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Mar 4, 2014 16:02:23   #
Country's Mama Loc: Michigan
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
This does not appear to be a copyright issue at all, at least from the woman's perspective.

Most (if not all) states have a statute which prohibits the commercial appropriation of the likeness of a person without that person's permission, and gives the "victim" of such appropriation a legal remedy. These statutes are based on a person's legitimate privacy expectations.

I'm not aware of any successful case where the likeness at issue is from an official "mug shot," since the subject of the mug shot has no recognized privacy expectations in that image.\\But it seems like this image was from an ersatz mug shot, initially taken as some type of advertising ploy.

The issue will be whether the subject's expectaion of privacy (and statutory protection) was waived by her consent to the use of her likeness in the initial ad. This is a tort case, not a contract case, and so the language in her model release, if any, while relevant is not controling of the outcome.
This does not appear to be a copyright issue at al... (show quote)


This mug shot was taken by the police when she was arrested for drunk driving.

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Mar 4, 2014 18:43:18   #
MDI Mainer
 
Well, that's not what the article said (described it as an "ad of a beautiful female’s fake mugshot fake mugshot"), but I have no knowledge of the particulars of this case.

Country's Mama wrote:
This mug shot was taken by the police when she was arrested for drunk driving.

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Mar 4, 2014 19:09:04   #
Country's Mama Loc: Michigan
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
Well, that's not what the article said (described it as an "ad of a beautiful female’s fake mugshot fake mugshot"), but I have no knowledge of the particulars of this case.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/meagan-simmons-attractive_n_3045604.html

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Mar 4, 2014 19:15:39   #
MDI Mainer
 
OK, thanks for the additional info.

Country's Mama wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/meagan-simmons-attractive_n_3045604.html

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Mar 5, 2014 10:12:58   #
snapshot4619 Loc: AZ USA
 
Funny I was listening to a talk radio show yesterday and they brought up photography copyrights. The question was if I hand my camera to someone to take my picture who owns the copyrights? Their answer was the person taking the photo owns the copyright, even if they use your camera! I have not verified this but throwing it in here for more conversation.

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Mar 5, 2014 10:36:50   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
The issue here is: when does an individual lose control of their own image for commercial purposes? I just don’t believe that the image existing in a public record empowers any and all to use that image for profit. While federal mug shots are in the public domain, I think that only means you can get a copy. Laws protecting individual privacy rights are not, I believe, superseded by the copyright being in the public domain. They are two separate issues.

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Mar 5, 2014 10:47:50   #
tomw
 
dsmeltz wrote:
The issue here is: when does an individual lose control of their own image for commercial purposes? I just don’t believe that the image existing in a public record empowers any and all to use that image for profit. While federal mug shots are in the public domain, I think that only means you can get a copy. Laws protecting individual privacy rights are not, I believe, superseded by the copyright being in the public domain. They are two separate issues.


I think this is correct. There are two issues: First who owns the copyright? The photographer or his employer or it is public with no copyright claim being made.

Second: Who controls commercial exploitation of the likeness? There it is probably the subject.

So, if a newspaper or website publishes a mug shot it's a public image and the subject has no claim. If the mugshot is used in advertising, the subject may well have a claim.

Somebody referred to her as Miss Demeanor. I thought that was clever for several reasons.

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Mar 5, 2014 10:54:06   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
tomw wrote:
I think this is correct. There are two issues: First who owns the copyright? The photographer or his employer or it is public with no copyright claim being made.

Second: Who controls commercial exploitation of the likeness? There it is probably the subject.

So, if a newspaper or website publishes a mug shot it's a public image and the subject has no claim. If the mugshot is used in advertising, the subject may well have a claim.

Somebody referred to her as Miss Demeanor. I thought that was clever for several reasons.
I think this is correct. There are two issues: F... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup:

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Mar 5, 2014 11:26:52   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Country's Mama wrote:
I ran across this article and thought it might create an interesting discussion.
Though it doesn't state who took the photo in this article in others it says it was a mug shot, so I assume it was taken by the police and is public record.
Now the question. Are they using this photo illegally. Who owns the copy right? She didn't take the picture, so does she have a case.
http://www.examiner.com/article/attractive-convict-lawsuit-florida-woman-sues-for-hot-mugshot-photo-overuse?cid=rss


Personally I think her attractiveness is overstated if that is the picture in question. From what I have read I would venture to say that she has no complaint in this dig fight.

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Mar 5, 2014 13:28:53   #
LPigott Loc: Monterey Peninsula, CA
 
Current news provides the legal answer: The now famous Twitter pic taken at the Oscars is the property of Bradley Cooper who snapped the shot. It doesn't belong to Ellen whose phone was used nor any of the celebrities in the image (except Cooper).

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Mar 5, 2014 15:18:04   #
dickwilber Loc: Indiana (currently)
 
LPigott wrote:
Current news provides the legal answer: The now famous Twitter pic taken at the Oscars is the property of Bradley Cooper who snapped the shot. It doesn't belong to Ellen whose phone was used nor any of the celebrities in the image (except Cooper).


Correct! But Mr. Cooper does not have the right to use that photo in an advertisement without the permission of all identifiable persons in that photo. Reproduction as a news item falls under the First Amendment.

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Mar 5, 2014 16:22:25   #
snapshot4619 Loc: AZ USA
 
Here is an hour long video with a copyright attorney which is very informative and worth the time to listen.

http://blog.photoshelter.com/2013/08/video-interview-copyright-registration-infringement-information/

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Mar 6, 2014 10:00:14   #
Ralloh Loc: Ohio
 
Country's Mama wrote:
I ran across this article and thought it might create an interesting discussion.
Though it doesn't state who took the photo in this article in others it says it was a mug shot, so I assume it was taken by the police and is public record.
Now the question. Are they using this photo illegally. Who owns the copy right? She didn't take the picture, so does she have a case.
http://www.examiner.com/article/attractive-convict-lawsuit-florida-woman-sues-for-hot-mugshot-photo-overuse?cid=rss


Without reading any other responses, since arrest filings are public record, I would assume any mug shots would be too. I don't think she has a case, but, it will be interesting to see what the courts think.

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Mar 6, 2014 12:06:11   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
UP-2-IT wrote:
Personally I think her attractiveness is overstated if that is the picture in question. From what I have read I would venture to say that she has no complaint in this dig fight.



You're right! And less attractive people should get less compensation!!

Oh, wait. Does that mean, I would have to pay someone if they misappropriated my face?

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Mar 6, 2014 17:04:55   #
Country's Mama Loc: Michigan
 
Ralloh wrote:
Without reading any other responses, since arrest filings are public record, I would assume any mug shots would be too. I don't think she has a case, but, it will be interesting to see what the courts think.


I will try and keep track of what happens.

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