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Feb 25, 2014 03:06:22   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
I have a heap of old B&W negs which were of the No 122 size. 5 1/2 inches by 3 1/4 inches [Imperial].
In scanning them with my V500, I had to sacrifice a strip down the length, of about 5/8ths inch. Sky or foreground was expendable with no dramas. To do all this I had to position them manually on the glass.
This now gives an unbalanced ratio, L x W. [approx. 2 x 1]
I plan to have a photo book made up of about 70 of these pic's. Do you envisage any trouble for me?
Does the V600 or 750 scan the full width of 3 1/4 plus?
Maybe i'll have to get them scanned full width to avoid further cropping.
I scanned them at, I think, 800 or 1200 dpi. They are of local historical significance & are very clear photo's, taken by my grandfather around the 1920s.
It is incumbent upon me to make sure the don't fade into oblivion.
Any suggestions/ advice would be welcome.

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Feb 25, 2014 03:33:04   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Is your scanner incapable of 4 X 6 inch scanning?

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Feb 25, 2014 03:58:55   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
Mogul wrote:
Is your scanner incapable of 4 X 6 inch scanning?


Length is not an issue, Its width.
I can only cover 2 5/8ths of an inch in width.
I stress, Its only B&W Negs were talking about.
I can scan up to A4 in Doc's, but that's not the question.
Thought Id explained clearly, with respect.

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Feb 25, 2014 04:09:58   #
Leicaflex Loc: Cymru
 
I can see no problems with your project, if you are just trimming a little sky, you are not losing important detail.
Your grandfather's camera has quite a good for its time.

http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Wollensak

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Feb 25, 2014 04:25:43   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Bunko.T wrote:
Length is not an issue, Its width.
I can only cover 2 5/8ths of an inch in width.
I stress, Its only B&W Negs were talking about.
I can scan up to A4 in Doc's, but that's not the question.
Thought Id explained clearly, with respect.

If you are using professional mode on your scanner, you should be able to adjust the settings to scan a 4 X 6 negative.

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Feb 25, 2014 04:39:43   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
Leicaflex wrote:
I can see no problems with your project, if you are just trimming a little sky, you are not losing important detail.
Your grandfather's camera has quite a good for its time.

http://camerapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Wollensak


Thank you for that. I never thought to research the lens name. Quite interesting.
As for the project, I guess the folks who do the books will know what is good & what's not. Maybe I worry too much.

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Feb 25, 2014 09:35:06   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
Bunko.T wrote:
I have a heap of old B&W negs which were of the No 122 size. 5 1/2 inches by 3 1/4 inches [Imperial].
In scanning them with my V500, I had to sacrifice a strip down the length, of about 5/8ths inch. Sky or foreground was expendable with no dramas. To do all this I had to position them manually on the glass.
This now gives an unbalanced ratio, L x W. [approx. 2 x 1]
I plan to have a photo book made up of about 70 of these pic's. Do you envisage any trouble for me?
Does the V600 or 750 scan the full width of 3 1/4 plus?
Maybe i'll have to get them scanned full width to avoid further cropping.
I scanned them at, I think, 800 or 1200 dpi. They are of local historical significance & are very clear photo's, taken by my grandfather around the 1920s.
It is incumbent upon me to make sure the don't fade into oblivion.
Any suggestions/ advice would be welcome.
I have a heap of old B&W negs which were of th... (show quote)


There are ways around it, make sure you have the "thumbnail" box unchecked first and do a full scan. If that is still not enough width you can scan it in two parts and stitch them together with Photoshop or panoramic software.

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Feb 25, 2014 09:36:05   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
Mogul wrote:
Is your scanner incapable of 4 X 6 inch scanning?


The V500 does not have a backlight wide enough to scan 4", it is only 3 1/16" wide.

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Feb 25, 2014 09:44:22   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
MT Shooter wrote:
The V500 does not have a backlight wide enough to scan 4", it is only 3 1/16" wide.



I scanned a No 116 neg today & it only covered 2 5/8 wide. Measured the neg coverage.
How about the V600 & 750? For width? I honk I saw a local photo shop. Had a V600.
Damn predictive IPad type. I think I saw.

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Feb 25, 2014 10:15:03   #
Morning Star Loc: West coast, North of the 49th N.
 
I have the V750 and yes, it will do larger negatives.
The big difference is the light in the lid, I believe.
In many scanners, there is a light for negatives, that runs the length of the lid and is stationary.
On mine the light in the lid is positioned side-to-side and moves the length of the lid, like the light in the bottom does for reflective material.

