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Feb 12, 2014 08:35:38   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
mikeg492 wrote:
Part of the problem is that many "Professionals" on here think the only way to become a "Professional" is to do it the way they did by shooting what they do and many act like they would rather hold someone back than to push them forward.
Now having said that I didn't spend 900 I spent 1500 one camera and a kit lens, took some pictures of a baseball tournament, showed them to the owner of a baseball facility and was asked to start taking pictures of their players for parents to purchase. Another 100.00 for a shutterfly account for parents to buy from. Free software that came with the laptop I already had.
First week end 10.00 to get into the tournament for two days and 20.00 gas want to include the two hot dogs I ate for lunch 4.00. Made enough to pay for my camera! Second weekend 1100.00 I'm ahead. I am already scheduled for five tournaments this year plus several school events.
I did not intend to change careers I've been a building contractor for 25+ years. This year may change that, I don't think of myself as a professional simply because this work is so easy compared to what I've always done. I am going to invest 10.00 in 250 business cards so I can direct parents of the other teams to shutterfly account. So yes it takes more than 900.00 but that was because I chose a better camera but I bet I could do it. A professional is just someone who gets paid for a service or acts like a professional which a lot here do not.
Part of the problem is that many "Professiona... (show quote)

This sounds like everyone's dream. Wedding photography is another whole ball game, though. :D

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Feb 12, 2014 08:35:38   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
mikeg492 wrote:
Part of the problem is that many "Professionals" on here think the only way to become a "Professional" is to do it the way they did by shooting what they do and many act like they would rather hold someone back than to push them forward.
Now having said that I didn't spend 900 I spent 1500 one camera and a kit lens, took some pictures of a baseball tournament, showed them to the owner of a baseball facility and was asked to start taking pictures of their players for parents to purchase. Another 100.00 for a shutterfly account for parents to buy from. Free software that came with the laptop I already had.
First week end 10.00 to get into the tournament for two days and 20.00 gas want to include the two hot dogs I ate for lunch 4.00. Made enough to pay for my camera! Second weekend 1100.00 I'm ahead. I am already scheduled for five tournaments this year plus several school events.
I did not intend to change careers I've been a building contractor for 25+ years. This year may change that, I don't think of myself as a professional simply because this work is so easy compared to what I've always done. I am going to invest 10.00 in 250 business cards so I can direct parents of the other teams to shutterfly account. So yes it takes more than 900.00 but that was because I chose a better camera but I bet I could do it. A professional is just someone who gets paid for a service or acts like a professional which a lot here do not.
Part of the problem is that many "Professiona... (show quote)

This sounds like everyone's dream. Wedding photography is another whole ball game, though. :D

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Feb 12, 2014 08:36:32   #
Atomicmechanic Loc: Corinth New York
 
I just recently purchased a Nikon D2XS with less than 25,000 shutter counts for under $430.00. Combine that with a 35mm f1.8 Lens, and a SB-910 Flash, and a person with talent, and being in the right place could feasibly start making some real money. I've had upwards of $40,000.00 invested in equipment, and found myself not using most of it. It's all about a persons ability and drive, and even word of mouth, and they can make a go of it. I do realize that they will need to start marketing, have backup equipment, and expand their lenses, and so on, but I try not to discourage anyone from living their dream. While on active duty I used to photograph at least one wedding every weekend, by some standards that wouldn't make me a pro. But, I've also had a studio where I worked full time, had a store front open 5 days a week, and still did weddings on weekend. It's all about drive, passion, and a whole lot of hard work. Go out and live your dreams.

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Feb 12, 2014 08:48:55   #
wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
I can’t call myself a professional hairdressers simply because I went to the beauty supply store and purchased a pair of $100 scissors, sample example applies to photography.[/quote]

Shears - Annie Girl - not scissors.

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Feb 12, 2014 08:49:23   #
Doug B Loc: Edmonton Alberta
 
There are many out there that are average photographers, that do quite well simply because they know how to market their product well. Many times the customer thinks the best photo is the one you as a photographer would probably consider throwing on the scrap heap. The talent to make the most from what you have in equipment helps , but in the end it seems to come down to the ability to market.

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Feb 12, 2014 08:58:24   #
katbandit Loc: new york city
 
why does anyone on this forum reduce themselves to calling anyone names..? the purpose of this forum is to be able to learn off each other..lately it seems that some of the folks in this forum are becoming so full of themselves that it make others feel intimidated to be able to ask a question..i like that someone is brave enough to put themselves in the line of fire..
the person that said that they wanted to start a photography business on a mere 900 bucks is very innocently asking something..slamming him or her isn't going to help educate them..giving them some realistic expectations would be a kinder way to go..
one of the reasons i won't join a regular camera club is because i find that many are very cliquish and some are a bit full of themselves..photography is very competitive yes..but to knock anyone else that tries to get ahead is just plain mean spirited..

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Feb 12, 2014 09:01:46   #
Doug B Loc: Edmonton Alberta
 
katbandit wrote:
why does anyone on this forum reduce themselves to calling anyone names..? the purpose of this forum is to be able to learn off each other..lately it seems that some of the folks in this forum are becoming so full of themselves that it make others feel intimidated to be able to ask a question..i like that someone is brave enough to put themselves in the line of fire..
the person that said that they wanted to start a photography business on a mere 900 bucks is very innocently asking something..slamming him or her isn't going to help educate them..giving them some realistic expectations would be a kinder way to go..
one of the reasons i won't join a regular camera club is because i find that many are very cliquish and some are a bit full of themselves..photography is very competitive yes..but to knock anyone else that tries to get ahead is just plain mean spirited..
why does anyone on this forum reduce themselves to... (show quote)


Well said.

