Thank a Liberal for America's Gun Ownershaip
Jan 8, 2014 14:40:23 #
Art Grandpa wrote:
Godwin's Law has allowed you to make this crappy argument.
I had not of this law.After looking it up,I will take that into consideration and will make an effort to use another example.None the less what I wrote was entirely appropriate.
Why are you so hateful of gun owners and guns?What happened to you to make you use such strong language?
Jan 8, 2014 14:40:38 #
Art Grandpa wrote:
Godwin's Law has allowed you to make this crappy argument.
I had heard not of this law.After looking it up,I will take that into consideration and will make an effort to use another example.None the less what I wrote was entirely appropriate.
Why are you so hateful of gun owners and guns?What happened to you to make you use such strong language?
Jan 8, 2014 14:58:38 #
Art Grandpa wrote:
Godwin's Law has allowed you to make this crappy argument.
Just how did Godwin's Law 'allow' him to make that statement? His statement falls into the Godwin category, but that's it.
Dogman
Jan 8, 2014 17:15:05 #
One thing about Art Grandpa you can't deny; He's not about to let facts, logic, or good sense get in the way of his opinion. I've found that when he cannot support an argument with facts he resorts to bashing. Just because you "feel" something is right, or wrong, doesn't make it so, unless, of course, you're Art Grandpa.
Jan 8, 2014 17:17:04 #
ttlthor wrote:
One thing about Art Grandpa you can't deny; He's not about to let facts, logic, or good sense get in the way of his opinion. I've found that when he cannot support an argument with facts he resorts to bashing. Just because you "feel" something is right, or wrong, doesn't make it so, unless, of course, you're Art Grandpa.
Par for the course in this forum.
Jan 9, 2014 01:05:55 #
EYES WIDE SHUT
The problem with the anti-gun people is they view the world with their eyes wide shut.
It does not matter to them that the cities with the strictest gun control laws also have the highest crime rates.
It does no good to show them that the cities with the freest gun laws are also the cities with the lowest crime.
You can point out that more people are murdered in gun free zones than in gun friendly areas.
In all these cases the Anti-Gun crowd with eyes wide shut, cherry pick data, excluding true crime and murder rates for only those involving guns.
You can point to Mexico where guns are next to impossible for a law abiding citizen to get but the drug cartels have them in abundance, murdering 10 people a week on average.
You can point out all the atrocities done throughout history, of oppression, enslavement, and genocide due to the inability of the law-abiding people to defend themselves.
None of it makes it past those eyes wide shut.
With eyes wide shut they ignore the evidence, believing that the only thing needed to make bad people good, is to tell them no, no, no, you should not do that. See the nice people, you need to be more like them.
The bad people in response say Thank you people with eyes wide shut for making it easier for the bad to assault, rob, steal, rape and do whatever to those good people.
Now the cruelest, most ruthless, and sadistic of the bad will impose their well on the good because of the ones with eyes wide shut. Ho you people with eyes wide shut you have done such a good job disarming all the good people, now the bad will beat you, take all your belongings, and work you for free to prosper the wicked.
Of course the people with eyes wide shut will puff up their chests and boast, I am smarter and more intelligent because I have all these degrees that prove I am. Therefore, I know what is best for you and your arguments are thus invalid.
What they dont understand is that intellect is not a measure of the information amassed.
Intellect is the measure of ones ability to learn and REASON.
People with good intellect have a capacity for knowledge and UNDERSTANDING.
The ability to THINK in the abstract and develop profound thoughts and insights into the knowledge they acquire.
Ignoring the real world in favor of a perceived utopia with all the knowledge in the world is not intellect it is ignorance.
So to all who travel through life with your eyes wide shut OPEN THEM to the world and see it in all its glory and gore.
Understand that not everyone is the same and stop trying to punish and hand tie the good people that dont think like you do.
We are a nation of free people.
We should be able to do anything we want, go anywhere we want, when ever we want, with whatever we want and enjoy life to its fullest without fear of crime and aggression, AS LONG AS it does not infringe on the freedom of others.
WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES should be free to have life, liberty and pursue happiness as each individual sees fit.
