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Mar 1, 2014 15:57:15   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
PNagy wrote:
Nagy: 6. Why did you not challenge the lies Bush II told to justify his invasion of Iraq?

Blurryeyed: A. What LIES? Although we found no chemical weapons in Iraq, it is clear that even if Iraq was a mistake that the president acted on the intelligence both from US intelligence agencies and those of our European allies... Again, you are full of crap, just review the Dems starting with Clinton while still in office, followed by the democratic leadership in both houses of congress calling for something to be done about Saddam and his WMD.

Nagy: First, I do not care for your tawdry use of vulgarity. Secondly, you are either ignorant of the facts, or have some sort of vested interest in covering them up. In February, the month before the invasion, I wrote an article entitled "Weapons of Mass Deception." Later that year John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton wrote a book by the same title. The chemical and biological weapons that Donald Rumsfeld had sold Iraq were useless from lack of maintenance. The UNSCUM and UNMOVIC inspectors testified to that. The nuclear program had not been been reconstituted since the Israeli militaristic strike on the Osirac nuclear power plant.

All of that is irrelevant anyway.Who the hell is the US to tell the whole world who may have weapons and who may not, and to attack without provocation on the false charge that the weapons existed? Perhaps you need to read about some aspects of international law signed by the United States, such as the UN Charter and Fourth Geneva Convention. We are pledged to make war only for defensive purpose. The preposterous claim that Iraq could possibly be a military threat to the US is not justification for destroying the country. You either lack morals or minimal reasoning abilities.
Nagy: 6. Why did you not challenge the lies Bush I... (show quote)


Again you ignore the facts: We invaded Iraq as part of a UN multi-national force. The "Weapons of Mass Destruction" label obscures the actual problem. It is public record that Sadaam had and used chemical weapons. It is know that he was using chemical weapons against the Kurds in the north of Iraq. Chemical weapons are banned by all Nations subscribing to the UN accords. Those chemical weapons we could not find have recently been used in Syria. Again, public record. Iraq was not a threat to the U.S. Iraq was in violation of a world wide ban on the manufacture and use of chemical weapons. The UN took action to secure those weapons. The U.S. was put in charge of the action because our military leaders refused to put their men under the command of a foreign commander.

Read a history book Nagy. Your ignorance is becoming boring.

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Mar 1, 2014 16:00:44   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
LOL Nagy, I guess I can have some fun with this.... :-D :-D

Twenty Questions for Right Wing Nuts - Peter Nagy

1. Why do you call yourselves conservatives, when you want to preserve only your privileges, but are willing radically to expand them?

A. WTF are you talking about Nagy, more hysterical gibberish from one who demands the fruits of the labors of others.

2. Why did you not condemn Reagan’s illegal Iran/Contra operations?

A. Not so sure that Reagan was ever actually connected to Iran/Contra even though the left gave him their best shot. Not so sure that I supported Iran/Contra at any rate.

3. If tax cuts for the rich produce jobs, why is there a high rate of unemployment now, when tax cuts for the rich are at a multi-decade low?

A. The current downturn that we are in has nothing to do with tax cuts for the rich but rather has everything to do with the policies of both the Fed and the Federal government which lead to the housing crisis and the collapse of our economy. It would have eventually happened anyway even without the housing crisis as that only accelerated the process and worsened the wealth loss.

4. Given that revolutions are radical, how can there have been a “Reagan Revolution” and a “Gingrich Revolution” led by men who said they were conservative?

A. Because Any disruption in our Fabian march to socialism is indeed a radical development.

5. Why were you silent about Saddam Hussein having acquired his chemical and nuclear weapons from Donald Rumsfeld in 1983 and 1985?

Your full of conspiracy theories aren't you Nagy, been reading too much Salon and Mother Jones it would seem. Rumsfeld did no such thing although he was a bit accommodating to the Iraq dictator during those years, probably had more to do with a balance of power in the region more so than anything else, but it certainly had nothing to do with chemical or nuclear weapons.

6. Why did you not challenge the lies Bush II told to justify his invasion of Iraq?

A. What LIES? Although we found no chemical weapons in Iraq, it is clear that even if Iraq was a mistake that the president acted on the intelligence both from US intelligence agencies and those of our European allies... Again, you are full of crap, just review the Dems starting with Clinton while still in office, followed by the democratic leadership in both houses of congress calling for something to be done about Saddam and his WMD.

7. With the highest military budget on the planet, what is your excuse for having sent American soldiers to Iraq without adequate body and vehicular armor?

