Turdlow; I have often wondered why you're such a twitt; and now it looks like the "cat is out of the bag"; (or more accurately, in this case, the "twit" is out of the "closet"! )

So, what's with all of the screaming & yelling about Uganda trying to pass a bill to shoot queers ? Why do you even "CARE"? as one of your OWN hero's would say, "what difference does it make"? (Or were you contemplating taking a trip to Uganda in the near future? ) I don't think you'll need to worry about the Ugandan's shooting you, Turdlow; after all, you're a U.S. citizen, right? I'm pretty sure all those "Ugandies" want to shoot are Ugandian faireys; If they do give you any trouble and act like they might be thinking about shooting you, just tell them that you're on "Ugly Hedgehog's" chit-chat forum, and that you "know me"! When they call me, I'll tell them that they better NOT shoot you! (just take you up on their highest mountain and shove you off a cliff. )

For the most part, you did not answer my question. Citing the Klu Klux Klan as Christian because they used the cross? What Christian tradition is burning crosses? The KKK was a political terrorist organization. Do you really expect us to believe that Russia jailing political dissidents is motivated by Orthodox Christianity? Nearly every example you provide has nothing to with Christianity other than to have a significant part of the population nominally identify themselves as Christian. The northern Ireland war was a political dispute. How is the rise of neoNazis in Germany, Italy, and Greece related at all to Christianity? By your logic if an atheist in one of these "Christian" country went crazy and set off a bomb at a soccer match and killed hundreds of people it would a case of Christian violence because of where he lives.

The most legitimate point you have concerns the killing of late term abortionists and bombing of abortion clinics. Everything else you cited is relatively bogus.

What a load of crap. What difference does it make who was in charge? The 9/11 attack was years in planning and if you believe the experts it was started by Clintons lack of response to numerous attacks in the Middle East.

You clowns on the right need everything to be about you. The 9/11 attack had nothing to do with a political party. It had everything to do with the fatwa issued by radical Muslims. They want our way of life erased.

If we use your logic, let's blame Bush for Pearl Harbor also.

Well, this is going to be fun.

First of all, nice attempt to put your right wing spin by using the term "late term abortionists". Did you really think I was going to let that pass? Here is a fact--a tiny percentage of abortions occur during the third trimester (I would be happy to provide you with links to sources if you really to contest this. But you have the same Google I have. Look it up for yourself.) So the Christian zealots are murdering more than just late term abortionists. And lets not forget the receptionists, security guards and others who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Collateral damage, I suppose.

The KKK is not a Christian organization? Funny, that's not what they think:

http://www.kkk.com

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/price&bowers/klan.html

"Do you really expect us to believe that Russia jailing political dissidents is motivated by Orthodox Christianity?" No--but it is the Orthodox Christians who are doing the jailing.

Let's go to Nazi Germany: Although the Nazi Leadership disavowed religion, the population of Germany at the time was nearly 100% Christian. Hitler did not drag the Jews off to the camps himself--it was the good German Christians who did that. Apparently without any second thoughts whatsoever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

http://markhumphrys.com/christianity.ww2.html#summary

"How is the rise of neoNazis in Germany, Italy, and Greece related at all to Christianity?" Because they arise from predominantly Christian cultures and traditions.

Any other questions?

Turdlow; I have often wondered why you're such a twitt; and now it looks like the "cat is out of the bag"; (or more accurately, in this case, the "twit" is out of the "closet"! )

So, what's with all of the screaming & yelling about Uganda trying to pass a bill to shoot queers ? Why do you even "CARE"? as one of your OWN hero's would say, "what difference does it make"? (Or were you contemplating taking a trip to Uganda in the near future? ) I don't think you'll need to worry about the Ugandan's shooting you, Turdlow; after all, you're a U.S. citizen, right? I'm pretty sure all those "Ugandies" want to shoot are Ugandian faireys; If they do give you any trouble and act like they might be thinking about shooting you, just tell them that you're on "Ugly Hedgehog's" chit-chat forum, and that you "know me"! When they call me, I'll tell them that they better NOT shoot you! (just take you up on their highest mountain and shove you off a cliff. )

Well, this is going to be fun.