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Feb 12, 2014 09:02:42   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
katbandit wrote:
one of the reasons i won't join a regular camera club is because i find that many are very cliquish and some are a bit full of themselves...

I've heard this many times, and I'm not seeking out camera clubs.

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Feb 12, 2014 09:03:36   #
RKL349 Loc: Connecticut
 
The question, as I recall it was about what the $900. budget for equipment could get this person. Emphasis on equipment. Not all of the other associated costs. We don't know what is available to that person, but if he or she wants to pursue the profession, encouragement is necessary from others who have been there and succeeded. When Jack Nicklaus started out on tour, Arnold Palmer encouraged him, and look how that turned out. It seems that some people are so insecure in their own skin that putting down or discouraging others gives them some sense of superiority. This is not to say that starting a new business requires much thought about many start-up considerations, but again, this question was equipment related.

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Feb 12, 2014 09:07:23   #
Tango44 Loc: Kentucky
 
I am new to this forum and would like to thank you for your comments! I have been reading many comments from members that make me question my participation. I am new to photography and have a simple camera and love to take pictures. I want to learn. However, some of the comments I have read sound as though there is a snobbery among some members. We all start at a level we can afford. I will never be a professional photographer (nor do I want to be). I really enjoy seeing the photos of other members and the fantastic work they are able to do. It is inspiring and helpful!

I will, also mention, that there are a lot of kind, generous folks on this site. I am learning to recognize names and, as with anything, you pick what you want to read. Thanks!

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Feb 12, 2014 09:07:40   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
RKL349 wrote:
It seems that some people are so insecure in their own skin that putting down or discouraging others gives them some sense of superiority. This is not to say that starting a new business requires much thought about many start-up considerations, but again, this question was equipment related.


So are YOU insecure since you put down those who had a different viewpoint than you and you didn't encourage them?

Does that mean you are insecure?

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Feb 12, 2014 09:23:32   #
Dplant Loc: St. Albans, Maine
 
Well put. Nothing ventured nothing gained. It is better to try then not try at all!

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Feb 12, 2014 09:31:01   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
Ares23 wrote:
Throughout this whole thread all I've seen is a pissing contest and not one single answer to the original post; if any were made. Did anyone give advice to this person or did it just turn into what a said previously "a Pissing Contest" between people who claim they are "PROS" and others simply defending the fact that owning a EOS 1D X does not a Pro make!


As this thread is just an off-shoot to another, replying to the OP would likely serve no purpose.

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Feb 12, 2014 09:44:50   #
Festus Loc: North Dakota
 
Kuzano wrote:
Just read a post where a member on the forum commented that he/she wanted to buy a camera to work toward becoming professional. Camera budget ... $900.

That person literally got hammered by 2 to 1 posts about "better rethink the budget"... some proffering $9000 as a starting point.

REALLY??????

How does this type of reaction to a simple post encourage photography at any level.

I know there are some on this board who want to stifle professional dreams as a function of protecting a domain they think they alone own. I discount those people off the bat.

Does everybody really think that a person with skills and the courage to market their work (KEY word) cannot begin to sell their work and go on to created a thriving photography business.

To people like the poster in this case, I say good luck and Go For It, even if there is only $900 bucks in the bank at the moment.

The poster did not say they weren't able to spend more when it becomes necessary.

There certainly are many cameras/lens kits out there that can create work that WILL sell, and priced at $1000 or less. This is true particularly if you include used and refurbished camera's.

I'm not the friendliest guy on this forum, and not particularly well liked by some whose shit I have gotten into it with.

Like the scorpion said to the pig in the middle of the river, "It's my nature".

But come on folks. Where's the camaraderie, the good intent, and the willingness to give a fellow hogger a hand up.

Yes, you can start a photography business with any number of camera's I can think of.

The camera is NOT the deterrent. The lack of willingness to do the work is the problem. Many of the responses on this forum would deter others and kill such willingness to make the attempt. Sad!! Sad!! Sad!! :cry:

I would go ahead and make up a list of $900 camera's that will produce images that can be sold, but frankly the list is way to long.

The spirit and creativity of the individual who does the appropriate things to become a professional is the heart of success.

Most of those who poo poo'd the $900 camera budget clearly have no aspirations of becoming professional, particularly if they think the camera and the money spent on it is the key to opening that door.

Big surprise for those people....A professional uses the camera that is available when the subject or scene presents itself. I am confident that many who are professional today started out with an UNDER $1000 camera equipped with one lens. :shock:

To me, being a Professional Photographer, means creating part or all of your income with a camera and photography, no matter how much equipment you own or what you spent for it!
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I feel the problem lies around the issue as to what is a photographer. It seems that today anyone with a cell phone that takes photos, regards themselves as a photographer. And this may very well be.

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Feb 12, 2014 09:54:42   #
Novots Loc: Grand Forks, ND
 
To the original OP, go on Ebay, find a 6mp Canon 10D for $100 and a 50mm 1.8 lens for $150 (total $250) and get out there and shoot. In fact that sounds like a fun contest for those of us here on the hog - take your oldest digital camera, a decent lens, but not top of the line, and lets see what kind of shots we get. I bet there will be some that are spectacular and the observer wouldn't know or care what the gear was! Just sayin...

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