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May 29, 2014 18:40:41   #
cwp3420
 
larrypayne wrote:
Of course you endorse the police state we have become since 9/11.

The black brownshirt is stomping on the guy. The white brownshirt to the right has used a cattle prod on the woman.


Wow, Larry, you just confirmed to me, if no one else, that you're completely nuts. The "white brownshirt to the right" doesn't have a cattle prod in his hand. It's called an ASP, and it's a steel collapsible baton that police officers carry on their gun belts in case they need to strike someone. Cattle prod? Come on Larry, you're smarter than that aren't you?

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May 29, 2014 18:42:03   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
larrypayne wrote:
You think we are free? What kind of moron are you?


That is the reason I believe the next war will be on our own turf to take back our country from the communist/socialists that are occupying DC.

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May 29, 2014 18:43:55   #
amadjuster Loc: Amarillo, TX
 
larrypayne wrote:
Of course you endorse the police state we have become since 9/11.

The black brownshirt is stomping on the guy. The white brownshirt to the right has used a cattle prod on the woman.


Larry, you need to have your eyes checked. Those police officers have dark blue shirts. Here is a picture of a real brown shirt. I believe if is your hero, Ernst Rohm.



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May 29, 2014 18:44:58   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
amadjuster wrote:
We are such a police state! I drove to Colorado and back for the Memorial Weekend and I saw 2 Highwat Patrol and not one black helicopter. How do you describe a police state?


Peaceful protest is a Constitutional right.

The photo I linked shows how peaceful protesters are now treated.

Here's more:





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May 29, 2014 18:46:57   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
cwp3420 wrote:
Wow, Larry, you just confirmed to me, if no one else, that you're completely nuts. The "white brownshirt to the right" doesn't have a cattle prod in his hand. It's called an ASP, and it's a steel collapsible baton that police officers carry on their gun belts in case they need to strike someone. Cattle prod? Come on Larry, you're smarter than that aren't you?


Cattle prod or billy club, what's the difference? He obviously used it on her.

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May 29, 2014 18:49:10   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
amadjuster wrote:
Larry, you need to have your eyes checked. Those police officers have dark blue shirts. Here is a picture of a real brown shirt. I believe if is your hero, Ernst Rohm.


After your suggestion that Mossad should put a bullet in my brain, I suspect that photo represents you much more than me.



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May 29, 2014 19:18:16   #
amadjuster Loc: Amarillo, TX
 
larrypayne wrote:
After your suggestion that Mossad should put a bullet in my brain, I suspect that photo represents you much more than me.


I don't tell Mossad what to do. I just said "maybe" since you keep shooting your mouth off about Israel and Jews. Are you feeling guilty?

Bang
Bang...

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May 29, 2014 19:26:51   #
amadjuster Loc: Amarillo, TX
 
larrypayne wrote:
Cattle prod or billy club, what's the difference? He obviously used it on her.


If you don't know the difference between a cattle prod and a billy club, I'll bet a nice rancher where you live would be delighted to show you. Here's one way you can do it. Take a bat and thump yourself on the head. Then go take a leak on a Hotwire fence. You will then know the difference.

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May 29, 2014 19:28:56   #
whole2th
 
Kojack wrote:
Are we just a little antisemitic here? Not to mention a lack of facts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2TEq5Dhf4o

"lack of facts" This is such BS.

http://ae911truth.org WTC buildings were ultimately taken down with pre-rigged explosives. How did muslims get access to rig the buildings?

It wasn't muslims.

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May 29, 2014 19:34:17   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
dljen wrote:
Thank you so much for answering that. Most of those on UHH are conservative Republicans and hate Obama. They say how other countries laugh at him but I didn't get that from people I spoke to. Again, thanks for answering.


I work as a cameraman for German TV in East Asia, so I often rub shoulders with both the European and Asian diplomatic and business communities. Most people are sad at how far American actions differ from American ideals. I live six months of the year in mainland China, and I am absolutely no fan of their system nor of the abuse and hypocrisy typical of communist states. The repression in China is awful; all the more reason for America to re-examine its founding ideals and strive to honor them. America must lead by example, not by force. The only people fooled by American hypocrisy as it exists are Americans.