A. Not so sure that is a conservative thing, seems the dems have been quite happy to do the same.

8. How do you justify impeaching Bill Clinton for lying about a private sex act, while not lifting a finger against Bush II for telling lies that justified the War on Iraq, which killed at least a million Iraqis and thousands of Americans?

A. More paranoia from the left. Already answered.

9. When you say that gay marriage erodes the sanctity of marriage, do you mean it will keep marriages from being as sacred as Newt Gingrich’s?

A. LOL Just what legal interest does the state have in the definition of the word Marriage? I for one have made a strong argument for equal protections of gay unions under our laws.

10. Why did you name “Clear Skies Act” the 2003 law that actually weakened existing air pollution controls by permitting more toxins in the air than before, and which cut the budget for their enforcement?

It failed anyway, why are you still crying about it?

11. Why did you not oppose Bush and Gale Norton’s Healthy Forests Initiative, an Orwellian program that sought to eliminate forest fires by allowing lumber companies to clearcut federal forest?

I am sure that most conservatives are not even aware of the Healthy Forests Initiative and I am also sure that the proposal was not to clear cut entire forests

12. If you believe in free enterprise, why did the GOP arrest seniors who went to Canada to buy less expensive pharmaceuticals?

Is the Obama administration not doing the same today? Personally I think that we should be able to purchase those pharmaceuticals.

13. By family values, do you mean Larry Craig’s?

14. How do you justify dramatically reducing (in 1998) the Social Security payments to teachers who were in SS-exempt state retirement systems, but had accumulated an SS pension via jobs outside of teaching?

A. Isn't it a well known fact that conservatives hate teachers?

15. What is your justification for continuing the oil depletion allowance?

A. Now you show your ignorance, why not just ask why any business be allowed capital depreciation?

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p535/ch09.html

16. Given that you insist on “sequestering” all entitlements that assist ordinary people, why have you raised assistance to Big Agra over $114 billion?

A. Conservatives if they had their way would get rid of all subsidies. Don't kid yourself Nagy, there are plenty of Dems helping to keep those subsidies alive.

17. What is your reason for thrusting people into health care problems by opposing the only plan that gives all other advanced nations longer lives and lower medical costs, namely socialized medicine?

Because the American promise has always been a different promise, it is not the socialist promise of the European nations, you may remember that we fought a war as a fledgling upstart against the greatest military empire in the world, against all odds our founders risked all to break the chains that bound us to Europe... Why don't you just move back there Nagy?

18. Why are you opposing “Obamacare,” but did not raise a voice against “Romneycare” on which it is based?

A. Really? Why should people in one state get all worked up about what the government of another state is up to? Maybe you had not noticed but Massachusetts is one of the bluest states in the country, if the folks of that state want socialized medicine so be it, what the people of one state does not have baring on the rest of us.

19. If people on welfare are frauds, why are a majority of them working?

A. Are you denying welfare fraud and the government's apparent lack of concern?

20. If the free market governs itself, why did it allow the major finance institutions to become “too big to fail,” thus obligating everyone to bail it out?
LOL Nagy, I guess I can have some fun with this...... (show quote)


A. Again you show your ignorance, there is no such thing as free markets in our banking industry, it is a prime example of fascism in our economy, as it is an alliance of the Fed, Treasury, and America's largest banking interests colluding to run and control our economy and society while all three driving mutual benefit from the relationship! They excluded the free market from the banking industry back in 1913 when a progressive president allowed the largest banking interests in the country to write the legislation which brought the Fed into existence... give me a break Nagy![/quote]

Good answer on #20. You might have added that the Fed was created by the efforts of Jewish German banker, Paul Warburg, to finance WWI and has been used to finance every war since.

On. #17 you say we fought WWII or was it WWI (you don't say) to break the chains that bound us to Europe. You need to do a lot more research on that theory. Wall Street war profiteers helped build up the Nazis by providing them with formulas for synthetic gasoline and synthetic rubber.
Preston Bush, W's grandfather, had his bank shut down after the war started for financing the Nazi war machine.

All wars are fought for economic reasons. Germany and Japan were becoming threats to U.S. trade. The original U.S. plan in Europe was to build up the Nazis and let them fight it out with Russia, weakening both countries in the process. When it became apparent that Russia would defeat Germany and become too powerful in Europe as a result, the U.S. decided to enter the war.

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Mar 1, 2014 16:14:54   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
larrypayne wrote:
All wars are fought for economic reasons. Germany and Japan were becoming threats to U.S. trade. The original U.S. plan in Europe was to build up the Nazis and let them fight it out with Russia, weakening both countries in the process. When it became apparent that Russia would defeat Germany and become too powerful in Europe as a result, the U.S. decided to enter the war.