First of all, nice attempt to put your right wing spin by using the term "late term abortionists". Did you really think I was going to let that pass? Here is a fact--a tiny percentage of abortions occur during the third trimester (I would be happy to provide you with links to sources if you really to contest this. But you have the same Google I have. Look it up for yourself.) So the Christian zealots are murdering more than just late term abortionists. And lets not forget the receptionists, security guards and others who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Collateral damage, I suppose.

Who's Helping Finance Uganda's 'Kill the Gays' Bill? You Are
Posted: 12/03/2012 2:01 pm

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Uganda is set to pass new anti-gay legislation with provisions calling for the execution of gay people under some circumstances. The rumor of the death penalty clause being removed seems grossly exaggerated. Dr. Warren Throckmorton, who has followed the legislation closely, indicates that some Western media are erroneously reporting that the death penalty clause has been removed. He writes that "the bill is the same bill it has always been. It cannot be amended until the committee report is presented to the floor of the Parliament." Even with the amendment the legislation remains a gross travesty of justice.

The "intellectual" fuel for this grotesque law came from Christian fundamentalists in the United States. According to The New York Times:

Much of Africa's anti-homosexuality movement is supported by American evangelicals, the Rev. Kapya Kaoma of Zambia wrote in 2009, who are keen to export the American "culture war" to new ground. Indeed, American evangelical Christians played a role in stirring the anti-homosexual sentiment that culminated in the initial legislation in Uganda.

American fundamentalists operate in Africa both openly and covertly. They conduct public "crusades" to covert African Christians to their extremist views but also run a plethora of "charitable" projects operated "under the umbrella of nongovernment organizations (NGOs), which provides them with access to grant monies from various overseas agencies," according to "Globalizing the Culture Wars," a report by Political Research Associates (PRA). Because none of this is reported, PRA acknowledges that "it is difficult to quantify the exact amounts going to Africa," but all of it contributes to their influence.

Churches in Africa have been lobbied by American fundamentalists to drop ties with mainstream Christian groups and promised funding if they do. PRA says that African leaders, especially "presidents Yoweri Museveni of Uganda, Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, and Sam Nujoma of Namibia have all used homosexuality to distract people from the issues facing their countries and churches by claiming that homosexuals are responsible for moral decay in Africa. They have linked homosexuality with child molestation, ritual child murder, corruption, opposition parties (in Uganda), pornography, and other social ills. Yet these same leaders are silent about human rights abuses and undemocratic tendencies in their countries." (Also see Zimbabwe: The Death of a Dream.)

American fundamentalist Rev. Rick Warren, featured by President Obama at his inauguration, traveled to the region to meet with political leaders. His public message in Uganda was, "Homosexuality is not a natural way of life and thus not a human right." Whether Warren cares to admit it or not, that statement expresses tacit approval of laws against LGBT people, because, by his theory, no violation of rights is involved.

This repressive measure was born out of American Christian fundamentalism and corrupt politicians using anti-gay campaigns to divert attention from their own misrule. But how do these regimes survive? What keeps them in place? The sad answer is that the U.S. government has poured billions of your tax dollars into Uganda.

International security expert Peter Bergen wrote in The New York Times that Obama "has turned out to be one of the most militarily aggressive American leaders in decades." As part of that new aggressive foreign interventionism, the United States has been arming the government of Uganda and training the military.

As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton met with Museveni to discuss new U.S.-Uganda military cooperation. This started during her husband's term as president under the so-called African Crisis Response Intiative, seen by some as merely an excuse for the American military camel to get its nose under the tent. The Obama administration has escalated U.S. involvement with Uganda's military.

Voice of America reports that the purported reason for the escalation of support to Uganda has been the "threat of the Lord's Resistance Army," but they also report that Paul Omach, professor of security studies at Makerere University in Uganda, says that that is not the primary reason that the United States is involved in Uganda. He notes that the LRA is only "several hundred" in number.

