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Jan 27, 2012 13:04:16   #
Dave K
 
AK Dreamer wrote:
It seems to me more and more photo enthusiasts are trying their hands at HDR and asking for comments. I've only commented to one individual and will refrain from doing so in the future as I believe most of these attempts at art are nothing short of disastrous. Good photos are turned into images worthy of nothing but the circular file. Out-of-focus photos are now stated to have been created using the Orton effect. Perhaps I'm an old stick in the mud but unless done properly HDR is a waste of everyone's time. By now you can see I am not a fan of HDR and am strongly in favor of natural photography. All that having been said and probably provoking many, I can support different art forms and believe expanding one's knowledge base is commendable but folks...HDR & Orton is not for me. What I'd like to see is a seperate section for HDR & Orton Effect added to this forum (like the macro section) so that when one opens a thread expecting to view realistic photos he/she is not confronted with cartoonish or garrish images. I'd like to know what others think about this and please don't nail me to the cross. I don't advocate not displaying the work of those that believe HDR & Orton are legitimite art forms, I would just like to have them in a collection where one can avoid them at will. Convince me I'm wrong...an old dog can learn new tricks but it may take a while.
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If I may add my wee thoughts here, your argument is valid to a point. It's the same argument people once used about abstractionism, pointilism, impressionism, pop art, Warhol, Picasso, Pollock, and a plethora of other movements in the "traditional" art world. Each was decried as being the death of art and should be immediately burned and its practioners at least flogged if not put to death.

C'mon! Get a grip. Art, of any kind, is in the eye of the beholder and the creator of that piece. I can wad a piece of paper up and toss it onto the floor and say it's art, and, you know what? It IS art. Art is defined by the artist and only acknowledged by the viewer.

You know, I, too, look through the threads just like you do. If I see something I'm not interested in - such as all the Canon vs. Nikon garbage or "what lens should I buy?" - I just don't open them. If, on the other hand, I see something in which I think I might be interested, I'll open it and begin reading. I assure you I'm smart enough to decide within a sentence or three if it's something of any real interest to me and, if not, I simply return to the digest and move on to the next thread.

I assure you I'm probably every bit as busy as you, but I am also quite capable of deciding what to read and what to ignore. I don't need a nanny to make those decisions for me.

Besides, I'll sometimes find something in a particular thread that catches my interest, after all. Reading about new techniques, y'see, is how we learn and grow as photographers and as artists.

Don't we already have far too many people making decisions for us? Are we now incapable of thinking for ourselves? How about doing this: how about accepting responsibility for yourself and making your own decisions?

Dave K

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Jan 27, 2012 13:27:06   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
AK Dreamer wrote:
It seems to me more and more photo enthusiasts are trying their hands at HDR and asking for comments. I've only commented to one individual and will refrain from doing so in the future as I believe most of these attempts at art are nothing short of disastrous. Good photos are turned into images worthy of nothing but the circular file. Out-of-focus photos are now stated to have been created using the Orton effect. Perhaps I'm an old stick in the mud but unless done properly HDR is a waste of everyone's time. By now you can see I am not a fan of HDR and am strongly in favor of natural photography. All that having been said and probably provoking many, I can support different art forms and believe expanding one's knowledge base is commendable but folks...HDR & Orton is not for me. What I'd like to see is a seperate section for HDR & Orton Effect added to this forum (like the macro section) so that when one opens a thread expecting to view realistic photos he/she is not confronted with cartoonish or garrish images. I'd like to know what others think about this and please don't nail me to the cross. I don't advocate not displaying the work of those that believe HDR & Orton are legitimite art forms, I would just like to have them in a collection where one can avoid them at will. Convince me I'm wrong...an old dog can learn new tricks but it may take a while.
It seems to me more and more photo enthusiasts are... (show quote)



Had to weigh in. Usually never post photos - I do mostly HDR for private enjoyment. Tons of it. I love it. Period. Last year, in Africa, the attached were taken, among thousands on that particular trip. The originals would be unrecognizable, but these HDR's (from cropped and edited shots) made me enjoy looking at them, and the memories. My family wants me to do nothing but. It's just fun. I don't solicite comment - just enjoy, or not. I'm a huge fan of this site, my fellow Hogs, and love photography - wherever that leads. I encourage others. Thanks for what you do, Dreamer. Keep encouraging others. And question.

ELEPHANT HIDDEN IN THE BUSH - AFRICA '11
ELEPHANT HIDDEN IN THE BUSH - AFRICA '11...

GIRAFFE BUTT - AFRICA '11
GIRAFFE BUTT - AFRICA '11...

LION IN THE ROUGH - AFRICA - '11
LION IN THE ROUGH - AFRICA - '11...

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Jan 27, 2012 13:28:31   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
neil43 wrote:
AK Dreamer wrote:
It seems to me more and more photo enthusiasts are trying their hands at HDR and asking for comments. I've only commented to one individual and will refrain from doing so in the future as I believe most of these attempts at art are nothing short of disastrous. Good photos are turned into images worthy of nothing but the circular file. Out-of-focus photos are now stated to have been created using the Orton effect. Perhaps I'm an old stick in the mud but unless done properly HDR is a waste of everyone's time. By now you can see I am not a fan of HDR and am strongly in favor of natural photography. All that having been said and probably provoking many, I can support different art forms and believe expanding one's knowledge base is commendable but folks...HDR & Orton is not for me. What I'd like to see is a seperate section for HDR & Orton Effect added to this forum (like the macro section) so that when one opens a thread expecting to view realistic photos he/she is not confronted with cartoonish or garrish images. I'd like to know what others think about this and please don't nail me to the cross. I don't advocate not displaying the work of those that believe HDR & Orton are legitimite art forms, I would just like to have them in a collection where one can avoid them at will. Convince me I'm wrong...an old dog can learn new tricks but it may take a while.
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Would you have a "seperate [sic] section" for Ansel Adams, who famously used HDR (the equivalent of) back in the day before computers? There is well-done HDR and the opposite, just as there is well-done "natural" and its opposite.
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only fellow photogs dwelt on how he did it,the masses just said WOW.