The U.S. was practicing a policy of isolationism and tried not to enter WWII. Our unwillingness to enter the war was seen as weakness. However a little disagreement with Hitler's allies in Japan forced us to jump in. We call that disagreement Pearl Harbor. Perhaps you forgot about that little deal.

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Mar 1, 2014 16:19:20   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
PNagy wrote:
Nagy: 19. If people on welfare are frauds, why are a majority of them working?

Blurryeyed: A. Are you denying welfare fraud and the government's apparent lack of concern?

Nagy: A degree of fraud exists in nearly everything. A majority who receive personal relief are not frauds. On the other hand, 100% of corporate welfare is fraud and amounts to far more than personal welfare.


'Personal relief' is not the responsibility of the federal government !!

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Mar 1, 2014 16:21:37   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
PNagy wrote:
Nagy: 20. If the free market governs itself, why did it allow the major finance institutions to become “too big to fail,” thus obligating everyone to bail it out?


Blurryeyed: A. Again you show your ignorance, there is no such thing as free markets in our banking industry, it is a prime example of fascism in our economy, as it is an alliance of the Fed, Treasury, and America's largest banking interests colluding to run and control our economy and society while all three driving mutual benefit from the relationship! They excluded the free market from the banking industry back in 1913 when a progressive president allowed the largest banking interests in the country to write the legislation which brought the Fed into existence... give me a break Nagy!
Nagy: 20. If the free market governs itself, why d... (show quote)


Nagy: Blurry, you are such a jerk you even manage to insult me when we agree. In your foaming at the mouth rage you failed to understand the facetious nature of my statement. Let me spell it out to you; I also deny the existence of a free market for the same reasons you outlined. Now go ahead and issue some pompous statements about what I don't understand. It will make you feel better.[/quote]

The banking industry is regulated by the government for what they can't do and by what they must do. Another place it does not belong.

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Mar 1, 2014 16:25:36   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Danilo wrote:
I am also amused, Geff. That PNagy would question those for whom he has no respect is amusing. That he seems so hopelessly stuck in the past, leaving it only to defend the ACA like the proud new owner of a pound-puppy.

It would have been far more interesting had he put forth his answers to these questions. And Frank T is the wagging tail on the left-wing nut of the puppy looking for a healthy tree to pee on.


And YOU are offering not ONE answer...that's a sign of a true...hole

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Mar 1, 2014 16:26:16   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
PNagy wrote:
"Nagy really put a lot of thought into the questions, but unfortunately he didn't use any of it on 'why' he took the time to create them in the first place."

It took me about as much time as it takes for my letters to hit the computer keys.


No time for thought as I suspected.
A great attorney once told me 'never ask a question that you don't already know the answer to.'

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Mar 1, 2014 16:32:07   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Hanoverfarms wrote:
PNagy........I usually avoid this BS. But you are 100% right. You hit the nail on the head . Ignore these totally ignorant replies. By the way, my wife and I worked VERY hard all our lives, and never took a dime from anybody. Now , comfortably retired. We believe ,we are in this all together, and must help the neediest among us. Universal health care etc. . Your list of facts are right on.


I have no problem with helping the needy. People are more than welcome to help out. It is not a federal government issue. And neither is healthcare as it is not a right nor is it mandatory for people to have. If the system isn't working right, it's up to the people to fix it.
The government has stepped so far over it's boundaries it needs to be beat back in place.

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Mar 1, 2014 16:34:06   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
larrypayne wrote:
Good answer on #20. You might have added that the Fed was created by the efforts of Jewish German banker, Paul Warburg, to finance WWI and has been used to finance every war since.

On. #17 you say we fought WWII or was it WWI (you don't say) to break the chains that bound us to Europe. You need to do a lot more research on that theory. Wall Street war profiteers helped build up the Nazis by providing them with formulas for synthetic gasoline and synthetic rubber.
Preston Bush, W's grandfather, had his bank shut down after the war started for financing the Nazi war machine.

All wars are fought for economic reasons. Germany and Japan were becoming threats to U.S. trade. The original U.S. plan in Europe was to build up the Nazis and let them fight it out with Russia, weakening both countries in the process. When it became apparent that Russia would defeat Germany and become too powerful in Europe as a result, the U.S. decided to enter the war.
Good answer on #20. You might have added that the ... (show quote)


Larry Payne rewrites history but, why?

You don't understand that you are considered to be one of the "those people" by the 1% you are so hasty to defend. You only think that you're among the "betters" of society because they have managed to start a race war to distract you from how much of your earnings they are stealing. You, my friend are dupe and a pawn of the 1%.



