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Dec 10, 2013 22:54:53   #
Georgiatrim Loc: Atlanta
 
Larrymbst wrote:
What is there to criticize about Clarence Thomas? He has never written an opinion...or read one.


Looks like Larrymbst wears a mask to reduce the smell of his own Bullshit

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Dec 10, 2013 23:13:46   #
Larrymbst Loc: Los Angeles,Ca
 
Take quotes out of context and anyone can beade to say anything This is nonsense and I have looked at those quotes on YouTube. Admit that you are on the wrong side of the future and be a tad more honest

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Dec 10, 2013 23:13:49   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Gitzo wrote:
It's not nearly as difficult as you think it is, Dave; It depends on experience, and experience come with age. (However, there ARE some notable excepting to that rule also ) (Justb look at Pullum.......that old POS is older than dirt! You'd think a guy that old / experienced would be pretty smart by now....(which old "fuzzy-face" proves he's NOT, every time he opens his yap.

as far as Obozo is concerned..........of course it's all true; you don't even need a "source" to know that.
It's not nearly as difficult as you think it is, ... (show quote)


Of course we don't need a source. Your Own Awesome Self will tell us everything we need to know, right?

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Dec 10, 2013 23:27:34   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
JBTaylor wrote:
What a silly question!

Name some Christians that kill and preach killing in the present. I would ask you to name a Christian country that imprisons people of another religion for merely practicing it or peacefully sharing it with others as Iran and other Muslim countries do to Christians but I'm not aware of any Christian countries period.

It has already been agreed that much killing in the name of religion is really political in nature. Unless communism is considered a religion there's been a lot of killing without religion as an excuse.

There may be millions of Muslims that mean others no harm but there is a large number that are willing to kill and die for their religion. It's in the news nearly every day. Again, a lot of killing in the name of religion is political by nature but how many people are willing to kill themselves along with others for a mere political cause. How many Christian suicide bombers have attacked in the last 20 years? That seems to be a Muslim phenomena.

Which followers of their respective religions is a bigger threat to the lives and health of people around the world today?
What a silly question! br br Name some Christians... (show quote)


OK--how about if we start with the Ku Klux Klan? After all, their symbol is a cross. Then we could go on to the Christians who bomb abortion clinics, and murder doctors performing a perfectly legal medical service. Then there is Russia, predominantly an Orthodox Christian nation that routinely jails political dissidents. All of the brutal central and South American dictatorships that were or are Roman Catholic. Or the troubles in Northern ireland when different types of Christians were quite busy killing each other. The European Axis powers were Christian nations---boy talk about killing--those guys take the prize. If 70 years ago is too far back for you to consider modern, we can look at the rise of the neo-Nazis in Germany, italy and Greece today.

i could go on and on--but I trust you get my point. Islam is not alone among the religions that justify killing to advance a political agenda.

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Dec 10, 2013 23:27:50   #
BlowingBubbles Loc: Texas
 
Larrymbst wrote:
Take quotes out of context and anyone can beade to say anything This is nonsense and I have looked at those quotes on YouTube. Admit that you are on the wrong side of the future and be a tad more honest


Okay. So you don't believe his quotes. How about his lies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDDbTaWpwoc

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Dec 10, 2013 23:34:09   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
ted45 wrote:
Please spare me this continued Bush bashing. 1. The approval to go to war was passed by 100% of the congress. 2. The UN passed a resolution to allow a coalition of nations to go to war. 3. Hillary, Reed, Kerry, etc. were all trumpeting the war call at the time. 4. The Democrats controlled both the House and the Senate at the time. 5. Bush could not commit troops other than the Marines without congressional approval. 6. The National debt was 10.6 trillion on the day Bush left office. It is now 15.6 trillion and rising.

Obama has owned this economy for five years. He owned both the House and the Senate for his first two years. Iraq came to an end based on the Bush plan. Obama has failed to get us out of Afghanistan and has just extended our stay. The casualties have been higher in every year he has been in office than the worst year Bush was in office. He has gutted the military and continues to do so at the expense of our sons and daughters fighting for their lives of there. He has increased the national debt and the loss of lives to a war that should be over. The objective was obtained with the death of Bin Laden.

