Photoshop Elements 12 vs. Photoshop Lightroom
Mar 7, 2014 07:11:35 #
mldavis2 wrote:
#Gene51 said it better than I did. LR and Elements may achieve similar visible results, but the way in which they do it is quite different. Elements is a pixel editor subset of Photoshop. Both Elements and Photoshop are fine-detail oriented solutions, while LR is aimed at high volume pros who must handle thousands of images and turn out work in a hurry without individual attention to each image, so there is a workflow or philosophical difference as well.
To build on mldavis' comments, in addition, I have yet to see an image that the shooter has proclaimed as "finished" coming out of LR that could not benefit from additional fine tuning and enhancement in a pixel editor. I see lots of work from many photographers, both amateurs and pros - and I can easily stand by my statement. I use LR/PS and many other applications to get my final images. I used to be a Photoshop/ACR fan, but found that LR let me work smarter and faster.
Mar 7, 2014 08:17:02 #
I went from PSE to LightRoom as my image file storage and retrieval software years ago and never looked back.
The answer to your question is yes. LR will pick up all of the keywords and rankings assigned to your images in PSE.
The one very important thing to remember is that you MUST always move and / or delete images or folders from within LR . . never with the computer operating system! This is necessary as LR maintains a database of your images from within LR and will have no idea of any actions taken outside of LR. Thus actions taken via the computer operating system will leave your LR catalog in disarray. NEVER is an important word to remember!
The answer to your question is yes. LR will pick up all of the keywords and rankings assigned to your images in PSE.
The one very important thing to remember is that you MUST always move and / or delete images or folders from within LR . . never with the computer operating system! This is necessary as LR maintains a database of your images from within LR and will have no idea of any actions taken outside of LR. Thus actions taken via the computer operating system will leave your LR catalog in disarray. NEVER is an important word to remember!
crbuckjr wrote:
I have 50,000 pictures stored in PSE with tags, stacks, version sets, rankings, etc. If I convert to Lightroom as my main organizer can all of that work be saved and used within Lightroom?
Mar 7, 2014 08:27:43 #
jcontezac wrote:
Hello everyone, I am new to the forum but I am in need of some insight! I currently have Photoshop Elements 12 and have been playing with the software for a few weeks now but I am wondering if I should have purchased Photoshop Lightroom. I do mostly portrait photography, and have seen several add on presets that you can purchase for Lightroom that I just love the effects it has on the photos. Any insights would be greatly appreciated!
What Gene51 and mldavis2 are patiently working toward is that these two programs work very well together as a team. You did not, as you suspect, make a mistake by buying PS Elements (at least in my opinion). You could very definitely benefit, however, from adding Lightroom to your arsenal, then adjust your workflow such to start processing your RAW images for White Balance, color, etc. in Lightroom, then finish any detailed adjustments with Elements. That 1-2 punch works very well for many members on here and is a heck of a lot cheaper than Photoshop CS. And it will be yours, not leased.
Mar 7, 2014 08:34:32 #
Both actually make a more complete package. Certainly a better deal than PS due to new marketing scheme.
Mar 7, 2014 08:38:35 #
Honestly, they are 2 different programs, and depending on how serious you are, you would cover much more ground if you use both. LR is better for some things, but you can't do layers. Which can be a necessity in some situations.
Mar 7, 2014 09:35:55 #
A question on LR and PS/Bridge. My impression is that Keywords assigned to a photo in Bridge are embedded in the EXIF data. Am I mistaken? And what, if any, is the relationship between Keywords assigned in Bridge and Keywords assigned in LR?
Mar 7, 2014 09:50:00 #
You can work mainly in LR but have PSE available as an external editor accessible from one of the LR menus. This way you don't need choose one or the other exclusively.
Mar 7, 2014 09:52:56 #
Allen Hirsch wrote:
I used to use Elements. Once I tried Lightroom, and started using it, I stopped using Elements altogether.
LR is easier and more user-friendly, IMO, and equally important, the keywording/cataloging is fully integrated in LR. (While in Elements, it's a completely separate module.)
LR is easier and more user-friendly, IMO, and equally important, the keywording/cataloging is fully integrated in LR. (While in Elements, it's a completely separate module.)
I don't see a difference between using the Elements Organizer and the Lightroom Library module.
But for portraits Lightroom is the better choice. Get Kelby's book. He explains how to do selective sharpening in Lightroom.
Mar 7, 2014 10:04:54 #
crbuckjr wrote:
I have 50,000 pictures stored in PSE with tags, stacks, version sets, rankings, etc. If I convert to Lightroom as my main organizer can all of that work be saved and used within Lightroom?
It does convert at the initial start up. My suggestion is that you download a free 30 day trial of LR and install it. Use the convert Elements catalog option and see how well it does at keeping your work.
The terms and concepts used in Organizer and LR are not exactly the same so you may or may not like the result.
Lightroom will not destroy your Elements Organizer set up and files. You can abandon the free trial and remove it from your computer if you don't like it.
Good luck!
Mar 7, 2014 10:06:04 #
MtnMan wrote:
I don't see a difference between using the Elements Organizer and the Lightroom Library module.
Really?
Mar 7, 2014 10:32:34 #
Sheila wrote:
I use both Lightroom and Elements. Lightroom is be... (show quote)
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Mar 7, 2014 10:44:49 #
warrior wrote:
Photoshop elements 12 and light room 5 are working in Harmony with each other here.
Same here.
Mar 7, 2014 11:35:03 #
All I can say is you have opened a can of worms here. You have the PSE and the Lightroom fans. With LR5 you can do certain things, with PSE you can do certain things. It all depends on how much you want to do or how much your time is worth. To spend 3 hours on a photo to upload to Facebook? Or 3 hours on a 16X20+ print to sell.
Mar 7, 2014 12:45:09 #
Dave783
Loc: New Jersey
How does LR and Elements work together if you are using LR for your first edits, then want to edit in Elements? Does LR export a JPEG to elements, then you edit in elements and that is your final JPEG? Once the file leaves LR and opens in Elements you should be done all LR edits, because now your working in a JPEG? Or does Elements also use ACR and you are still editing a RAW file except it is in Elements, and then saves those changes back to the RAW file in LR, then you export as a JPEG from LR? Sorry if this is confusing, i'm still trying to grasp how the work flow happens. I'm also trying to decide to upgrade to LR and/or Elements. I'm now using Canon's DPP for RAW processing now.
Mar 7, 2014 12:47:02 #
brucewells wrote:
Elements is a subset of Photoshop, a graphics editor.
mldavis2 wrote:
Elements is a pixel editor subset of Photoshop.
For Pete's sake! Let's not disseminate erroneous information. Elements is NOT a subset of Photoshop. Where did you get this idea? They are two different programs, independent from each other.
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