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May 29, 2014 19:37:29   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
kymarto wrote:
I work as a cameraman for German TV in East Asia, so I often rub shoulders with both the European and Asian diplomatic and business communities. Most people are sad at how far American actions differ from American ideals. I live six months of the year in mainland China, and I am absolutely no fan of their system nor of the abuse and hypocrisy typical of communist states. The repression in China is awful; all the more reason for America to re-examine its founding ideals and strive to honor them. America must lead by example, not by force. The only people fooled by American hypocrisy as it exists are Americans.
I work as a cameraman for German TV in East Asia, ... (show quote)


Well said! :thumbup:

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May 29, 2014 19:57:34   #
whole2th
 
kymarto wrote:
I work as a cameraman for German TV in East Asia, so I often rub shoulders with both the European and Asian diplomatic and business communities. Most people are sad at how far American actions differ from American ideals. I live six months of the year in mainland China, and I am absolutely no fan of their system nor of the abuse and hypocrisy typical of communist states. The repression in China is awful; all the more reason for America to re-examine its founding ideals and strive to honor them. America must lead by example, not by force. The only people fooled by American hypocrisy as it exists are Americans.
I work as a cameraman for German TV in East Asia, ... (show quote)


We have some of the worst examples of American idealism posting in this topic area. Certainly not all the posters here ere being fooled. They are change agents who are doggedly working to contain the quite visible criminality of those who have taken over United States government, military, banking, mass media and foreign policy.

I've encountered theses stereotypical change agent personalities in a dozen or so blogs. They use the same methods: ridicule, name-calling, sweeping rejection. Humans generally do not wish to be singled out for criticism, so they mostly watch or leave the discussions.

It is obvious here about whom I'm referring.

Their Achilles heel is the real truth about 9/11--and the many other lies they and their co-conspirators use to steer the human journey off a cliff.

We must confront and expose pure evil for anything to be transformed. The cockroaches scatter when the lights are turned on.

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May 29, 2014 20:10:15   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
amadjuster wrote:
I don't tell Mossad what to do. I just said "maybe" since you keep shooting your mouth off about Israel and Jews. Are you feeling guilty?


So you suggest agents of a foreign government should assassinate me for exercising my Constitutional American right of free speech.

Even saying "maybe" does not reduce the seriousness of your unAmerican attitude. Mossad should not be allowed to go after American citizens in this country or anywhere in the world no matter what they say about Israel or Zionism.

Your comments reveal that you are more dedicated to Israel and Zionism than you are for America or American Constitutional rights.

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May 29, 2014 20:17:00   #
GSQRD1 Loc: SAN ANTONIO, TX
 
Budnjax wrote:
Wednesday May 28th, 2014 informationliberation.com
American Soldiers Did Not Die Defending Our Freedom (Jacob G. Hornberger)

I was at the Washington Nationals baseball game yesterday. Whenever I attend a Nats game, there is an air of militarism surrounding the game, but attending on Memorial Day helps to remind us what a truly militarized society America has become.

After all, what in the world does baseball, a quite peaceful and enjoyable pastime, have to do with America's countless foreign wars, which have killed, tortured, and maimed millions of people?

One of the most fascinating aspects to U.S. militarism is the bromide that has infected the minds of so many Americans: that U.S. soldiers have sacrificed their lives or limbs in foreign wars to "defend our freedom" here at home. Not surprisingly, it was repeated at the Nationals game yesterday. People who came to watch a baseball game were asked to remember the sacrifices, including deaths, that American servicemen have made in the "defense of our freedom."

Why do I find that fascinating?

Two reasons: first, The bromide is palpably false, and, second, it is a testament to the power of state to indoctrinate the citizenry.

This is a bromide that is inculcated into every child, from the time he reaches six years of age and heads into the public (i.e., government) school system. By the time the kid reaches his teen years, the indoctrination is taking hold. By the time he becomes an adult, the indoctrination is complete. In fact, the indoctrination is so perfect that actually it doesn't matter what the troops are doing overseas. Whatever they are doing is automatically considered to be "defending our freedom."

Consider a hypothetical. Suppose there is some country thousands of miles away that is minding its own business. There are no attacks on the United States or even threats to attack the United States. The only problem is that the regime is not sufficiently submissive to the U.S. government.

The U.S. government decides to invade the country and install a pro-U.S. regime. The troops are sent into battle. Some are killed. Countless more people are killed on the other side.

There is no doubt that millions of Americans will automatically conclude that those U.S. troops killed and died "defending our freedom," notwithstanding the fact that our freedom was never at risk. Remember: that hypothetical country never attacked the United States or even threatened to do so. Yet, many Americans will nonetheless honor their brave and courageous soldiers who died or lost arms or legs while "defending our freedom." It is how the indoctrinated mind works.

How can I be so certain that that's the way many Americans would react to that hypothetical situation?

Because that's what happened with Iraq, a country whose government never attacked the United States or even threatened to do so. Thus, not one single U.S. soldier died in Iraq "defending our freedom" because our freedom was never threatened by Iraq.