"And You and I have paid taxes, continue to pay taxes, and will pay taxes for decades to come, and they won't repair the damage we have done." Let's not forget the damage that was done on 9/11: over 3,000 innocent lives and millions in property.

http://icasualties.org/oef/
Please spare me this continued Bush bashing. 1. T... (show quote)


"Let's not forget the damage that was done on 9/11: over 3,000 innocent lives and millions in property."

Right. And who was in charge on 9/11? Or are you one of the citizens in the right wing bubble that have managed to delude yourself that Bush took office on 9/12? Can you imagine the right wing outrage if Obama had been sitting in the Oval on 9/11? Unfair question--maybe you can't.

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Dec 10, 2013 23:34:40   #
Larrymbst Loc: Los Angeles,Ca
 
You're right He is the first Pres to lie. Fortunately unlike Pres Bush thousands didn't die because of that. Did those Bush Cheney lies upset you.? Or just Obamas.

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Dec 10, 2013 23:50:45   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
NOTE: The number for each item was also a hotlink to the source/documentation for that quote; apparently the process of posting the article here, stripped out the hotlinks. NOTE ALSO: Under Islamic law Obama is a Muslim.

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20 Obama Quotes About Islam Contrasted With 20 Obama Quotes About Christianity
By Michael Snyder, on September 27th, 2013

Furthermore, Mr. Wright says Mr. Obama possessed an “Islamic background” and despite his conversion to Christianity has never abandoned his Muslim roots. In short, Mr. Wright appears to be confirming what I have argued for years: Mr. Obama is a cultural Muslim whose Christianity is deeply tied to black liberation theology - the belief that America and the West have an evil, imperialist civilization bent on oppressing the Third World. Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/17/jeremiah-wright-can-sink-obama/#ixzz2mvd7lRNh
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

You are about to read some of the most shocking quotes that Barack Obama has ever uttered in public. A few of these have been widely circulated, but most of them are very obscure. Even though he claims to be a Christian, throughout his political career Obama has repeatedly attacked traditional Biblical Christianity and he has a very long history of anti-Christian actions. In public speeches he has repeatedly cast doubt on the Bible, he has repeatedly stated that he does not believe that Jesus is necessary for salvation, and he has consistently said that he believes that all “people of faith” believe in the same God. At the same time, Obama has always referred to Muhammed as “the Prophet”, he has always expressed great love and respect for Islam, and he has even removed all references to Islam from terror training materials used by federal government agencies. So what in the world does “the leader of the free world” actually believe? Read the quotes below and decide for yourself…
20 Quotes By Barack Obama About Islam
#1 “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”
#2 “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer”
#3 “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”
#4 “As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam.”
#5 “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.”
#6 “Islam has always been part of America”
#7 “we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities”
#8 “These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”
#9 “America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.”
#10 “I made clear that America is not – and never will be – at war with Islam.”
#11 “Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism – it is an important part of promoting peace.”
#12 “So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed”
#13 “In ancient times and in our times, Muslim communities have been at the forefront of innovation and education.”
#14 “throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.”
#15 “Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality”
#16 “The Holy Koran tells us, ‘O mankind! We have created you male and a female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another.’”
#17 “I look forward to hosting an Iftar dinner celebrating Ramadan here at the White House later this week, and wish you a blessed month.”
#18 “We’ve seen those results in generations of Muslim immigrants – farmers and factory workers, helping to lay the railroads and build our cities, the Muslim innovators who helped build some of our highest skyscrapers and who helped unlock the secrets of our universe.”
#19 “That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”
#20 “I also know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story.”

