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Jun 20, 2014 08:16:27   #
Pixelpixie88 Loc: Northern Minnesota
 
Thanks once again, Jim. I'll certainly give it thought!

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Jun 20, 2014 08:36:43   #
mldavis2
 
Photoshop CC will cost you more than the annual update costs registered users paid when new versions of Photoshop came out under the previous box versions. The only difference is the initial access cost if you are a new user. You will pay $240 every two years which is more than the 2-year new version cycle cost of $169 which is what registered users paid for new versions. It was even cheaper for those who jumped versions when the new one did not have sufficient improvements to warrant the upgrade. In addition, the monthly pay-forever fee is subject to increase at Adobe's whim, and of course you have no choice to block an update or continue using a previous version. It's a slippery slope right into Adobe's corporate retirement fund while relieving Adobe programmers of having to provide sufficient new features to entice users to upgrade.

However, for those who support the madness, the best single book I've found on understanding basic Photoshop features is "Adobe Photoshop for Photographers" by Martin Evening. The online help index is, of course, available, but I always like a hard copy that I can hold on my lap as I work through an example.

The only advantage I can see for Photoshop over PSP or other high-end layer-based pixel editors is the amount of online YouTube videos and printed media. That is changing, however, and most Photoshop-related how-to instruction is easily adaptable to other editors if you understand the concept. I'm still an enthusiastic CS6 user, but I'll never move to subscription software.

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Jun 20, 2014 08:40:10   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
This may sound dumb but is the Photoshop program on CC exactly the same one as CS6 or is it just a version of it?

Searcher wrote:
Lightroom bought out right is a low cost program which will manage files, do raw conversions and to some extent retouching.

Photoshop CS6 is a high cost program which will manage files (Bridge) do raw conversions and very sophisticated retouhing and image manipulation.

CS6 + Lightroom costs (in UK) about £700 to purchase outright, annual updates (I am guessing) about £250.

The annual cost (at present prices and in future if rumours prove true) of PS + LR is £105.00 and this will include all updates/upgrades.

CS6+LR for 5 years and with all updates/upgrades (if CS6 remains supported) will cost £1700, the cloud method £505.

Lightroom on its own can be purchased here for approx. £80 and annual updates are about £60.

If you want Adobe software, the rental method will save a lot of money.

What I have not mentioned is that technical support is free, I have heard that after a certain period of time on "paid up" applications, Adobe either charges for support or declines support altogether.

I can survive (photographically speaking) without Photoshop, but I would really miss not having LR which has become the core of everything I do with images once they leave the camera.
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Jun 20, 2014 08:41:59   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Photoshop CC 2014 is the latest version and it has differences.
sodapop wrote:
This may sound dumb but is the Photoshop program on CC exactly the same one as CS6 or is it just a version of it?

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Jun 20, 2014 08:45:57   #
dusty3d Loc: South Florida
 
I have LR5.5 and CS5 so I don't really think CC is best for me at this time. I also use plug-ins, OneOne, NIK and Topaz and wonder if they work with CC. Is there a big advantage using CC over what I now have?

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Jun 20, 2014 08:54:43   #
Brian45 Loc: Melbourne, Australia
 
Wahawk wrote:
Still way too expensive. Corel PaintShopPro x6 is a LOT less expensive and will do pretty much anything PS can do.


Agree - and no clouds over Corel as well.

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Jun 20, 2014 09:03:38   #
Michael66 Loc: Queens, New York
 
Searcher wrote:
Too many people are staying away from Adobe products through a misunderstanding of how the system works.


I've resisted PS for years, regardless of the 'cloud' version, but considering the low entry cost, I might reconsider. Do you buy the software and then pay a monthly fee or do you download the software for free and pay just a monthly fee?

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Jun 20, 2014 09:18:45   #
Jim Plogger Loc: East Tennessee
 
Searcher wrote:
Too many people are staying away from Adobe products through a misunderstanding of how the system works.

Your images are not stored in the cloud, they are on your computer, whether on your main hard drive or external drive is entirely up to you. You can, if you want, take advantage of Adobe's cloud storage, Behance, which if you take up their current offer will give you 2Gb of free storage. This is not compulsory.

You do not have to be online to use the Adobe products. the Photography offer, currently $10 per calendar month, is a license to use Lightroom, Photoshop, Bridge and one or two other peripheral programs, at any time you wish, on or offline.

Payment method is by automatically debiting your credit card once a month on a particular day. That day is the same each month. If for any reason Adobe are unable to collect the money, you are sent a message and have one month to rectify the situation.

At indeterminate times during the month, the Adobe servers will connect with your computer and post information about updates (so far I have received at least one a month for the programs I have). I believe this connection serves two purposes, 1. to keep your programs up to date and 2. to ensure the programs are in use and probably they gather non-personal statistics on module usage. (The latest version of the terms and conditions states that if the programs are not being used the contract can be broken by Adobe. I do not believe they would do this as long as they are getting their money.)

I was one of those reluctant to subscribe, my reasoning was that the price would go beyond affordability after the first year. The new terms and conditions no longer mention price increases at contract renewal time - it is still a wait and see thing, but I am now more optimistic about renewal.