When it does infringe on anothers right, it is a CRIME and should be punished, for which we have police and the court system to bring justice.
The police are not capable of protecting everyone, everywhere, at all times.
It is up to each individual to supply that protection until help arrives.
Determining the level, type and quality of that protection is again up to the individual and must be balanced with the cost to maintain that protection.
It is said, God created man but it took Colt to make them equal.
Those of high intellect understand that statement, those with a low Intellect and eyes wide shut never will.
The world is full of wondrous things but it is also full of dangers.
Bad people are one of those dangers.
A full grown man in the prime of his life cannot, unarmed, defend his family from a mob of bad people, but an 8 year old girl trained on how to use an AR-15 can.
Good people do not commit crimes, let alone purposely shoot other good people, bad people do.
Good people could own anything from a BB gun to a Nuclear Missile and never intentionally cause harm to other good people.
The same cannot be said of the bad and wicked people.
Restricting good people the tools to defend themselves from bad people is not only wrong it is unconscionable.
Does that mean good people should have a nuke in their house?
Of course not, good people put that in the hands of good government elected by good people to protect them from bad people with the same.
Well, WELL, WELL, huff, huff, huff, what about a Machine Gun, Tank or Jet Fighter then. Nah, Nah, Nah! Say the people with eyes wide shut.
Well yes, as a mater of fact. Good people in our country can own those things, right now, but they are very expensive and not much good in defending your house from some criminal at 2 oclock in the morning.
I can see it now the owner telling the crook to wait while he fires up his jet EPIC-FAIL.
But reaching for an AR-15, next to the bed with one hand and pulling a loaded magazine with appropriate ammo, out of the drawer with the other and in a split second having it locked, loaded and ready to defend the house and family works pretty well.
Of course a trained gun owner knows not to put his finger on the trigger let alone pull the trigger until 6 criteria are met
1. IDs the target (preferably from cover)
2. Confirm it is a target (dont want to shoot the kids or spouse by mistake)
3. Has target in sights (Not some sound on the other side of the door)
4. Verifies target is hostel, i.e. is an imminent treat and non-compliant. (Is charging, posing a direct threat, is not obeying instructions to halt and continues to advance, and is not already fleeing, i.e. has been told to halt but is running away, be sure to Remember the Hostel part)
5. Is mindful of surroundings (Dont want the bullet going through the kids or neighbors bedroom wall)
6. Double checks the above
7. Fire a warning shoot into the floor or ceiling just in front of the intruder. (If safe and you have the time that is. You know safe, that kids and neighbor thing again. If not safe the warning shoot could be at intruders arm or leg.) otherwise
8. Aim mid chest to neck put finger on the trigger and squeeze. (Of course you can also aim to wound if youre not willing to take a life in defense of your own and families. This is not a light decision and needs to be made before deciding to set up a firearm for immediate home defense. Hesitating in the moment is not an option.)
Here is another thing good gun people do.
They dont pull a gun on someone unless
1. There is a clear and present danger of death or extreme bodily harm.
2. Lesser force would be ineffective
3. They are ready and willing to shoot.
A good gun person does not pull a gun on someone otherwise.
Bad people go straight to number 3 with no regard to 1 & 2.
Well Im sure this has just been speaking to the choir but even if one person with eyes wide shut is challenged enough to make their eyes wide open it is a good thing.
Thanks for reading. :-)
The problem with the anti-gun people is they view the world with their eyes wide shut.
It does not matter to them that the cities with the strictest gun control laws also have the highest crime rates.
It does no good to show them that the cities with the freest gun laws are also the cities with the lowest crime.
You can point out that more people are murdered in gun free zones than in gun friendly areas.
In all these cases the Anti-Gun crowd with eyes wide shut, cherry pick data, excluding true crime and murder rates for only those involving guns.
You can point to Mexico where guns are next to impossible for a law abiding citizen to get but the drug cartels have them in abundance, murdering 10 people a week on average.
You can point out all the atrocities done throughout history, of oppression, enslavement, and genocide due to the inability of the law-abiding people to defend themselves.
None of it makes it past those eyes wide shut.