Because so many of the old negatives are curved, I have "invested" in two pieces of excellent quality framing glass (from a frame shop) and put these negatives between the pieces of glass before scanning. The glass is meticulously cleaned first, usually a gentle wipe with an anti-static cloth is enough, and while I have that in my hand anyway, I also wipe of the plate and inside of the lid.
When fingerprints on the glass become a problem, I actually wash these two pieces in Dawn in the sink ;-)

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Feb 26, 2014 01:05:11   #
Bunko.T Loc: Western Australia.
 
Morning Star wrote:
I have the V750 and yes, it will do larger negatives.
The big difference is the light in the lid, I believe.
In many scanners, there is a light for negatives, that runs the length of the lid and is stationary.
On mine the light in the lid is positioned side-to-side and moves the length of the lid, like the light in the bottom does for reflective material.

Because so many of the old negatives are curved, I have "invested" in two pieces of excellent quality framing glass (from a frame shop) and put these negatives between the pieces of glass before scanning. The glass is meticulously cleaned first, usually a gentle wipe with an anti-static cloth is enough, and while I have that in my hand anyway, I also wipe of the plate and inside of the lid.
When fingerprints on the glass become a problem, I actually wash these two pieces in Dawn in the sink ;-)
I have the V750 and yes, it will do larger negativ... (show quote)


Thank you. That's what I wanted to hear. I also thought about the glass.
I had a book of photos done today by Office Works. Not sure if they're international but big here. Printed 70 & spiral bound on A4 size for $30 aud while I waited. Fantastic!
The pics had a strip of white top & bottom of page but presented well.
It seems my strip of sacrifice hasn't detracted too much from them.
At that price I'm happy, but I learnt there is so much technology out there to present them many ways.
To scan the full size would cost $8 each. That's prohibitive since they present very well as is.

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Feb 26, 2014 11:49:58   #
problem child Loc: Kingman AZ
 
You might try http://www.betterscanning.com/

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Feb 26, 2014 17:23:56   #
Ralloh Loc: Ohio
 
Bunko.T wrote:
I have a heap of old B&W negs which were of the No 122 size. 5 1/2 inches by 3 1/4 inches [Imperial].
In scanning them with my V500, I had to sacrifice a strip down the length, of about 5/8ths inch. Sky or foreground was expendable with no dramas. To do all this I had to position them manually on the glass.
This now gives an unbalanced ratio, L x W. [approx. 2 x 1]
I plan to have a photo book made up of about 70 of these pic's. Do you envisage any trouble for me?
Does the V600 or 750 scan the full width of 3 1/4 plus?
Maybe i'll have to get them scanned full width to avoid further cropping.
I scanned them at, I think, 800 or 1200 dpi. They are of local historical significance & are very clear photo's, taken by my grandfather around the 1920s.
It is incumbent upon me to make sure the don't fade into oblivion.
Any suggestions/ advice would be welcome.
I have a heap of old B&W negs which were of th... (show quote)


I don't have an answer for you but just wanted to say what a treasure trove you have there. I applaud you for what you want to do with them. I love to see the past preserved in this way.

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Feb 27, 2014 01:55:31   #
Kuzano
 
Don't have time to look at all the posts.

The V750 scans up to 8X10 inches. Holders are available at 4X5 inches and full screen.

I am not sure, but I don't think the V600 has a large format backlight like the V700 and V750. I think it has the same limitations for light path as the V500.

The holders that come with the Epson scanners are CRAP. All sizes, all models... CRAP.

There is a fellow who produces great film holders for scanners, and particularly for the Epson scanners because of the poor design from Epson.

His holders are adjustable and are called Better Scanning holders. A web search will find him and the holders.

A lot of people use liquid scanning for large scans, pouring a liquid on the screen and placing the negs on the screen or on glass plates the thickness of the focus distance.

Messy, but the closest thing you can do short of drum scans.

You might also want to consider drum scans done professionally.

Scanning is one the the biggest PITA's in the whold photography to print process.

If you can get your hands on a refurb 4990, it is also 8X10... NOT the 4490... It's same as the V500. I had a friend who used the V4990 and got scans almost as good as the V700.

Remember this about flat bed scanners. They are not as good as dedicated film scanners. Also in spite of the high DPI claims, I have never seen one actually produce scans over half of the claimed resolution.

In addition, after a certain point of resolution you are just packing pixels into HUGE files with no resultant increase in the scan resolution.

All of the V model Epsons, and all other mfrs top out on resolution about half of the amount claimed, if that!!

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Feb 27, 2014 04:39:58   #
Pablo8 Loc: Nottingham UK.
 
I have a Canon A4 flat bed scanner, with neg scan masks up to 5" x 4". Works OK for me.

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