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May 24, 2014 14:19:12   #
rebride
 
You certainly don't need Lightroom. I don't believe it would add anything to your table.
As for a separate dedicated raw program, well that is a horse of different color.
Definitely give Photo Ninja and/or Capture One 7 Express a try.
Wow. Powerful and fun. Complex in a good way. Not hard to learn.

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May 24, 2014 17:18:20   #
Wall-E Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
pixbyjnjphotos wrote:
PSP 6 is an outstanding program that a lot of Hoggers don't have much of an idea of the power it has. If you are proficient with PSP 6, I am not sure how much better lightroom is as I am not that familiar with lightroom. It would have to be significantly better than PSP 6 for me to spend all the time to learn a new program. I did a trial of lightroom 4 when it came out and I was too confused with it to go for very long. Deleted it and went back to my PSP. PSP does not force you into a specific cataloging program like lightroom does with importing, exporting, and cataloging. Extremely confusing to me. But, that may be only for me because I am simple minded to start with and I understand hard drive structure. I want to know exactly where I put my images. The organizer in PSP suits me just fine. And, post processing capabilities are very good. PSP 6 uses the same plugins from Topaz, Redfield, NIK, etc as Photoshop and probably lightroom does. I apologize for the rant, but I get a little disturbed that so many people believe that lightroom is the one and only decent program for photo post processing.
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It's not necessary to USE the 'organizing' capabilities of LR.

I don't. I build a new catalog for each event/client.

But, for those that want to be able to do advanced searches by keyword/tags, dates, cameras, lenses, etc, then LR cataloging is for you.

PLUS, you get the premier image 'adjusting' software.

AND you get that and PSCC for $10 a month.

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May 25, 2014 05:50:56   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
bwilliams wrote:
I use psp 6 and am starting to shoot in raw. Would there be an advantage using a raw only program like light room or I am thinking photo ninja?


Lightroom will process all the images it can read. You will get your best results with raw, though. It is a great organization tool, and once you convert your images from raw to an editing format like TIF or PSD you can finish them in a pixel editor like PSP or Photoshop, etc.

For proof purposes the images can be edited in Lightroom or any raw converter, but it is generally advisable to finish the images in pixel editors, because you have greater control and accuracy, and can apply adjustments to specific areas using masking and layers in ways that are not possible in raw converters.

As a mentor I see 1000s of images - I have yet to see a "finished" image that comes out of Lightroom/DXO Optics Pro/Capture One/SilkyPix etc that could not benefit from additional finishing in Photoshop or other pixel editor.

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May 25, 2014 06:50:14   #
Dolmen
 
Good luck with whatever one you choose,I use both Lightroom & Aperture.If you do go with Lightroom Phil Steele has a tutorial,the best I've ever used.Just Google him.
I use Aperture,as I shoot a little video,now & again.

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May 25, 2014 06:57:33   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Mr PC wrote:
If you do try a trial of Lightroom, check out the many good video tutorials at youtube and by Adobe, B&H, Adorama and others.

Right. http://tv.adobe.com/ is excellent and free.

You can also get a week of lynda.com for free to see how you like it.

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May 25, 2014 07:19:27   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Well said. Your description goes beyond the sales hype of Adobe.

For my part, I find Photoshop Creative Cloud and Adobe Camera Raw together do almost everything by way of developing I need to bring out the potential of a given photograph.

I say "almost" because a few outstanding filters highly complement PCC; for example, Silver Efex Pro 2 for doing black-and-white conversions. At $149, the Google Nik Collection offers a bargain for some of the best filters made for PCC:

https://www.google.com/nikcollection/

Color Efex Pro performs most useful color contrast effects.

A few years ago, I began discovering the processing power of ACR, and now do the lion's share of my photo-editing there. ACR presents a seemingly simple approach to editing, yet once the user becomes familiar with it, ACR reveals its general and specific powers. ACR can even do a black-and-white conversion with split toning.

PCC has another filter available: ACR. The user can return to ACR at any time while in PCC.

In short, I use the approach Scott Kelby has articulated for doing photo editing: Fix it in ACR, and finish it in PCC.

Enough said.
amfoto1 wrote:
Lightroom and Photoshop serve different purposes and complement each other.

LR is a high volume, batch processing, keywording/organizing/search, and light editing tool. It's useful for making proofs (print or digital), maintaining catalogs and websites, and making slide shows, among other things. The image editing/optimization in LR is mostly limited to global adjustments. I usually spend less than a minute on an image in LR. For more finely finished work, pass off images from LR to PS.