With eyes wide shut they ignore the evidence, believing that the only thing needed to make bad people good, is to tell them no, no, no, you should not do that. See the nice people, you need to be more like them.
The bad people in response say Thank you people with eyes wide shut for making it easier for the bad to assault, rob, steal, rape and do whatever to those good people.
Now the cruelest, most ruthless, and sadistic of the bad will impose their well on the good because of the ones with eyes wide shut. Ho you people with eyes wide shut you have done such a good job disarming all the good people, now the bad will beat you, take all your belongings, and work you for free to prosper the wicked.
Of course the people with eyes wide shut will puff up their chests and boast, I am smarter and more intelligent because I have all these degrees that prove I am. Therefore, I know what is best for you and your arguments are thus invalid.
What they dont understand is that intellect is not a measure of the information amassed.
Intellect is the measure of ones ability to learn and REASON.
People with good intellect have a capacity for knowledge and UNDERSTANDING.
The ability to THINK in the abstract and develop profound thoughts and insights into the knowledge they acquire.
Ignoring the real world in favor of a perceived utopia with all the knowledge in the world is not intellect it is ignorance.
So to all who travel through life with your eyes wide shut OPEN THEM to the world and see it in all its glory and gore.
Understand that not everyone is the same and stop trying to punish and hand tie the good people that dont think like you do.
We are a nation of free people.
We should be able to do anything we want, go anywhere we want, when ever we want, with whatever we want and enjoy life to its fullest without fear of crime and aggression, AS LONG AS it does not infringe on the freedom of others.
WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES should be free to have life, liberty and pursue happiness as each individual sees fit.
When it does infringe on anothers right, it is a CRIME and should be punished, for which we have police and the court system to bring justice.
The police are not capable of protecting everyone, everywhere, at all times.
It is up to each individual to supply that protection until help arrives.
Determining the level, type and quality of that protection is again up to the individual and must be balanced with the cost to maintain that protection.
It is said, God created man but it took Colt to make them equal.
Those of high intellect understand that statement, those with a low Intellect and eyes wide shut never will.
The world is full of wondrous things but it is also full of dangers.
Bad people are one of those dangers.
A full grown man in the prime of his life cannot, unarmed, defend his family from a mob of bad people, but an 8 year old girl trained on how to use an AR-15 can.
Good people do not commit crimes, let alone purposely shoot other good people, bad people do.
Good people could own anything from a BB gun to a Nuclear Missile and never intentionally cause harm to other good people.
The same cannot be said of the bad and wicked people.
Restricting good people the tools to defend themselves from bad people is not only wrong it is unconscionable.
Does that mean good people should have a nuke in their house?
Of course not, good people put that in the hands of good government elected by good people to protect them from bad people with the same.
Well, WELL, WELL, huff, huff, huff, what about a Machine Gun, Tank or Jet Fighter then. Nah, Nah, Nah! Say the people with eyes wide shut.
Well yes, as a mater of fact. Good people in our country can own those things, right now, but they are very expensive and not much good in defending your house from some criminal at 2 oclock in the morning.
I can see it now the owner telling the crook to wait while he fires up his jet EPIC-FAIL.
But reaching for an AR-15, next to the bed with one hand and pulling a loaded magazine with appropriate ammo, out of the drawer with the other and in a split second having it locked, loaded and ready to defend the house and family works pretty well.
Of course a trained gun owner knows not to put his finger on the trigger let alone pull the trigger until 6 criteria are met
1. IDs the target (preferably from cover)
2. Confirm it is a target (dont want to shoot the kids or spouse by mistake)
3. Has target in sights (Not some sound on the other side of the door)
4. Verifies target is hostel, i.e. is an imminent treat and non-compliant. (Is charging, posing a direct threat, is not obeying instructions to halt and continues to advance, and is not already fleeing, i.e. has been told to halt but is running away, be sure to Remember the Hostel part)
5. Is mindful of surroundings (Dont want the bullet going through the kids or neighbors bedroom wall)
6. Double checks the above
7. Fire a warning shoot into the floor or ceiling just in front of the intruder. (If safe and you have the time that is. You know safe, that kids and neighbor thing again. If not safe the warning shoot could be at intruders arm or leg.) otherwise
8. Aim mid chest to neck put finger on the trigger and squeeze. (Of course you can also aim to wound if youre not willing to take a life in defense of your own and families. This is not a light decision and needs to be made before deciding to set up a firearm for immediate home defense. Hesitating in the moment is not an option.)
