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Feb 12, 2014 06:28:26   #
Moles Loc: South Carolina
 
I am sooooooo with you! this board has a plethora of mean spirited members who have nothing better to do than show how much they know and how much you don't! It seriously needs moderation!

A good photographer with a D7000 can outshine a mediocre photographer with a D4 anyday!

Kuzano wrote:
Just read a post where a member on the forum commented that he/she wanted to buy a camera to work toward becoming professional. Camera budget ... $900.

That person literally got hammered by 2 to 1 posts about "better rethink the budget"... some proffering $9000 as a starting point.

REALLY??????

How does this type of reaction to a simple post encourage photography at any level.

I know there are some on this board who want to stifle professional dreams as a function of protecting a domain they think they alone own. I discount those people off the bat.

Does everybody really think that a person with skills and the courage to market their work (KEY word) cannot begin to sell their work and go on to created a thriving photography business.

To people like the poster in this case, I say good luck and Go For It, even if there is only $900 bucks in the bank at the moment.

The poster did not say they weren't able to spend more when it becomes necessary.

There certainly are many cameras/lens kits out there that can create work that WILL sell, and priced at $1000 or less. This is true particularly if you include used and refurbished camera's.

I'm not the friendliest guy on this forum, and not particularly well liked by some whose shit I have gotten into it with.

Like the scorpion said to the pig in the middle of the river, "It's my nature".

But come on folks. Where's the camaraderie, the good intent, and the willingness to give a fellow hogger a hand up.

Yes, you can start a photography business with any number of camera's I can think of.

The camera is NOT the deterrent. The lack of willingness to do the work is the problem. Many of the responses on this forum would deter others and kill such willingness to make the attempt. Sad!! Sad!! Sad!! :cry:

I would go ahead and make up a list of $900 camera's that will produce images that can be sold, but frankly the list is way to long.

The spirit and creativity of the individual who does the appropriate things to become a professional is the heart of success.

Most of those who poo poo'd the $900 camera budget clearly have no aspirations of becoming professional, particularly if they think the camera and the money spent on it is the key to opening that door.

Big surprise for those people....A professional uses the camera that is available when the subject or scene presents itself. I am confident that many who are professional today started out with an UNDER $1000 camera equipped with one lens. :shock:

To me, being a Professional Photographer, means creating part or all of your income with a camera and photography, no matter how much equipment you own or what you spent for it!
Just read a post where a member on the forum comm... (show quote)

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Feb 12, 2014 06:28:41   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
Bobbee wrote:
Interesting.
I have seen many posts where people on this forum and others, say it is not the camera but the photographer. This in the post you are commenting on they reverse their standing and say the opposite. I would think you could start out at that budget and do good work. There will be a need to grow as time goes on as one will def feel they are outgrowing the features of their camera and have to move up.
A typical business model does not have you dumping millions, billions into an initial venture. Many times they test the waters with a pilot. If the person has talent and desire then go forth and be fruitful and multiply even if it is small potatoes to start with.
Interesting. br I have seen many posts where peopl... (show quote)


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Feb 12, 2014 06:38:34   #
Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK
 
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
It's been said innumerable times here- in different ways- that the talent lies behind the camera, not within it.

I don't think the poster asked for encouragement, but advice. When you ask for advice, you get some positive and some negative.

Could a photographer put out pro grade work with $900 worth of equipment? No question.

Can someone spend $20k on equipment and still put out crap? Ditto.

If I understand the original question, the poster is looking for advice for getting started and working towards becoming a pro, and (wisely) creating a budget to get started. Seems reasonable. Now if he/she is expecting this $900 investment is all they will need, that's something altogether different.
It's been said innumerable times here- in differen... (show quote)


:thumbup: Well said.
There appears to be too many UHH people who have mega amounts of money to spend and throw it at their hobby. Unfortunately they do not think that not everyone is as fortunate as they are - or want to spend so much money on a camera.

At the end of the day it is the enjoyment you get out of photography and the finished results.
I have seen some excellent photographs on UHH taken with an entry level camera - there also appears to be many with a small fortune in equipment who never post any of their pictures.

There are some interesting videos on YouTube where professional photographers are challenged to take good pictures with cheap cameras - and succeed!

So truly - 'It is not what you have got - but what you do with it!'

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Feb 12, 2014 06:44:33   #
indycaver Loc: Indianapolis
 
To me, being a Professional Photographer, means creating part or all of your income with a camera and photography, no matter how much equipment you own or what you spent for it![/quote]

Absolutely right!! It's work, creativity, learning the trade, work, having the vision, work, and more work. I'm speaking from experience here. I started with a Canon Rebel, 2 lenses and a dream. It takes total commitment to make it happen, not the fanciest camera or the best software, etc. I learned everything I possibly could, from every source I could find and making it happen. Sure, I added more equipment, better cameras, software, etc. as I could afford it and I don't regret a minute or a dime of it. So, I guess what I'm trying to say is don't let anyone piss all over your dream, it can be done if you're willing to pay the price.