20 Quotes By Barack Obama About Christianity
#1 “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”
#2 “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”
#3 “Which passages of scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith?”
#4 “Even those who claim the Bible’s inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, sensing that some passages – the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ’s divinity – are central to Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life.”
#5 “The American people intuitively understand this, which is why the majority of Catholics practice birth control and some of those opposed to gay marriage nevertheless are opposed to a Constitutional amendment to ban it. Religious leadership need not accept such wisdom in counseling their flocks, but they should recognize this wisdom in their politics.”
#6 From Obama’s book, The Audacity of Hope: “I am not willing to have the state deny American citizens a civil union that confers equivalent rights on such basic matters as hospital visitation or health insurance coverage simply because the people they love are of the same sex—nor am I willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount.”
#7 Obama’s response when asked what his definition of sin is: “Being out of alignment with my values.”
#8 “If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.”
#9 “This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell.”
#10 “I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell. I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity. That’s just not part of my religious makeup.”
#11 “I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.”
#12 “I’ve said this before, and I know this raises questions in the minds of some evangelicals. I do not believe that my mother, who never formally embraced Christianity as far as I know … I do not believe she went to hell.”
#13 “Those opposed to abortion cannot simply invoke God’s will–they have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths.”
#14 On his support for civil unions for gay couples: “If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount.”
#15 “You got into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
#16 “In our household, the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology”
#17 “On Easter or Christmas Day, my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites.”
#18 “we have Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, and their own path to grace is one that we have to revere and respect as much as our own”
#19 “All of us have a responsibility to work for the day when the mothers of Israelis and Palestinians can see their children grow up without fear; when the Holy Land of the three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be; when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra — (applause) — as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them, joined in prayer. (Applause.)”
#20 “I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.”
About the author: Michael T. Snyder is a former Washington D.C. attorney who now publishes The Truth. His new thriller entitled “The Beginning Of The End” is now available on Amazon.com.
NOTE: The number for each item was also a hotlink ... (show quote)


You must be very sad that the links did not appear. It makes it that much harder for those of us who are deeply skeptical of this kind of stuff to track this down. Just because the links that you claim are there did not appear, you can always link us to other source material so that we can actually verify the truth of your claims. maybe that would be too much trouble.

But when you start with the Washington Times, you are deeply into nut bag conspiracy land. Why don't you throw in some stuff from Brietbart and World Net Daily--then you could have the perfect trifecta of malignant stupidity.

But the larger point is--why should you care? I'll bet you are one of many from the right wing bubble that claim to love the Constitution but have never read it. Why don't you start with the Establishment Clause (its not hard to find). Then come back and justify your anti Obama/Muslim rant, that somehow being a Muslim disqualifies anyone from being President. Constitution and free elections be damned!

Or just stay in the bubble, were you and your fellow travelers can hoot and snort at each other about how much you hate Obama--and no one will ever disagree with you.

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Dec 10, 2013 23:59:12   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Larrymbst wrote:
Criticize obama all you want. Talk about his world view economics etc but his religion? When they berated him for being a Christian it was because they didn't like the Rev. Was he a Muslim then or a misguided Christian? Yes it is racist to accuse him of not being an AMERICAN because he's not like us.There is absolutely no proof.Why are you insisting on calling him an African? Why do you insist that he is a Muslim? By the way there are many far more decent Muslims than there are haters who just can't stand this President.Our President!!!!
Criticize obama all you want. Talk about his world... (show quote)


if the hood fits, wear it.

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Dec 11, 2013 01:21:39   #
JBTaylor Loc: In hiding again
 
Bazbo wrote:
OK--how about if we start with the Ku Klux Klan? After all, their symbol is a cross. Then we could go on to the Christians who bomb abortion clinics, and murder doctors performing a perfectly legal medical service. Then there is Russia, predominantly an Orthodox Christian nation that routinely jails political dissidents. All of the brutal central and South American dictatorships that were or are Roman Catholic. Or the troubles in Northern ireland when different types of Christians were quite busy killing each other. The European Axis powers were Christian nations---boy talk about killing--those guys take the prize. If 70 years ago is too far back for you to consider modern, we can look at the rise of the neo-Nazis in Germany, italy and Greece today.

i could go on and on--but I trust you get my point. Islam is not alone among the religions that justify killing to advance a political agenda.
OK--how about if we start with the Ku Klux Klan? A... (show quote)


For the most part, you did not answer my question. Citing the Klu Klux Klan as Christian because they used the cross? What Christian tradition is burning crosses? The KKK was a political terrorist organization. Do you really expect us to believe that Russia jailing political dissidents is motivated by Orthodox Christianity? Nearly every example you provide has nothing to with Christianity other than to have a significant part of the population nominally identify themselves as Christian. The northern Ireland war was a political dispute. How is the rise of neoNazis in Germany, Italy, and Greece related at all to Christianity? By your logic if an atheist in one of these "Christian" country went crazy and set off a bomb at a soccer match and killed hundreds of people it would a case of Christian violence because of where he lives.