Here is another thing good gun people do.
They dont pull a gun on someone unless
1. There is a clear and present danger of death or extreme bodily harm.
2. Lesser force would be ineffective
3. They are ready and willing to shoot.
A good gun person does not pull a gun on someone otherwise.
Bad people go straight to number 3 with no regard to 1 & 2.
Well Im sure this has just been speaking to the choir but even if one person with eyes wide shut is challenged enough to make their eyes wide open it is a good thing.
Thanks for reading. :-)
Jan 9, 2014 09:59:55 #
Wow! I don't know where you've been until now, Big E88, but I'm sure glad you're here! I think dogman has the best idea about this idiot art gramps.......ignore the creep! He's obviously crazy, and if you try to argue with a crazy person, other people may think you're crazy too.
BTW, Art Gramps.....yeah, it's "par" for this forum....it's a terrible place.....you probably won't be "comfortable "here".....(or any place else with an attitude like you have! ) So maybe you oughta just "move on" and find a forum for fruitcakes where you'll "fit in" better and you'll be happier! And just remamber....we'll really miss you! (about like a dose of clapp )
BTW, Art Gramps.....yeah, it's "par" for this forum....it's a terrible place.....you probably won't be "comfortable "here".....(or any place else with an attitude like you have! ) So maybe you oughta just "move on" and find a forum for fruitcakes where you'll "fit in" better and you'll be happier! And just remamber....we'll really miss you! (about like a dose of clapp )
Jan 9, 2014 11:50:48 #
Art Grandpa wrote:
Cool. I didn't read your post because it wouldn't change my opinion. Just wanted to let you know that I still think gun ownership should be banned and gun owners rounded up and imprisoned like the pigs they are.
Jan 9, 2014 14:26:40 #
Thanks Gitzo.
Your are correct that you can't argue with crazy people.
Ditto that for emotional arguments, and fanatics.
While I don't always succeed, I try never to argue but do enjoy debating issues with informed people and people with different view points as long as they stay focused on topic and can avoid hostilities and emotional arguments as much as possible.
I found this sight because I like photography and am starting a college class on Digital-Photography and want to couple others hard learned lessons and experiences with what I will be learning in class. This thread touched one of my hot buttons and had to put in my two cents, well maybe a buck-fifty.
Again Thanks for the kind remarks.
Your are correct that you can't argue with crazy people.
Ditto that for emotional arguments, and fanatics.
While I don't always succeed, I try never to argue but do enjoy debating issues with informed people and people with different view points as long as they stay focused on topic and can avoid hostilities and emotional arguments as much as possible.
I found this sight because I like photography and am starting a college class on Digital-Photography and want to couple others hard learned lessons and experiences with what I will be learning in class. This thread touched one of my hot buttons and had to put in my two cents, well maybe a buck-fifty.
Again Thanks for the kind remarks.
Jan 9, 2014 14:48:31 #
I could go broke buying enough troll spray for all of the fruit cakes around here!
Jan 9, 2014 14:50:36 #
Gitzo wrote:
Thank a Liberal for Americas Gun Ownership br br... (show quote)
Whether you are in favor of gun ownership or gun control does not make you liberal or conservative. Lumping people into these categories is idiotic.
Jan 10, 2014 17:56:53 #
BigE88 wrote:
EYES WIDE SHUT br br The problem with the anti-gu... (show quote)
How's this for irony?
Irony 1.
We are told NOT TO judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics. "
BUT on the other hand ... "We are also encouraged TO judge ALL Gun Owners by the actions of a few lunatics."
How is that supposed to work ...?
Irony 2.
The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture,
is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free meals and Food Stamps
ever, to 47.5 million people as of the most recent figures available in April 2013.
Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the
Interior, asks us "Please Do Not Feed the Animals."
Their stated reason for the policy is because "The animals will grow dependent on
handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves."
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