HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO

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HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO

We have an administration hell-bent on destroying the constitution, liberties, and sovereignty. And I agree - this is a problem that both parties need to tackle. Selective enforcement is NOT an option. All of the last 5 years have been lost on the media.

Hawknest Loc: South Georgia

where are all the libs and where do they stand on this?

Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA

I know that I'm being a bit unrealistic but I was hoping both sides would be outraged. I was hoping we could all come together but I see this is turning into another liberal vs conservative conversation. I'm guessing the libs will avoid comment because they will see this as a slap against them which by the way it isn't. I can tell you that there are indeed liberals who are appalled at Mr. Holder's position and they've told me so.

amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN

So, what you're saying is that each state has the right to institute its own laws and do whatever they wish to people? If that is the case, then you obviously believe that if the states want to pass laws that bar certain people from enjoying the same liberties as the rest of the population, that is acceptable? And that it would be up to the states' legislatures to change those laws? (I'm not speaking about criminal cases here, but rather civil)


If you believe that, then I submit that had that been the case back in the '60s, we would have the entire Southland a haven for the White Brotherhood and that blacks, hispanics, chinese, etc., would never set foot in any of them for fear of being imprisoned or killed for being what they are. Yes, you say that's is exaggerating, but is it really?

If the this particular issue of gay rights was seen from the opposite viewpoint-if a state law says that gays have ALL the rights and privileges of non gays under the law, would you be in favor of the Attorney General saying the the states' ATs did not have to abide by that law?

The mark of the liberated person is that he refuses to obey unjust laws. And the caring, loving person knows exactly what those laws are-the ones that make certain citizens and non citizens unacceptable to their society for the simple reason that they are different and are PERCEIVED to have little to contribute.

And that is all it is-PERCEPTION

JMO

Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA

I respect your position amyinsparta must must disagree with the majority of your post. First you point to the 60's and that's where you stop, the fact is that the law's in the 60's were lacking and the people saw to it that they were changed. I will agree that some attitudes have yet to catch up but the law has been changed. If the people believe the laws governing gay marriage need changed they will change it through the legislature. You are promoting anarchy and chaos in your refusing to obey unjust law attitude. Do you realize that many of the most violent criminals of our past believed they were loving and caring and working for God? To one a law is unjust like the right to bear arms so because I think the law is wrong I'm going to steal his guns and destroy them. I think it's cruel to use hooks to catch defenseless little fish so I'm going to kick hell out of anyone I catch doing it because the law is not protecting the fish and that's just wrong. We need laws and we need avenues to change the bad ones or the ones that need modified and we have both and we all need to learn how to work within the framework we have in place. Again if you think the framework needs modified there are ways to get it changed and vigilantism is certainly not the way.

Classic7

I'm with BigBear, clean house! The infection of self-serving Federal Government is sickening! The best of the good guys left really isn't much to talk about. Our leadership should be held to the same standard they hold us to and NEVER ignore laws. They should never pass any law in which they themselves are exempted in ANY WAY. They should not be "CAREER Politicians" and be paid for life. I'm sick and tired of this crap but they do it because no one stops them.

Classic7

I'm with BigBear, clean house! The infection of self-serving Federal Government is sickening! The best of the good guys left really isn't much to talk about. Our leadership should be held to the same standard they hold us to and NEVER ignore laws. They should never pass any law in which they themselves are exempted in ANY WAY. They should not be "CAREER Politicians" and be paid for life. I'm sick and tired of this crap but they do it because no one stops them.

Calsnap Loc: Seattle/Montana/San Diego

The first part of your post you got exactly right. This was constructed as a Republic and the Federal government role was intended to be very restricted. The Federal government is only in our face because of semantics in defining those roles.

BigBear Loc: Northern CT

You are correct in that the federal government has a role in this country but has over stepped it's boundaries so far that it will be difficult to put it back to where it belongs. It will take years and many who are dedicated to making it happen. Those are the people we need to put in place and many more to take their place as those positions are not career positions.

BigBear Loc: Northern CT

The fed govt has way overstepped it's boundaries and has taken over personal responsibilities and those of the individual states.

pbearperry Loc: Massachusetts

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BigBear Loc: Northern CT

Lieberman was only an independent because he was not liberal enough to stay in the democratic party and not conservative enough for the republican party.

pbearperry Loc: Massachusetts

Sounds good to me. :thumbup: :thumbup:

BigBear Loc: Northern CT

He didn't do us any big favors ...