Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Check out People Photography section of our forum.
Main Photography Discussion
Nikon D610 vs. D800
Page <<first <prev 3 of 4 next>
Feb 17, 2014 11:40:34   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
houdel wrote:
I am in the market for a new body as well and started out considering the 5D3 and D800E, then as I learned a little more I threw the 6D and D610 into the mix. Being a retired engineer of 38+ years I tend to be a bit anal about opinion vs objective data and go with quantifiable analysis as opposed to "Uncle Billy Bob takes the sharpest photos you could ever imagine with his Kodak Instamatic and he told me ....".

I read all the reviews I could find on all four bodies. There were a few sites that provided side by side ratings and much to my surprise the D610 was preferred over the other three bodies in all of them. To be certain, the ratings were a mix of objective data and subjective opinion, but in those cases it was qualified opinion by professional experts who make a living doing those evaluations.

Then I did some comparisons using the DXOMark lens test tool using each maker's 24-70 mm f/2.8 lenses along with a few others, and found the D610 performed as well as the 5D3 and D800 in overall score and sharpness. It wasn't until I compared exotic lenses like the Zeiss Distagon T* Otus where the 36 Mpx of the D800 showed a significant advantage. Even with the Nikkor 85 mm f/1.4G the D800 and D610 performed essentially equal. I can only guess from those evaluations is that the current lens technology, even for the body maker's premium lenses, is not adequate to take full advantage of a 36 Mpx FF sensor.

Now I have heard the D800 is a "harder" camera to shoot. I do not understand that one at all, perhaps someone would care to explain. And file size can be an issue; the D800 RAW file are 40 Mb and TIFF files 100 Mb. I do have a 1 Tb drive on my computer, but 100 Mb files can add up pretty fast, so you may want to think about that.

So now the real question is performance vs panache. True the D800 has a full magnesium body vs the D610 polycarbonate front cover, and the D800 can save in TIFF format and 4x5 perspective while the D610 cannot. And the D800 has an allure and probably a few shooting options that the D610 is missing. But the D610 is going to perform basically as well as the D800 and save you enough money to buy another good lens.

If price is no object, you absolutely have to have the D800 name, will be doing some exotic shooting where 36 Mpx vs 24 Mpx may provide you some advantage, or are shooting BIF or wildlife at long range (though a 24 Mpx DX would probably be better there), buy a D800. If none of these are a consideration, a D610 will probably suit you just fine.
I am in the market for a new body as well and star... (show quote)


When the D610E (or D620) come out with the removal of the anti-aliasing filter, I will be getting one as a companion to my D800E, until then, I returned my D610 in favor of keeping my D800 back-up body as the resolution in large prints is incomparable, as is the ability to crop the image and still print quite large.

Reply
Feb 17, 2014 12:00:40   #
houdel Loc: Chase, Michigan USA
 
MT Shooter wrote:
When the D610E (or D620) come out with the removal of the anti-aliasing filter, I will be getting one

I'd love to see that as well!

MT Shooter wrote:
the ability to crop the (D800) image and still print quite large.

A very valid point, you could crop out 1/3 of the D800's image and still have the same pixel count as a D610. However, referring back to DXOMark's essentially equivalent PERCEIVED Mpx data, will the D800's cropped pixels be as sharp as the D610's uncropped pixels? Or to look at it another way, by cropping out 1/3 of the D800's pixels you are also throwing away 1/3 of the light data originally collected, and the D800's photoreceptors are 2/3rds the size of a D610 photoreceptor. Will both printed images still be equally sharp and accurate?

Reply
Feb 17, 2014 12:15:50   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
houdel wrote:
A very valid point, you could crop out 1/3 of the D800's image and still have the same pixel count as a D610. However, referring back to DXOMark's essentially equivalent PERCEIVED Mpx data, will the D800's cropped pixels be as sharp as the D610's uncropped pixels? Or to look at it another way, by cropping out 1/3 of the D800's pixels you are also throwing away 1/3 of the light data originally collected, and the D800's photoreceptors are 2/3rds the size of a D610 photoreceptor. Will both printed images still be equally sharp and accurate?
A very valid point, you could crop out 1/3 of the ... (show quote)


That has been my experience. I have printed at 24x36 with D800 cropped images and they are worthy of a magnifying glass.

Reply
Check out Advice from the Pros section of our forum.
Feb 17, 2014 12:43:51   #
steffro1 Loc: Murrells Inlet, SC
 
Another point to keep in mind is the D800s ability to shoot in very poor light at long shutter speeds and still get great results. I have never shot a D610, but I took pictures in a cathedral in Germany that didn't allow flash and got wonderful results with the D800 and the 24-120 FX VR lens . The picture attached was taken at 1/6 second at F/5.6 no flash leaning up against a post. Taken in raw format. I was blowing up small sections of stained glass windows with great results.

Cologne Cathedral
Cologne Cathedral...
(Download)

Reply
Feb 17, 2014 16:39:34   #
promfh Loc: Redwood City, CA, USA
 
Houdel;
I had a similar feeling when I looked over the specs. While we shoot a lot of wildlife (and crop considerably) we've been getting very good images from our 10 & 16 MP cameras. They have been at least good enough to bring home a bunch of ribbons from local (print) nature photo competitions. A step up to 24MPx may prove to be a major boost in IQ.

Most of our work winds up in a 1024X768 or 640X480 format on a website we are involved with.
http://www.refugefriends.org/photos/

We frequently make 8X10 prints and occasionally a few 16X20's.