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Feb 12, 2014 07:03:47   #
mikeg492 Loc: WIlmington, NC
 
Part of the problem is that many "Professionals" on here think the only way to become a "Professional" is to do it the way they did by shooting what they do and many act like they would rather hold someone back than to push them forward.
Now having said that I didn't spend 900 I spent 1500 one camera and a kit lens, took some pictures of a baseball tournament, showed them to the owner of a baseball facility and was asked to start taking pictures of their players for parents to purchase. Another 100.00 for a shutterfly account for parents to buy from. Free software that came with the laptop I already had.
First week end 10.00 to get into the tournament for two days and 20.00 gas want to include the two hot dogs I ate for lunch 4.00. Made enough to pay for my camera! Second weekend 1100.00 I'm ahead. I am already scheduled for five tournaments this year plus several school events.
I did not intend to change careers I've been a building contractor for 25+ years. This year may change that, I don't think of myself as a professional simply because this work is so easy compared to what I've always done. I am going to invest 10.00 in 250 business cards so I can direct parents of the other teams to shutterfly account. So yes it takes more than 900.00 but that was because I chose a better camera but I bet I could do it. A professional is just someone who gets paid for a service or acts like a professional which a lot here do not.

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Feb 12, 2014 07:08:42   #
Ares23 Loc: Ohio
 
Throughout this whole thread all I've seen is a pissing contest and not one single answer to the original post; if any were made. Did anyone give advice to this person or did it just turn into what a said previously "a Pissing Contest" between people who claim they are "PROS" and others simply defending the fact that owning a EOS 1D X does not a Pro make!

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Feb 12, 2014 07:13:47   #
Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK
 
Ares23 wrote:
Throughout this whole thread all I've seen is a pissing contest and not one single answer to the original post; if any were made. Did anyone give advice to this person or did it just turn into what a said previously "a Pissing Contest" between people who claim they are "PROS" and others simply defending the fact that owning a EOS 1D X does not a Pro make!


Just look at the posts above yours - all positive!
As for recommending equipment - with a limited budget you purchase what you can find within your budget. As long as it is working perfectly - you may be lucky and find someone selling some equipment at a particularly low price. It is most likely that the best value for money will come from second user equipment and there may be a lot of extras with it such as filters, case etc.

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Feb 12, 2014 07:26:46   #
Ares23 Loc: Ohio
 
All positive? One has the audaciousness to correct the posters use of the English language, "I think they meant optical" optimal is a word, it means: most desirable or satisfactory. They knew what they were asking.

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Feb 12, 2014 07:37:08   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Kuzano wrote:
Just read a post where a member on the forum commented that he/she wanted to buy a camera to work toward becoming professional. Camera budget ... $900.

That person literally got hammered by 2 to 1 posts about "better rethink the budget"... some proffering $9000 as a starting point.

REALLY??????

How does this type of reaction to a simple post encourage photography at any level.


That sounds great but there is a reality...that it takes money to start a real business.

They weren't being cruel, they were being truthful and practical. You may not agree..that's fine, but possibly they had some insight to the real world?

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I know there are some on this board who want to stifle professional dreams as a function of protecting a domain they think they alone own. I discount those people off the bat.


Interesting...you are psychic?

How in the world can you tell a person's motives through a forum post?

Could it possibly be that they've already have been through the grinder and know what it takes to be a pro?

Could it possibly be that they are giving the benefit of their experience just as others are?



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Does everybody really think that a person with skills and the courage to market their work (KEY word) cannot begin to sell their work and go on to created a thriving photography business.


It depends...are they going to be a real pro with insurance and enough gear so disasters don't happen (like the camera stops working 5 minutes before the wedding and the "pro" doesn't have a contingency plan) or are they just going to call themselves a pro because they can hit the shutter button and they could afford a camera?

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To people like the poster in this case, I say good luck and Go For It, even if there is only $900 bucks in the bank at the moment.


That's cool....it's not your money they are risking...if you think they should go for it...that's fine...but why do you feel the need to squelch opinions that don't agree with yours?


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The poster did not say they weren't able to spend more when it becomes necessary.


No comment...didn't read the post

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There certainly are many cameras/lens kits out there that can create work that WILL sell, and priced at $1000 or less. This is true particularly if you include used and refurbished camera's.


Sure...that's great but that wouldn't be the point would it?

Just because a camera can take a quality picture doesn't mean that that's the sum total of what it means to be a pro...right?


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I'm not the friendliest guy on this forum, and not particularly well liked by some whose shit I have gotten into it with.


I can certainly see why...


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But come on folks. Where's the camaraderie, the good intent, and the willingness to give a fellow hogger a hand up.

Yes, you can start a photography business with any number of camera's I can think of.


Sure...and if that's all that was to be considered..then nobody would disagree...but buying a camera isn't the end of the story for a pro is it?

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The camera is NOT the deterrent. The lack of willingness to do the work is the problem. Many of the responses on this forum would deter others and kill such willingness to make the attempt. Sad!! Sad!! Sad!! :cry:


Well...that and the lack of willingness to be legal...pay taxes on your profit, get insurance, get backup gear so that you don't fail at the worst time...and on and on...