PS is the mac daddy of image processing and optimization softwares. You can work right down to the pixel level if needed and can use multiple layers, masks and other tools for extremely precise work. Way, way beyond what can be done in LR. But PS's weakness is it's rather slow and cannot efficiently handle large volumes of images, and doesn't have much in the way of cataloging/keywording/search tools built in. For those functions, you need LR.

Hence, the two complement each other nicely.

Some folks who don't do a high volume of images get by fine with PS alone. Other folks who don't make finished prints of high quality and don't have any other high use for their images... maybe only display and share stuff online, make small prints occasionally for scrapbooks, for example... might find LR alone is adequate for their purposes.

Adobe Elements is a bit of each... It has "lite" versions of some of the major features of PS, along with some other features drawn from LR... Some even find Elements adequate for all their purposes.
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May 25, 2014 07:25:28   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
twillsol wrote:
Lightroom is not a Raw Only program. You can edid jpg and others as well


The same can be said of Raw Therapee and of PSP. Moreover, PSP comes with photo-management features as well though I'm in no position to compare those features with what is in Lightroom.

A lot of this software comparison comes down to what you are used to. I've added Raw Therapee to my tool-set because it does have a few features that PSP lacks - however I almost always follow that with a bit of final editing in PSP. Probably that mostly is because I've used PSP much longer and I feel more comfortable with it.

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May 25, 2014 07:39:35   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
Db7423 wrote:
You nailed it Capture. I can't imagine life w/o Lightroom. Probably do 98% of my editing there. ;)


most excellent

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May 25, 2014 07:39:43   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
twillsol wrote:
Lightroom is not a Raw Only program. You can edid jpg and others as well


I currently do all my processing in LR and raw.

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May 25, 2014 07:50:30   #
avman Loc: Normal IL
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Lightroom and Photoshop serve different purposes and complement each other.

LR is a high volume, batch processing, keywording/organizing/search, and light editing tool. It's useful for making proofs (print or digital), maintaining catalogs and websites, and making slide shows, among other things. The image editing/optimization in LR is mostly limited to global adjustments. I usually spend less than a minute on an image in LR. For more finely finished work, pass off images from LR to PS.

PS is the mac daddy of image processing and optimization softwares. You can work right down to the pixel level if needed and can use multiple layers, masks and other tools for extremely precise work. Way, way beyond what can be done in LR. But PS's weakness is it's rather slow and cannot efficiently handle large volumes of images, and doesn't have much in the way of cataloging/keywording/search tools built in. For those functions, you need LR.

Hence, the two complement each other nicely.

Some folks who don't do a high volume of images get by fine with PS alone. Other folks who don't make finished prints of high quality and don't have any other high use for their images... maybe only display and share stuff online, make small prints occasionally for scrapbooks, for example... might find LR alone is adequate for their purposes.

Adobe Elements is a bit of each... It has "lite" versions of some of the major features of PS, along with some other features drawn from LR... Some even find Elements adequate for all their purposes.
Lightroom and Photoshop serve different purposes a... (show quote)


One of the best descriptions I have seen....Well Done!

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May 25, 2014 08:07:57   #
MW
 
It might be more useful to respond with some thing LR can't do.

It does not create or manipulate layers.
No direct access to color channels other than levels and curves.
No image compositing.
Masking limited to brushed in effects, vertical & horizontal & circular gradients.

What remains is most other post processing adjustments. Most of the missing capabilities, above, can be handled by third party plug-ins.

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May 25, 2014 08:20:49   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
MW wrote:
It might be more useful to respond with some thing LR can't do.

It does not create or manipulate layers.
No direct access to color channels other than levels and curves.
No image compositing.
Masking limited to brushed in effects, vertical & horizontal & circular gradients.

What remains is most other post processing adjustments. Most of the missing capabilities, above, can be handled by third party plug-ins.


You just described Aperture as well.
I convert my RAW files to .PNG to avoid compressing them and losing detail.

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May 25, 2014 08:34:16   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
bwilliams wrote:
I use psp 6 and am starting to shoot in raw. Would there be an advantage using a raw only program like light room or I am thinking photo ninja?


If your shooting Canon try Digital Photo Pro, comes in your box,

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May 25, 2014 08:41:28   #
Harold K.
 
I just purchased Light room 5 and have been watching tutorials to figure out how it works, pretty amazing (everything about digital is amazing to me)

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May 25, 2014 11:03:03   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
bwilliams wrote:
I use psp 6 and am starting to shoot in raw. Would there be an advantage using a raw only program like light room or I am thinking photo ninja?


Of course there is. LR is one of the most popular programs made. It handles raw images the way they should be handled.

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