I've only once had another photographer sneer at my "antique" D-80's. The next photo club field trip I brought along my old D-50 and shot the socks off that guy in the final critique session. :-D

Reply
Feb 17, 2014 16:42:11   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
promfh wrote:
Houdel;
I had a similar feeling when I looked over the specs. While we shoot a lot of wildlife (and crop considerably) we've been getting very good images from our 10 & 16 MP cameras. They have been at least good enough to bring home a bunch of ribbons from local (print) nature photo competitions. A step up to 24MPx may prove to be a major boost in IQ.

Most of our work winds up in a 1024X768 or 640X480 image on a website. We frequently make 8X10 prints and occasionally a few 16X20's.
Houdel; br I had a similar feeling when I looked o... (show quote)

For the "you must have more megapixels!!!" crowd, the simple response is "Nikon D4, 16mp". All of these have the same size sensor, which matters more than the number of pixels it is split into, especially with the mode your pictures are used in.

Reply
Feb 17, 2014 16:44:26   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
promfh wrote:
I've only once had another photographer sneer at my "antique" D-80's. The next photo club field trip I brought along my old D-50 and shot the socks off that guy in the final critique session. :-D

While I would never sneer at someone's camera, if they are getting very good shots from the D80, I might suggest that their results might be even better with a D7100 or D610, because the technology has improved significantly. It sounds like a case of the photographer outgrowing the equipment.

Reply
Check out Film Photography section of our forum.
Feb 17, 2014 16:46:43   #
promfh Loc: Redwood City, CA, USA
 
amehta wrote:
For the "you must have more megapixels!!!" crowd, the simple response is "Nikon D4, 16mp". All of these have the same size sensor, which matters more than the number of pixels it is split into, especially with the mode your pictures are used in.


I've played the, "My xxx is bigger than your xxx game before". But I was a teenager at the time. :lol:

Reply
Feb 17, 2014 16:52:59   #
promfh Loc: Redwood City, CA, USA
 
amehta wrote:
While I would never sneer at someone's camera, if they are getting very good shots from the D80, I might suggest that their results might be even better with a D7100 or D610, because the technology has improved significantly. It sounds like a case of the photographer outgrowing the equipment.


That is exactly why we're considering the upgrade to full-frame. I'm about at the outside edge of what the cameras can produce.

Our other recent upgrade was to replace our (8-year-old) 3MPx Olympus and Underwater Housing with a new Nikon 1 AW1. The difference in size, weight, and image quality was exceptional.

Reply
Feb 17, 2014 16:56:27   #
amehta Loc: Boston
 
promfh wrote:
That is exactly why we're considering the upgrade to full-frame. I'm about at the outside edge of what the cameras can produce.

Our other recent upgrade was to replace our (8-year-old) 3MPx Olympus and Underwater Housing with a new Nikon 1 AW1. The difference in size, weight, and image quality was exceptional.

It's all about doing something for the right reason for you. It does seem like it makes sense for you.

The Nikon 1 AW1 came out about 2 months too late for me, so I got the Sony RX-100 with an underwater housing. A little cumbersome, but amazing results. Though having the focus speed and macro of the D800 would have been even better. ;-)

Reply
Feb 17, 2014 18:07:01   #
coco1964 Loc: Winsted Mn
 
MtnMan wrote:
Ah. Is the button layout like the D7000?

I hated the button layout on my D7000. I like it on the D800. It may be an individual thing or getting used to it, and a trick I learned on the D800 that I hadn't yet learned on the D7000.

My problem with the D7000 layout was that you had to everything with the buttons and the little green screen. I frequently couldn't see the little green screen without putting on my reading glasses. So I found it frustrating.

The D800 has better button choices for me (although I don't know why they make a white balance button) and only one thing on the green screen so that I can see it better without reading glasses. Plus I learned to program the on/off switch to turn on the LCD when I push it to the light...so I can see the settings on the LCD directly if needed. Maybe I could have done that with the D7000?
Ah. Is the button layout like the D7000? br br I ... (show quote)
Yes you could have...........

Reply
 
 
Feb 17, 2014 23:15:08   #
Trabor
 
Re previous post- Size of the camera pixel has no effect on print quality except possibly as it affects noise, but from reports D800 noise is at least as good as D600 The extra camera pixels are important for bird/wildlife pics as it allows more aggressive cropping

Reply
Feb 18, 2014 00:21:28   #
WAL
 
MT Shooter wrote:
The D600/610 is basically the same body as the D7000/7100, and QUITE different from the D800 body. The difference between 24MP and 36MP really is amazing if you print large. If you print small or never print you will never see the differences between them.


What is large?

Reply
Feb 18, 2014 01:02:48   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
You will also find that the 36mp comes in handy for cropping purposes. You may find that your wildlife is in the center of your frame and you need to crop out a portion of the shot to get the best photo. That's also where the 36mp come in handy. Put a good prime telephoto on that D800 and you'll have the best of both worlds. I'd actually recommend a 300mm f4 AF-S with a 1.4 teleconverter.

Reply
Feb 18, 2014 05:19:01   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Here is a few samples I give to customers looking to print from different cameras.

I have often printed at 20x30 from images taken with a 10MP sensor with wonderful results via upsizing the image in Photoshop.


:thumbup: :thumbup:

Reply
Page <<first <prev 3 of 4 next>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Check out Film Photography section of our forum.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.