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Nov 15, 2013 13:28:13   #
Wall-E Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
Dave Johnson wrote:
For years the various graphics industries have relied on Apple products as their standard. Calibration would still be advised though I'm not sure you need a third party devise to do it.


Trying to do it yourself is a lesson in frustration.
I tried adjusting against a standard print.
Spent HOURS.
I made it SO much worse.
My Spyder 2 took less than an hour, and it turned out GREAT.
I now run it every couple of weeks.

And as to TV's.
The out-of-box settings are CRAP. The brightness and contrast are turned WAY up so they can be seen in the very bright environment of stores.

When I buy my next Spyder, I'll spend the extra to be able to calibrate my TV.

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Nov 15, 2013 13:44:40   #
steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA
 
I don't know about that. I have a Samsung multi-media monitor 32 inch lcd Tv, that except for about 1/2 stop in brightness is spot on.

I think even the 1/2 stop, is due to the Tv being HD. So when I go to print, I give it a + 10 brightness jump in Photoshop, and that takes care of that.

I don't want to decrease the Tv brightness, and have to fool with resetting it all the time. Its much easier just to compensate. :thumbup:

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Nov 15, 2013 14:04:19   #
RolandComfort Loc: Saint Louis
 
Hi Dave. I don't know how my reply ended up responding to your comment. I was responding to Up-2-it, who said If it is brand new out of the box there should be instructions either in the box or on a CD as to making the adjustments needed. Actually, the more I read other comments, her problem may well lie in converting Adobe RGB to sRGB, both in Photoshop and/or in her printer. I don't use a printer, as everything I do is for the internet, however the sRGB conversion in Photoshop definitely lightens exposure and washes out color. But, back to 3rd party calibration equipment, the whole point of calibrating is to match your monitor to finite, mathematical reference points that are universal. If you adjust your screen by sight, then you are relying on what you see not what the rest of the world sees, not to mention the fact that room paint, lighting, or even the color of your shirt can alter the way you see your screen. Its computer stuff, 0's and 1's. Only 0's and 1's can communicate accurately with other 0's and 1's.

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Nov 15, 2013 14:37:59   #
Wall-E Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
RolandComfort wrote:
Hi Dave. I don't know how my reply ended up responding to your comment. I was responding to Up-2-it, who said If it is brand new out of the box there should be instructions either in the box or on a CD as to making the adjustments needed. Actually, the more I read other comments, her problem may well lie in converting Adobe RGB to sRGB, both in Photoshop and/or in her printer. I don't use a printer, as everything I do is for the internet, however the sRGB conversion in Photoshop definitely lightens exposure and washes out color. But, back to 3rd party calibration equipment, the whole point of calibrating is to match your monitor to finite, mathematical reference points that are universal. If you adjust your screen by sight, then you are relying on what you see not what the rest of the world sees, not to mention the fact that room paint, lighting, or even the color of your shirt can alter the way you see your screen. Its computer stuff, 0's and 1's. Only 0's and 1's can communicate accurately with other 0's and 1's.
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Roland;

I think you may be on to something.

MaggieMay;

Are you shooting and editing in AdobeRGB (aRGB)?

When you convert to JPEG, it then moves to sRGB, which has a definite effect on the image.

Unless you are doing some incredibly color sensitive work, and KNOW that whoever is making your prints can accept/use aRGB, then use sRGB. For your ENTIRE workflow. From capture to print.

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Nov 15, 2013 15:21:07   #
Raleigh Loc: Reside in Olympia WA
 
Well this may stir some thoughts.
All that has been said about "stray" light on the screen is valid.
I use a Spyder 4 to calibrate my screen and am very happy with the resulting correction. Also, I calibrate weekly.
You may need to calibrate your printer, or change your ink or try a different paper or change your brand of wine or drink more or less wine.

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Nov 15, 2013 15:25:04   #
Wall-E Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
If you're really serious about editing, then you probably want to take a look at the Wacom Cintiq. A monitor with built in touch screen/pen tablet.
http://www.wacom.com/en/us/creative/cintiq-13-hd
http://www.wacom.com/en/us/creative/cintiq-22-hd
http://www.wacom.com/en/us/creative/cintiq-24-hd

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Nov 15, 2013 17:05:39   #
mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois
 
Dave Johnson wrote:
I didn't say it would be easy, I said that I don't know if a third party devise is necessary. For all I know Apple has its own calibration.


ALL monitors require calibration! Further, the calibration drifts with time, and recalibration is needed at least monthly.

