn babies butchered every year. Except for that. Pretty brave of you, lefty. Advocating infanticide on a massive scale.

Before you were formed in the womb, I knew you.

crissx09 Loc: FL-USA

You are kind of blind or very ignorant. Have you heard about regulation on hunting/fishing ..? Read something about the environment, the contamination of even ocean species, the pollution we are causing, the forest that we erased and did not replaced, etc...etc...etc...and do not ask me to give you a presentation about facts that you are unable to notice...Read man....read and get informed.

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

I support Hunting and Fishing regulations. I support setting aside land for recreational hunting. Thus the reason for seasonal hunting. Each licenses sold goes to wild life management.

But shame on you about the environment, the contamination of even ocean species, the pollution you are causing, the forest that you helped erased and did not replaced, etc...etc...etc...

I was not involved in your crap!

gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch

Are you kidding me? Back up your assertions or retract them IS THE ISSUE not YOU rattling off a bunch of additional generalities. Which SPECIFIC corporations are tearing the earth apart AS YOU ASSERTED? I think you are exaggerating to make a point. Regardless, you made the assertions and refuse to back them up so nobody should take anything you say seriously.

twolfphd Loc: Camp Verde, AZ

It isn't quite so simple. Everything we do impacts the environment which impacts both plant and animal species.
Do you eat meat? Livestock accounts for a huge amount of deforestation. Half of the cleared land in the US supports livestock. Eating less meat is a good way to conserve and save animals.
Do you eat crackers and cookies? They were probably made with palm oil, whose harvest is a major cause of deforestation.
Do you heat your house with solar or wind? Our continued dependance on fossil fuel greatly impacts the environment. The oceans are warming the poles are melting and species are dying.
Do you take medicines? Most medicines were derived from natural products originally. Many more cures could be found from new discoveries in the already depleted rain forests.
Do you eat soy or wheat? Much of our foods are now GMO derived, and we know that GMOs impact the bee and butterfly populations, which directly affects our own food supply.
Do you use plastic? Do you recycle? Cutting down on garbage is certainly one way to help the environment, and protect species in the ocean and on land. Fossil fuels are used to make plastics and they are not biodegradable and impact the oceans greatly, where animals eat garbage thinking it is food.
This is a very complicated issue. If we do not make critical changes soon, our environment may become unlivable and the human population may well suffer in a hundred years or so! Knowledge is key because everyone must contribute to preservation.

EngineerAl

No he isn't. It is you. I'll give evidence, using your own words and Al Gore's.



That is as inane and irrelevant as can be imagined. Every country has wildlife regulations. They have little bearing on contamination.

This list and map of the top 20 most contaminated places in the world doesn't have ONE in the United States.
If the U.S. were empty, as liberals would prefer it to be, the worldwide pollution would scarcely budge.
You have NO IDEA of the cost/benefit tradeoffs relative to removing the last one part per million of anything. NO IDEA.
Furthermore, there is no toxic substance, only toxic levels. FDA standards provide allowances for fly wings and rat hairs in our foods. How many people have died from eating a fly wing, or a rat hair? Don't blather, provide some data, for a change.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/08/world/asia/india-pollution-who/



Who is this "we" of erased forests? Brazil? Why don't you "environmentalists" fly down to Rio and blow your hype on the poor people trying to eke out a living. They will surely welcome you with open machetes.

I read Earth in the Balance, by the Most Ignorant Al Gore.

Excerpts follow:

"Today a different form of dysfunction takes the form of ravenous, insatiable consumption” - page 273

This is from billionaire Gore, whose pal, Prince Charles, agrees emphatically with him. Both ride in private jets, private limousines, but only one has TWO private castles. That would be Charley.

Gore again:

"What a striking contrast between the awesome power and efficiency of our economic system displayed in its philosophical rout of Marxism-Leninism and the abject failure of the very same system to even take note of the poisoning of our water, the fouling of our air, the destruction of tens of thousands of living species every year." - page 185

These Marxist-Leninist societies are the very same ones that do most of the polluting worldwide. Tell that to Democrats, Al. Instead, you flit around in your Lear jet, lecturing everybody beneath you to stop driving, and walk. Then you hop back in your limo.

"We are running out of places to put our garbage." - page 151

I noticed that just outside the city. No land left, anywhere.
Brilliant, Al.
Incidentally, for all to see and think about:
Did you know that everyone alive on earth today can fit inside one cubic mile? Do the math. Liberals, PM me for assistance.

"Most rivers throughout Asia and Europe, Africa and Latin America, are treated as open sewers, especially for industrial waste and sewage.” - page 150

So leftists badmouth America. Got it? You guys pollute, so WE have to clean up our rivers.

"The US actually has more forested land than it did a hundred years ago.” - page 121

This is exactly the opposite of what you said, crissx.
So you expect all your lefty pals to believe YOU instead ofAl Gore the Divinity School Dropout?

"A ravenous civilization” Three yew trees must be cut down to save a woman'a life. - page 119

Al cares more about three yew trees than a woman's life. Now what if that was your daughter's life? Would you agree with Al?

"Some skeptics have suggested that plants and trees may serve as the magic thermostat by gobbling up extra CO2. But plants cannot grow faster without more nutrients and sunlight, regardless of how much CO2 is in the air.” - page 95

I'll end with this picture which neatly refutes Al's incredible ignorance:

twolfphd Loc: Camp Verde, AZ

Actually, everything you do impacts the environment which impacts plant and animal species. Deforestation is caused by livestock production and agriculture to name a few, which leads to species loss. We already know that fossil fuel use leads to global warming which ultimately leads to extinction. (Maybe you don't drive a car or heat your house with fossil fuels in which case you are way ahead of the game!) We have garbage swirls the size of New Jersey in our oceans and the oceans are warming. With the delicate balance of the oceans and forests being disturbed, we will see extinction and demise in the near future. We already have a diet of GMOs which hurts/ kills bees and butterflies, which directly effects OUR food supply. In short we must ALL contribute to helping out our planet before it is to late. You can stick your head in the ground and pretend it isn't so, but that isn't very productive or realistic.

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

Do I do all the above? Hell yes! What is that to you? Go live in a cave if that is what you want. I am here to take what this earth has to offer and to enjoy it. The less you take the more I can have. You have not contributed nothing to me and the way I see it, you are not doing your fair share. Preach to others but cop out yourself!

twolfphd Loc: Camp Verde, AZ

You are obviously too ignorant of scientific principles to understand anyway, so why not just give it up!