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Jan 27, 2012 13:33:42   #
mtbearded1 Loc: U.S.A. : Montana : Missoula
 
In the seven years I've had my digital cameras, I've tried HDR on a few (very few) occasions. That's with over 34,000 images taken in the seven years. For the most part, I agree that the images I see on various fora marked HDR are overdone, stylized within an inch of their life, and rather cartoonish. That said, I ran into one situation where HDR was exactly what I needed to get the image I wanted. I was photographing the Natural Pier Bridge across the Clark Fork River near Alberton, Montana. The bridge spans the river with steep canyon walls behind it, and, of course, the time of day had me shooting into the sun. I took three separate exposures and merged them in Photoshop to come up with an image that both pleased me and allowed for a balance between the bright sky and the dark canyon walls.

Natural Pier Bridge, Alberton, Montana--an exercise in HDR
Natural Pier Bridge, Alberton, Montana--an exercis...

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Jan 27, 2012 13:59:35   #
YAllen
 
HDR works with certain photos, it does not work on anything & everything, if you shoot high rise buildings with water/river at night you can really get a very nice effect, You can't use it on closeup headshot.

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Jan 27, 2012 14:12:11   #
neil43
 
YAllen wrote:
HDR works with certain photos, it does not work on anything & everything, if you shoot high rise buildings with water/river at night you can really get a very nice effect, You can't use it on closeup headshot.


The point of HDR is to take photos of scenes that have a high dynamic range, something a portrait would not normally have.

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Jan 27, 2012 14:21:01   #
randym77
 
I think one reason HDR is so popular is that for awhile at least, the big drawback for digital photography was a more limited dynamic range than film. (I don't know if this is still true; technology is improving so quickly it's hard to keep up.) HDR was a way to address that problem.

I'd guess that most of the really nice digital landscape photos you see have a little HDR. With a subtle touch, you won't even know it's HDR.

I'd guess that in the long run, we'll see more and more digital special effects, just because technology is making it easier. For now, though, I don't think you have worry about Orton taking over the forum. It's a fad. People found a new toy and are playing with it. They'll find a new toy and move on soon.

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Jan 27, 2012 14:36:11   #
Mudshark Loc: Illinois
 
I don't like to speak on subjects I don't really know...BUT...it seems to me HDR is useful in certain images and I suspect that the people who start down this path just keep looking around the next corner...just taking it a little step further and then...another little step further and most of what I see...well...I think they should have stopped in Cleveland and they've taken it all the way to London...sometimes...Paris.

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Jan 27, 2012 14:48:17   #
randym77
 
Mudshark wrote:
I don't like to speak on subjects I don't really know...BUT...it seems to me HDR is useful in certain images and I suspect that the people who start down this path just keep looking around the next corner...just taking it a little step further and then...another little step further and most of what I see...well...I think they should have stopped in Cleveland and they've taken it all the way to London...sometimes...Paris.


Sometimes. But sometime's it's just that they have different goals.

HDR can actually make your photos more realistic. The human eye has a wider dynamic range than a digital camera, so HDR can make a scene look more like the way we see it.

Too much looks unrealistic, but a lot of people like that. Why photograph in black and white, or infrared? It's certainly not "realistic."

FWIW, the software sold to do HDR usually lets you choose: subtle, realistic, artistic, fantastic, etc.

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Jan 27, 2012 15:00:21   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
This is a quickie HDR I just did. I combined four images using Photomatix. The one I'm showing here is fusion default, one of about a dozen choices.



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Jan 27, 2012 15:05:47   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
wow! That opened a can of worms! 6 whole pages of snark.

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Jan 27, 2012 15:14:37   #
neil43
 
DougW wrote:
wow! That opened a can of worms! 6 whole pages of snark.


Surely not all snark.

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Jan 27, 2012 15:15:19   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
Wow. I'm not even half-way through this thread, and I can't wait to get out of it.

I think there's a problem here. When I joined UHH, there were two main sections. Now I'm losing count. There's Main Photography Discussion. There's Photo Gallery (just display and admire), and Photo Analysis (display, admire, alter, argue). And now we have People Photography and True Macro-Photography. Plus General Chit-Chat, Links and Resources and Members Buy/Sell/Trade.

I can live with General Chit-Chat as a forum of people who have gotten familiar with each other, and who want to talk about issues not related to photography. Buy/sell/trade is a sensible, specialized area. But how many separate sections do we need? I've already just about given up on the two newest sections, although I'd be more likely to pay attention if they appeared in the Photo Gallery or Photo Analysis sections.

I do agree that many of the subject lines are way too uninformative. Getting people to be more specific in labeling their posts would be far more helpful, as far as I'm concerned, than turning UHH into the equivalent of a big box drugstore where you need a map to find the aisle with the toothpaste.

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Jan 27, 2012 15:16:30   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
Thats true' but sometimes i think Thumper had i right

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Jan 27, 2012 15:19:15   #
JPM
 
If you've never seen HDR done right, check out this website.
http://stuckincustoms.smugmug.com/

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