The same holds true for the 58,000 plus American soldiers who died in the Vietnam War. North Vietnam was engaged in a civil war against South Vietnam. At no time did North Vietnam attack or invade the United States. It had no interest in doing so and, anyway, it lacked the military capability to do so. The U.S. government invaded Vietnam and embroiled itself in its civil war. At no time were the freedoms of the American people threatened by the North Vietnamese. The American troops who were sent to the deaths in Vietnam did not die in the defense of our freedom here at home.

The same is true for the tens of thousands of American men who were sent to their deaths in the Korean War. North Korea never attacked or invaded the United States or even threatened to do so. American freedom here at home was never threatened. Thus, those U.S. soldiers in Korea did not die defending our freedom.

What about the soldiers who died in the U.S. invasion of Panama or Grenada? Again, Panama and Granada never attacked the United States or even threatened to do so. Those troops did not die in the defense of our freedom.

World War I? At no time did Germany or Austria-Hungary attack the United States or even threaten to do so. The Great War was a war between empires, one that never endangered the freedom of the American people. The U.S. government simply chose to intervene in that conflict in the hopes of "making the world safe for democracy" and to "end all wars." Those U.S. soldiers who died in World War I did not die defending our freedom.

What about the so-called "good war"--World War II. While Japan attacked U.S. forces at Pearl Harbor and the Philippines, the attack was a direct consequence of President Roosevelt's repeated attempts to induce Japan to attack the United States to fulfill his wish to get the United States into the war. FDR had imposed an oil embargo on Japan, frozen Japanese bank accounts in the United States, and imposed humiliating terms in pre-war negotiations with Japan, all with the aim of getting Japan to "fire the first shot" so that the United States could get into the war. Japan never had the aim or the military means of invading and occupying the United States and depriving the American people of their freedom.

What about Nazi Germany? It desired to avoid war with the United States, which is why FDR used Japan as a "back door" to war. The only reason Germany declared war on the United States after Pearl Harbor was to fulfill its treaty obligations to Japan. Before England declared war on Germany, it was clear that Hitler was moving east toward the Soviet Union, not west toward the United States. Moreover, since Germany lacked the military means to cross the English Channel and invade England, how in the world would it cross the Atlantic Ocean and invade the United States?

Moreover, consider the aftermath of World War II: East Germany and Eastern Europe and China all under communist control. Isn't that what American soldiers actually died for--so that the communists, rather than the Nazis or Japanese, could control those parts of the world? Even if one finds that a worthy thing to die for, it's a far cry from dying in the defense of our freedom here at home.

Oh, I almost forgot Afghanistan. No, al-Qaeda was never going to invade and occupy the United States and take away our freedom. Neither was the Taliban. The 9/11 attacks were retaliation for actions taken by the U.S. government in the Middle East prior to 9/11. The Taliban government never attacked the United States or even threatened to do so.

The truth, as discomforting as it is, is that the many U.S soldiers who have been sacrificed in America's countless foreign wars did not die defending our freedom. That's nothing more than a false bromide used to justify America's never-ending foreign wars.

When enough people break through the indoctrination, as libertarians have, the bromide will no longer have the power it does over people's minds. At that point, maybe Americans will be free to enjoy baseball games and other sporting events without all the militarism attached to them.
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Jacob G. Hornberger is founder and president of The Future of Freedom Foundation. He was born and raised in Laredo, Texas, and received his B.A. in economics from Virginia Military Institute and his law degree from the University of Texas. He was a trial attorney for twelve years in Texas. He also was an adjunct professor at the University of Dallas, where he taught law and economics. In 1987, Mr. Hornberger left the practice of law to become director of programs at the Foundation for Economic Education. He has advanced freedom and free markets on talk-radio stations all across the country as well as on Fox News' Neil Cavuto and Greta van Susteren shows and he appeared as a regular commentator on Judge Andrew Napolitano's show Freedom Watch. View these interviews at LewRockwell.com and from Full Context. Send him email.
Wednesday May 28th, 2014 informationliberation.co... (show quote)

"...law degree from the University of Texas. He was a trial attorney for twelve years in Texas. He also was an adjunct professor at the University of Dallas, where he taught law and economics. In 1987, Mr. Hornberger left the practice of law to become director of programs at the Foundation for Economic Education. He has advanced freedom ..."

It figures!

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May 29, 2014 20:45:36   #
amadjuster Loc: Amarillo, TX
 
larrypayne wrote:
So you suggest agents of a foreign government should assassinate me for exercising my Constitutional American right of free speech.

Even saying "maybe" does not reduce the seriousness of your unAmerican attitude. Mossad should not be allowed to go after American citizens in this country or anywhere in the world no matter what they say about Israel or Zionism.

Your comments reveal that you are more dedicated to Israel and Zionism than you are for America or American Constitutional rights.
So you suggest agents of a foreign government shou... (show quote)


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