The most legitimate point you have concerns the killing of late term abortionists and bombing of abortion clinics. Everything else you cited is relatively bogus.

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Dec 11, 2013 06:36:19   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
Bazbo wrote:
"Let's not forget the damage that was done on 9/11: over 3,000 innocent lives and millions in property."

Right. And who was in charge on 9/11? Or are you one of the citizens in the right wing bubble that have managed to delude yourself that Bush took office on 9/12? Can you imagine the right wing outrage if Obama had been sitting in the Oval on 9/11? Unfair question--maybe you can't.



What a load of crap. What difference does it make who was in charge? The 9/11 attack was years in planning and if you believe the experts it was started by Clintons lack of response to numerous attacks in the Middle East.

You clowns on the right need everything to be about you. The 9/11 attack had nothing to do with a political party. It had everything to do with the fatwa issued by radical Muslims. They want our way of life erased.

If we use your logic, let's blame Bush for Pearl Harbor also.

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Dec 11, 2013 09:24:29   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
JBTaylor wrote:
What a silly question!

Name some Christians that kill and preach killing in the present. I would ask you to name a Christian country that imprisons people of another religion for merely practicing it or peacefully sharing it with others as Iran and other Muslim countries do to Christians but I'm not aware of any Christian countries period.

It has already been agreed that much killing in the name of religion is really political in nature. Unless communism is considered a religion there's been a lot of killing without religion as an excuse.

There may be millions of Muslims that mean others no harm but there is a large number that are willing to kill and die for their religion. It's in the news nearly every day. Again, a lot of killing in the name of religion is political by nature but how many people are willing to kill themselves along with others for a mere political cause. How many Christian suicide bombers have attacked in the last 20 years? That seems to be a Muslim phenomena.

Which followers of their respective religions is a bigger threat to the lives and health of people around the world today?
What a silly question! br br Name some Christians... (show quote)



I point out that we have 'religious' leaders traveling to South America (one country specifically, but I forget which) and to Moscow to get those countries to pass laws to execute--yes, execute--gays. AND, if you know someone is gay and you don't turn them in, it's a prison sentence for you.

Some Christianity!

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Dec 11, 2013 09:33:20   #
BlowingBubbles Loc: Texas
 
Twardlow wrote:
I point out that we have 'religious' leaders traveling to South America (one country specifically, but I forget which) and to Moscow to get those countries to pass laws to execute--yes, execute--gays. AND, if you know someone is gay and you don't turn them in, it's a prison sentence for you.

Some Christianity!


List the source for this information Tardlow. I want to read it. Sounds like a crock to me.

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Dec 11, 2013 09:40:24   #
JBTaylor Loc: In hiding again
 
Twardlow wrote:
I point out that we have 'religious' leaders traveling to South America (one country specifically, but I forget which) and to Moscow to get those countries to pass laws to execute--yes, execute--gays. AND, if you know someone is gay and you don't turn them in, it's a prison sentence for you.

Some Christianity!


PROVE IT!!! Sounds like a LIE from the SPLC.

This sounds very similar to a story that a liberal friend of mine posted on Facebook and then retracted. Why did he issue a retraction? He is an honest man and after looking into it, he found that it wasn't true. He made the mistake of believing a LIE told by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

I presume that you fell for the same lie because it matched your prejudices. Why don't you fact check that and get back to us.

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Dec 11, 2013 10:19:15   #
chrisscholbe Loc: Kansas City, MO
 
Gitzo wrote:
Your rant is pretty stupid also, stupid! (looks like something from a teen age "drop out" )


This is such a STUPID topic to even be discussing.

How can you NOT think it's ridiculously funny.

Next thing you know, someone will post how many times he talks about dogs instead of cats......OMG....Now there would be something to argue over.....LOL

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