Mobhare Mitinyi, who wrote for Tanzania's The Citizen, also found Obama disingenuous. He asked:

Why has Obama taken this rather unexpected step at this time when the LRA is already reduced to merely 500 active fighters? In fact, five years ago Ugandan forces pushed Kony out of Ugandan territory for the first time although they couldn't wipe his group out. On top of that, the brutal messianic leader is on the run trying to dodge the International Criminal Court's arrest warrant. So, why now!

He quotes Obama as saying "that deploying these US armed forces furthers US national security interests and foreign policy." It's part of what Bergen called Obama's aggressive foreign interventionism. Mitinyi says new U.S. legislation "launched a satellite intelligence program with Uganda along with RQ-11 Raven miniature unmanned aerial vehicles for reconnaissance and helicopters," which has "completely changed US intelligence and logistical capabilities."

The AP reports, "Already this year, the Pentagon has poured more than $82 million into counterterrorism assistance for six African countries, with more than half of that going to Uganda." This military aid supports Museveni's government. Prof. Omach warned:

The paradox of external military assistance in authoritarian states is that it ends up supporting authoritarianism, either intentionally or unintentionally. The countries with military means at hand will always use military means to resolve political disputes, even at home. So that is possibly one of the unfortunate impacts of the U.S. military involvement. I think it has given the government and Museveni's leadership a lease on life.
Even while the Ugandan government is preparing legislation that will allow it to arrest anyone who supports gay rights and give it the power to execute people for homosexual acts, the U.S. government is willing to continue funding the regime so as to have military access to Africa in order to fight this undefinable and unstoppable "war on terror."

This is not the first time gays were thrown under the "war on terror" bus. In Iraq the United States set up a regime that has allowed gay Iraqis to be hunted down and murdered. While that regime was put in power by the U.S. and relied upon it for support, the U.S. has said nothing to them about the killings. One Iraqi gay activist who escaped to London says that as many as 750 gay men have been executed by radical Islamists and government forces alike.

American money propping up the Museveni regime is significantly more than what is given militarily. In the last four years the U.S. has lavished almost $1.8 billion in aid to Uganda. Ostensibly, this government-to-government aid is supposed to help economic development, support infrastructure, provide health issues, etc. In reality much of ends up in the pockets of the ruling elite and their bureaucrats.

Uganda is considered so corrupt that many other major donors have already pulled funding. The Guardian reported in November that Britain "has suspended all direct aid to the Ugandan government with immediate effect." Some concerns arose from the fact that funds from Ireland, Norway, Denmark and Sweden "had ended up in accounts belong to the prime minister's aides" instead of going to projects for which they were intended. Uganda's increasingly heavy-handed authoritarianism has also come into play. The Guardian says that Museveni's reputation has "dimmed in recent years because of his heavy-handed tactics in dealing with political opposition and following accusations that he has been arming troops in the Democratic Republic of the Congo."

Uganda's New Vision newspaper reports that in addition to Britain, Germany, Denmark, Norway and Ireland had decided "to halt payments in the wake of a scandal involving theft of donor's funds."

Corrupt regimes in Africa use the plight of their people -- often the result of the government's own policies -- to extract aid from wealthier countries and donor organizations. The Daily Monitor, a Uganda-based newspaper, bluntly editorialized that "corruption thrives at a large scale in government. The implication is that a considerable percentage of the money which comes into the economy as aid is the same money that is embezzled." Member of Parliament Gerald Karuhanga charged that "Uganda continues to ask for foreign funding but when the money comes, it goes in the wrong hands. If fact, very little foreign assistance would be required today if all of our leaders were clean and ready to serve."

In The Politics of American Aid and Conflict in Northern Uganda, Sophia Boehm makes an important point about foreign aid in the case of Uganda: "Rather than facilitate development in Uganda, US aid has instead legitimized and propped up a government that relies on undemocratic practices to maintain power."

Uganda's "kill the gays" bill would be reasons enough to end U.S. financial support, but we should also consider the fact that such aid does not reach the people for whom it is intended, instead lining the pockets of corrupt government officials. American taxpayers are funding the government that is pushing this legislation and enriching the officials responsible for it. Our military is helping the Ugandan military keep this corrupt regime in power. Like it or not, every American taxpayer is funding the "kill the gays" legislation.