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I would go ahead and make up a list of $900 camera's that will produce images that can be sold, but frankly the list is way to long.


heck...we'd agree...but nobody is saying that...you are building a straw man argument to burn it down.

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The spirit and creativity of the individual who does the appropriate things to become a professional is the heart of success.


Yeah...like pay business tax, get redundant gear for when disasters happen, keep books, get insurance..etc...

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Most of those who poo poo'd the $900 camera budget clearly have no aspirations of becoming professional, particularly if they think the camera and the money spent on it is the key to opening that door.


Lol...more psychic abilities swami?

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Big surprise for those people....A professional uses the camera that is available when the subject or scene presents itself. I am confident that many who are professional today started out with an UNDER $1000 camera equipped with one lens. :shock:


Yeah..and your point would be?

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To me, being a Professional Photographer, means creating part or all of your income with a camera and photography, no matter how much equipment you own or what you spent for it!


Yeah...and paying taxes on your profit, having insurance so that you protect yourself in case someone is hurt by your negligence or sues you, or having redundant gear so that you can deliver a product if your first camera fails, having a business license...etc...all those pesky details that separate pros from the wanna-be's.

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Feb 12, 2014 08:06:44   #
The Villages Loc: The Villages, Florida
 
Sometimes I think this forum has lost its CIVILITY base. The way some treat others is uncalled for. "I called you this, and you called me that". If you don't like the conversatioin, just let is pass!

The forum has all types asking questions, some more basic then others...but has importance to the person asking. Think about how what you say is viewed by others.

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Feb 12, 2014 08:06:59   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
Let me remind you that Mr. Henri Cartier-Bresson used
a rangefinder camera. Probably one of the father's of modern photography. The bridge between amateur/wanting to be pro,
and pro can have some people telling you it can't be done.
It is wonderful with today's digital camera's you can buy a kit to shoot great stuff. This opportunity did not exist when you needed strobes and a Hasselblad to be considered serious. Do what work you wan't to do. And I read a great interview with a great young up and coming woman photographer. The last quote from her in the article was what would you tell up-and-coming photographers today. She said "just shoot"!

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Feb 12, 2014 08:07:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Kuzano wrote:
Just read a post where a member on the forum commented that he/she wanted to buy a camera to work toward becoming professional. Camera budget ... $900.

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It was a $900 budget for the body, not for the entire houseful of equipment. Very few pros started out with $9,000 of equipment. Suppose the business doesn't work out. They'd be stuck with a lot of expensive equipment.

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Feb 12, 2014 08:08:04   #
RKL349 Loc: Connecticut
 
Well put. Encouragement should always be the theme, not discouragement.

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Feb 12, 2014 08:30:28   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
RKL349 wrote:
Well put. Encouragement should always be the theme, not discouragement.


So you are encouraging those who feel that the OP shouldn't start a business on $900.00 or are you DIScouraging them from voicing that viewpoint?

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Feb 12, 2014 08:32:47   #
twillsol Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
Kuzano wrote:
Just read a post where a member on the forum commented that he/she wanted to buy a camera to work toward becoming professional. Camera budget ... $900.

That person literally got hammered by 2 to 1 posts about "better rethink the budget"... some proffering $9000 as a starting point.

REALLY??????

How does this type of reaction to a simple post encourage photography at any level.

I know there are some on this board who want to stifle professional dreams as a function of protecting a domain they think they alone own. I discount those people off the bat.

Does everybody really think that a person with skills and the courage to market their work (KEY word) cannot begin to sell their work and go on to created a thriving photography business.

To people like the poster in this case, I say good luck and Go For It, even if there is only $900 bucks in the bank at the moment.

The poster did not say they weren't able to spend more when it becomes necessary.

There certainly are many cameras/lens kits out there that can create work that WILL sell, and priced at $1000 or less. This is true particularly if you include used and refurbished camera's.

I'm not the friendliest guy on this forum, and not particularly well liked by some whose shit I have gotten into it with.

Like the scorpion said to the pig in the middle of the river, "It's my nature".

But come on folks. Where's the camaraderie, the good intent, and the willingness to give a fellow hogger a hand up.

Yes, you can start a photography business with any number of camera's I can think of.

The camera is NOT the deterrent. The lack of willingness to do the work is the problem. Many of the responses on this forum would deter others and kill such willingness to make the attempt. Sad!! Sad!! Sad!! :cry:

I would go ahead and make up a list of $900 camera's that will produce images that can be sold, but frankly the list is way to long.

The spirit and creativity of the individual who does the appropriate things to become a professional is the heart of success.

Most of those who poo poo'd the $900 camera budget clearly have no aspirations of becoming professional, particularly if they think the camera and the money spent on it is the key to opening that door.

Big surprise for those people....A professional uses the camera that is available when the subject or scene presents itself. I am confident that many who are professional today started out with an UNDER $1000 camera equipped with one lens. :shock:

To me, being a Professional Photographer, means creating part or all of your income with a camera and photography, no matter how much equipment you own or what you spent for it!
Just read a post where a member on the forum comm... (show quote)


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