Gay marriage and gun control (Page 9): Right, so the issue lays with their perception, not with anything inherent to gays that prevents them from being active, loving parents.

ProPhoyo

SteveR wrote:

Intolerance? I would say not. It has to do with the Catholic and Christian view of marriage and the family. The homosexual couple does not fit that view, and will never be seen as qualified to rear a child in a Christian environment. Gay marriage is simply a product of the pagan society in which we live.

Right, so the issue lays with their perception, not with anything inherent to gays that prevents them from being active, loving parents.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

Art Grandpa wrote:

Have you ever looked at your fellow farmer, sweat dripping through the dirt on his brow, and felt your heart rate rise? Your pants getting tighter as his rock hard muscles lift himself up into the combine.

yup have. an it tells me he is a hard working man. trying to make a livin. but never made heart do what ever.

but you still haven't answered my earlier question. why are you trying to promote your being gay so predominately. there are others who are gay here, an don't seem to be so stressed out about it as you are appearing to be. :roll:

Art Grandpa Loc: Washougal, WA

dirtpusher wrote:

yup have. an it tells me he is a hard working man. trying to make a livin. but never made heart do what ever.

but you still haven't answered my earlier question. why are you trying to promote your being gay so predominately. there are others who are gay here, an don't seem to be so stressed out about it as you are appearing to be. :roll:

I'm stressing out about "being gay" because being gay is marginalized and oppressed in America. Considering how there are other threads on this very forum decrying being gay and decrying gay marriage I don't think I'm off in this assessment in the slightest. Stop being obtuse.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

Art Grandpa wrote:

I'm stressing out about "being gay" because being gay is marginalized and oppressed in America. Considering how there are other threads on this very forum decrying being gay and decrying gay marriage I don't think I'm off in this assessment in the slightest. Stop being obtuse.

sounds like a personal problem.

Musket Loc: ArtBallin'

dirtpusher wrote:

sounds like a personal problem.

Sounds like the problem is you not liking gay people. Its not 1855.

Art Grandpa Loc: Washougal, WA

dirtpusher wrote:

sounds like a personal problem.

Systematic oppression is not a personal problem, it's a societal problem.

Croce Loc: Earth

Art Grandpa wrote:

Let's compromise. Gay marriage gets legalized, Roe v Wade stays upheld, and gun laws don't need to change. Sounds like a good move forward for America to me!

Halleluja (or however one spells it) halleluja. We agree on something. I believe the government has no business in bedrooms anyway.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

Musket wrote:

Sounds like the problem is you not liking gay people. Its not 1855.

WOOOO WOOOO NOW

you have never seen those words come from me ever. :!:

done told you i know an have drank a drink with gays. but your response was. you didn't give a rats about the gays i know, at they don't push or so loudly proclaim being gay.

thinks you have way more issues in life than being gay..

so get over it, or quit being gay.... lol

Art Grandpa Loc: Washougal, WA

dirtpusher wrote:

so get over it, or quit being gay.... lol

Get over gay being a problem and the solution is here. I'm staying the way I am and I'm going to do my best to make sure that each generation after me knows that it's OK to be gay and it's OK to express yourself however you want. No one is making you be gay and no one is making you be angry over gay people being vocal - it's all you.

Art Grandpa Loc: Washougal, WA

The mere fact that you think there are "bigger issues" and that I should "get over it" is a marginalization of my lifestyle and the entire reason homosexuality is a topic of discussion in modern culture.

rhitmrb Loc: Portland, OR

Art Grandpa wrote:

Good thing no one is forcing you to be gay OR forcing a church to marry anyone gay. What a relief!

I wonder what he thinks is making Catholic adoption agencies close, then. I know I was forced to gay adopt three kids last year.

Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az

rhitmrb wrote:

If this were true, we wouldn't allow sterile people to marry. Nor has it been true historically - there have always been political marriages, for example, and dowries have often been an important economic incentive.

So how did people of say the Middle ages know if they were sterile? Gee- they bleed sick people then and even put manure on wounds for all their knowledge on health issues. So maybe marriage wasn't denied by them for being sterile. Beside throughout history in the records of the past, kings and other great leaders (the masses were never written about) if they didn't get a prodigy off a wife, they would take other women to get a heir. So a heir was an important part of the marriage.

You are right but it wasn't as prevalent as you try to impress upon me of political marriages, even dowries. Yes greed, just as the gays in marriage today factored into the marriage scene. But once they married, for the most part one of the compelling things that was done was to see the accumulated wealth was passed down to a direct heir. That means, they would even go outside of marriage to get it, because they didn't have the ability to know who was sterile and who wasn't.

So your claim to fame for professing that it was for political or dowries, which were a very small, infinitesimal amount of people, compared to all those who lived in the past and got married. That wasn't the reason for marriage, it was ensure a heir of known parentage.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

Art Grandpa wrote:

The mere fact that you think there are "bigger issues" and that I should "get over it" is a marginalization of my lifestyle and the entire reason homosexuality is a topic of discussion in modern culture.

no don't think this is the problem on this thead. i do firmly believe you have tried to stir anybody in to a debate. but after observing you, think we can easily say you would prefer the word argument.

it shows your mind set... but i got a kick out of it...
do you remember doin this. this was too funny.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Art Grandpa Loc: Washougal, WA

dirtpusher wrote:

no don't think this is the problem on this thead. i do firmly believe you have tried to stir anybody in to a debate. but after observing you, think we can easily say you would prefer the word argument.

it shows your mind set... but i got a kick out of it...
do you remember doin this. this was too funny.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Should I post your response? The image was not really safe for this forum but if you want to air dirty laundry that picture really should be posted.

Glad you had to Google "hilarious." It's a tough word, I lost the 2nd grade spelling bee to that one.

dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma

rhitmrb wrote:

I wonder what he thinks is making Catholic adoption agencies close, then. I know I was forced to gay adopt three kids last year.

could you go into more detail on this (forced) part your statement.