I know name calling will follow, and slurs on Huffington Post, but there is plenty here to google for anyone who seriously wants to investigate.

Pastor Rick Warren, whose work fighting AIDS has taken him around the continent and has given him the opportunity to visit and work in Uganda many times, posted on Friday a Twitter message reading: "An unjust law in Uganda is back in the news. I opposed it 3 yrs ago and I still do," which was also shared with The Christian Post by Kristin Cole, a spokesperson for Warren.

In his statement three years ago, Warren stated that it was not his role to interfere with the politics of other countries, but that he still has a duty to speak out on moral issues. He said the bill was "unjust, extreme and un-Christian toward homosexuals."

As to why he hadn't made the statement when the bill first started making rounds in Uganda's parliament, he said that "some erroneously concluded that I supported this terrible bill, and some even claimed I was a sponsor of the bill. He added, "I oppose the criminalization of homosexuality."

Wow, time for a Crusade aaaaha, that what GW Bush said the war on Iraq was intended to be!! Before we do that let GW convert all those heathen Jews to Christianity:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2013/nov/14/george-w-bush-speech-messianic-judaism

But first let us ready the Nukes to bomb Iran:
"GOP mega-donor Sheldon Adelson made headlines back in October when he said that the U.S. should detonate a nuclear weapon in the Iranian desert to send Tehran a message. But Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) took this line of thinking a step further on C-Span’s Washington Journal Wednesday morning when he suggested that Iran’s nuclear facilities should be the target. "
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/12/04/3018431/duncan-hunter-iran-nukes/

I find the far right wing so righteous: they will indeed sit on the right hand of God, the far right hand.

The sooner we destroy the world in a great atomic holocaust (which never happened) the sooner Jesus will come again to a 5 star resort near you.... Surly he donates heavely to the Republican party... they are gushing with the spirit of Christs teaching about brotherhood.

Guys get real, get with a forward program and stop picking one word, sentence or comment out of context. In the mean time enjoy your self torment and self reinforcement of hate. I will admit the man has funny ears but otherwise he is quite intelligent.

Oh yes, stock market has doubled, gasoline last week was lowest in a long time, all in all we are recovering from the Bush years. Now if the Republican Congress would only vote instead of having a one-man road block our country could be great again.... what humbugs you anti-every thing guys are... Boring

By the way, what is your forward program???

Let's dodge some facts, Penny...from the 20 Quotes from Obama etc:

The allegation is that Obama said:
‘The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam’

The quote and the context is this:

“The impulse towards intolerance and violence may initially be focused on the West, but over time it cannot be contained. The same impulses toward extremism are used to justify war between Sunni and Shia, between tribes and clans. It leads not to strength and prosperity but to chaos. In less than two years, we have seen largely peaceful protests bring more change to Muslim-majority countries than a decade of violence. And extremists understand this. Because they have nothing to offer to improve the lives of people, violence is their only way to stay relevant. They don’t build; they only destroy. [...] The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated, or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied.”

Addressing the U.N. General Assembly, President Obama calls for tolerance and speaks out against violence.

Can anyone--yourself included--possibly be insulted by this quote?

The effect the article created is simply dishonest.

Factually yours, tom

Turdlow; I have often wondered why you're such a twitt; and now it looks like the "cat is out of the bag"; (or more accurately, in this case, the "twit" is out of the "closet"! )

So, what's with all of the screaming & yelling about Uganda trying to pass a bill to shoot queers ? Why do you even "CARE"? as one of your OWN hero's would say, "what difference does it make"? (Or were you contemplating taking a trip to Uganda in the near future? ) I don't think you'll need to worry about the Ugandan's shooting you, Turdlow; after all, you're a U.S. citizen, right? I'm pretty sure all those "Ugandies" want to shoot are Ugandian faireys; If they do give you any trouble and act like they might be thinking about shooting you, just tell them that you're on "Ugly Hedgehog's" chit-chat forum, and that you "know me"! When they call me, I'll tell them that they better NOT shoot you! (just take you up on their highest mountain and shove you off a cliff. )