If you use the Photoshop CC and decide not to renew your contract, your images (on your computer) are still safe and intact. Photoshop files can be opened by Elements; jpg, tiff and png files by almost any other vendors program.

Remember that Elements is not part of the Cloud services and probably never will be. (There is not enough money in Elements to make it worth while to Adobe.)

I have written this not to push Adobe products, but to allay fears and misunderstandings on how the Adobe Cloud works.
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Thanks Searcher. You might add that you can keep your older version of Photoshop (i.e. CS6) on your PC in case you decide not to renew your subscription.

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Jun 20, 2014 09:19:02   #
mldavis2
 
dusty3d wrote:
I have LR5.5 and CS5 so I don't really think CC is best for me at this time. I also use plug-ins, OneOne, NIK and Topaz and wonder if they work with CC. Is there a big advantage using CC over what I now have?


See my post under "Adobe CC 2014" in this forum regarding problems with plug-ins.

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Jun 20, 2014 09:35:12   #
Jim Plogger Loc: East Tennessee
 
mldavis2 wrote:
See my post under "Adobe CC 2014" in this forum regarding problems with plug-ins.



Here is the link. Anyone having problems with plugins such as Topaz, NIK, or onOne???

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-220532-1.html

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Jun 20, 2014 09:59:50   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
Michael66 wrote:
I've resisted PS for years, regardless of the 'cloud' version, but considering the low entry cost, I might reconsider. Do you buy the software and then pay a monthly fee or do you download the software for free and pay just a monthly fee?


You open an "account" i.e. get an Adobe ID, register your credit card number with them, pay the first month's instalment and then download.

So your initial outlay is $10 + local taxes, the next payment is the same amount one month later.

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Jun 20, 2014 10:00:11   #
jimni2001 Loc: Sierra Vista, Arizona, USA
 
Brian45 wrote:
Agree - and no clouds over Corel as well.


So what you are saying is Corel does not give you the choice of backing up your photos on a secure server.

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Jun 20, 2014 10:18:50   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
mldavis2 wrote:
Photoshop CC will cost you more than the annual update costs registered users paid when new versions of Photoshop came out under the previous box versions. The only difference is the initial access cost if you are a new user. You will pay $240 every two years which is more than the 2-year new version cycle cost of $169 which is what registered users paid for new versions. It was even cheaper for those who jumped versions when the new one did not have sufficient improvements to warrant the upgrade. In addition, the monthly pay-forever fee is subject to increase at Adobe's whim, and of course you have no choice to block an update or continue using a previous version. It's a slippery slope right into Adobe's corporate retirement fund while relieving Adobe programmers of having to provide sufficient new features to entice users to upgrade.

However, for those who support the madness, the best single book I've found on understanding basic Photoshop features is "Adobe Photoshop for Photographers" by Martin Evening. The online help index is, of course, available, but I always like a hard copy that I can hold on my lap as I work through an example.

The only advantage I can see for Photoshop over PSP or other high-end layer-based pixel editors is the amount of online YouTube videos and printed media. That is changing, however, and most Photoshop-related how-to instruction is easily adaptable to other editors if you understand the concept. I'm still an enthusiastic CS6 user, but I'll never move to subscription software.
Photoshop CC will cost you more than the annual up... (show quote)


I have been going through everything I can find on the Adobe web site, which is at times a confusing mess, and found the following information:

"We plan to continue support for CS6 indefinitely especially to countries where the Cloud products are not supported"

"Upgrades from CS5 to CS6 products will continue for the time being."

Boxed discs are not available except to countries which for particular reasons are not able to participate in software downloads. (This does not apply to Elements, Premiere or Lightroom.)

Upgrades from CS6 products are referred to the Cloud web sites.

What I could not find was the current price for upgrading Photoshop CS5 to Photoshop CS6 - I tried UK, Swiss and USA web sites.

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Jun 20, 2014 10:21:46   #
Searcher Loc: Kent, England
 
jpintn wrote:
Thanks Searcher. You might add that you can keep your older version of Photoshop (i.e. CS6) on your PC in case you decide not to renew your subscription.


Yes of course, I missed that bit. I have PS7, CS2 as well as PS CC 2014

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Jun 20, 2014 10:31:18   #
snapshot4619 Loc: AZ USA
 
Well what I am currently going through with Adobe is totally not understandable. I have had PS CC since Aug 13 and LR was added in Sept of 13. New updates came in this week for all so I updated them, including the new PS CC 2014. When downloads were completed LR would not open? I placed a call to Adobe and they told me I did not have a subscription to LR????? Mind you I have been using it for over 9 months! I spoke with a manager and he told me the same thing. What I was forced to do (if I want PS LR) was cancel my current subscription and order a bundle which will include LR. I did not receive any credit for the unused portion of my existing subscription. Oh by the way he was nice enough not to charge me a cancellation fee and gave me the same price which I was paying $9.99 month plus tax. I am still trying to understand their motive?

Note (Coming Soon) when I called in their message on the phone stated phone support for some products will be discontinued and only online and chat will be available.
Would like to know if anybody else has a similar experience?

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