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Mar 1, 2014 16:44:03   #
Hanoverfarms Loc: Littleton , Colorado
 
BigBear.......I disagree completely! Health care IS a right. The well off , should not be the oly ones who can access quality care. Every other industrialized country, and many others provide universal health care. Your position is morally bankrupt!!

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Mar 1, 2014 16:47:06   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
Blurryeyed: What you are suggesting is that there is no private ownership of mineral rights is it not Peter? Why not come out and suggest that there should be no private ownership rights of oh... let's say factories?, or maybe farm land.

Nagy: I do not submit my ideas until they fully mature. I was ready to put myself on the line when in 1984 I predicted the exact sequence in which the Soviet Union would unravel at a time that Henry Kissinger insisted we would have to deal with it into the indefinite future. I knew it would fall because it was an empire that essentially had not successfully passed the stage of tribute collected from the conquered territories, and could make further conquests because American containment limited its growth. The Soviet Union was essentially the second coming of the Assyrian Empire.

I wrote "Weapons of Mass Deception" in February 2003, before John Stuaber and Sheldon Rampton wrote the book by the same name. I predicted only what was already known to those who weigh facts, instead of propaganda. Iraq had no chemical, nuclear, or biological weapons, and could in no way threaten the US.

I also wrote "The Economics of Inclusion." it notes that societies that lapse into exclusionary practices decline, while those that expand inclusion prosper. I have not evaluated economics enough to pretend I have a comprehensive solution for creating economic inclusion. It seems that every system drifts toward oppression. This may be an innate human tendency, instead of merely the product of any particular system. Solutions would entail not only systemic legal changes, but also a significant redistribution of power.

Power concedes nothing without being forced to do so, therefore amicable solutions are chimeric. Sometimes it is a general war, other times social revolution. Victories last so long as a sort of domestic and international balance of terror remains intact. Soon enough, one or more groups tilt the balance of power in their own favor, utterly undermining the correction. That is what happened to the social, political, and economic gains of the Roman Plebeians at the end of the Second Punic War. Perpetual vigilance is not only the price of liberty, but of economic justice.

Comprehensive socialism may theoretically be the solution for reducing ruinous disparities in the distribution of wealth, but it tends to exist only on paper. The free market, however briefly it lasts, does have a salutary effect on the economy. Moreover, socialism does reduce drastically a differential reward system that seems to be necessary to coax the best out of all too many people. It may therefore undermine progress and effort.

The chances of permanently attaining a fair system is probably as good as they are for mankind to take responsibility for the environment before he turns the planet into a living hell.

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Mar 1, 2014 16:50:45   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
Hanoverfarms wrote:
BigBear.......I disagree completely! Health care is a right. The well off , should not be the oly ones who can access quality care. Every other industrialized country, and many others provide universal health care. Your position is morally bankrupt!!


I agree with you, and so does all of the advanced world, and much of the third world. It is an atrocity for the US to languish at around 31st in longevity when in natural resources it is the best endowed country in the world. Health care has become too expensive to prevent people from dying of treatable conditions, because we have allowed it to be not a right, but the usurious cash cow of a vicious pay-or-die industry.

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Mar 1, 2014 16:56:07   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
BigBear wrote:
No time for thought as I suspected.
A great attorney once told me 'never ask a question that you don't already know the answer to.'


Thank you for your mindless insult. Is it possible that I took less time on this than you would have because I might be a bit more intelligent than you? Is it possible that I had long ago done the thinking needed, and therefore did not have to do it again?

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Mar 1, 2014 16:58:46   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
"The banking industry is regulated by the government for what they can't do and by what they must do. Another place it does not belong."

Brilliant thought. The alleged need for deregulation was definitely shown more than once with dramatic results. The deregulation of the savings and loan industry and of major finance institutions both caused the bankruptcy of the entire industry. That is never a problem when the bailouts were the planned end game all along.

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Mar 1, 2014 17:59:18   #
larrypayne Loc: Texas Hill Country
 
ted45 wrote:
The U.S. was practicing a policy of isolationism and tried not to enter WWII. Our unwillingness to enter the war was seen as weakness. However a little disagreement with Hitler's allies in Japan forced us to jump in. We call that disagreement Pearl Harbor. Perhaps you forgot about that little deal.


The "New Pearl Harbor" that happened on 9/11 is the best example of the lies our government expects us to believe. The Japanese were tricked into attacking Pearl Harbor and FDR knew it was going to happen.

The FDR administration had been surreptitiously preparing for war for a number of years. The Grand Coulee dam had been built on the Columbia river in an area that needed very little of the power it generated. When war was declared, the power was conveniently available for the massive weapons plants on the West Coast.

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