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Nov 15, 2013 17:06:03   #
Dave Johnson Loc: Grand Rapids, Michigan
 
RolandComfort wrote:
Hi Dave. I don't know how my reply ended up responding to your comment. I was responding to Up-2-it, who said If it is brand new out of the box there should be instructions either in the box or on a CD as to making the adjustments needed. Actually, the more I read other comments, her problem may well lie in converting Adobe RGB to sRGB, both in Photoshop and/or in her printer. I don't use a printer, as everything I do is for the internet, however the sRGB conversion in Photoshop definitely lightens exposure and washes out color. But, back to 3rd party calibration equipment, the whole point of calibrating is to match your monitor to finite, mathematical reference points that are universal. If you adjust your screen by sight, then you are relying on what you see not what the rest of the world sees, not to mention the fact that room paint, lighting, or even the color of your shirt can alter the way you see your screen. Its computer stuff, 0's and 1's. Only 0's and 1's can communicate accurately with other 0's and 1's.
Hi Dave. I don't know how my reply ended up respo... (show quote)


Hey Roland, I re-read my reply and it does sound a bit defensive doesn't it. Part of the problem with written responses is that inflection is lost. I took no offence at any thing written hear.

In truth I know very little about calibration devises. It does sound like a more precise way of calibrating.

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Nov 15, 2013 19:41:35   #
nikonwaddy
 
anotherview wrote:
Your text suggests you use a color calibration device. If so, then it should, if used properly, true the monitor colors.

I use the Sypder3 device, and it trues colors nicely. Only please note that you may have to adjust manually both the brightness and contrast.

Non-intuitively, if a print looks too dark, then you have to lower the monitor's brightness. Consider that if the monitor brightness lowers, then you'll have to brighten the onscreen image. This brightened image will then print brighter.

Note that you'll have to do one or more test prints to match the print's brightness to the monitor's brightness. The monitor should have a separate control for adjusting its brightness. Adjust the brightness incrementally until a print looks similar in brightness to the image onscreen.

At the same time, please bear in mind the monitor uses back-lighting to illuminate a monitor image. A machine under control of an algorithm presents the image within a color space used for monitors. Hence, a kind of trueness of color results.

Differently, a print uses reflective lighting to illuminate it for our eyes. This fact means the reflected light quality will depend on its source. For example, if your studio walls have a yellow coloration, then the light reflecting from this source will carry a yellow colorcast that will fall on your print. Light picks up the color from the surface it strikes and carries this color as the light reflects off the surface. The light reflecting off the print will have the contaminating yellow colorcast in it, thus affecting how your eyes record this light reflected off the print.

But our perception will adjust itself within two or three seconds to render the print coloration in our consciousness close to what our experience believes the coloration should look like in order for it to appear with true coloration. The same process happens when our eyes record color in a room lit by tungsten light which has a Kelvin around 3600. Tungsten lighting has an orange color to it. Our perception filters this orange light to use whites in the scene to bring the other colors into a trueness that our consciousness expects.

As a result, you should have a studio with wall surfaces painted a neutral white. Lights illuminating the studio should fall in the Kelvin range for mid-day light -- between 5000 and 5500 Kelvin. These conditions provide a known reference. You can buy CFL lights with this Kelvin temperature for controlled lighting conditions.

This is a big subject, and so I’ve not covered it all. Consider, though, that experienced photographers who show their printed images will print them for the lighting conditions where the prints will hang. A knowledge person associated with the place that shows your prints can give you the Kelvin temperature of the light sources used there.

Good luck.
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anotherview, thanks for your insightful input on this subject. I am going to ask a few questions and hope I don't impose. Basic's first. I shoot Nikon D800 FX, capture in both JPEG and RAW (NEF), edit in mostly PSE, now 12, either RAW or JPEG and edit on a ASUS PA246Q IPS 1920X1200 monitor and print to a Canon PRO 9000 MK II inkjet. My monitor allows me to view in Adobe RGB or sRGB or its standard factory presets. My question is which setting I should edit in. I of course shoot sRGB in my Nikon D800, JPEG and RAW. The real confusion here is that that I also have a datacolor Spyder4 calibrator which seems to set it's basic calibration to what ever color mode I am in..and mostly the prints from that are not so cool. I am fully aware of brightness and contrast issues between monitor and printer and can control that, but basic color control differences are a problem. It's to the point that now I am considering abandoning print/hard-copy portfolios and going to digital. Any insight you might have would be greatly appreciate..and thanks for your time.

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Nov 18, 2013 12:30:27   #
Wall-E Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
nikonwaddy wrote:
anotherview, thanks for your insightful input on this subject. I am going to ask a few questions and hope I don't impose. Basic's first. I shoot Nikon D800 FX, capture in both JPEG and RAW (NEF), edit in mostly PSE, now 12, either RAW or JPEG and edit on a ASUS PA246Q IPS 1920X1200 monitor and print to a Canon PRO 9000 MK II inkjet. My monitor allows me to view in Adobe RGB or sRGB or its standard factory presets. My question is which setting I should edit in. I of course shoot sRGB in my Nikon D800, JPEG and RAW. The real confusion here is that that I also have a datacolor Spyder4 calibrator which seems to set it's basic calibration to what ever color mode I am in..and mostly the prints from that are not so cool. I am fully aware of brightness and contrast issues between monitor and printer and can control that, but basic color control differences are a problem. It's to the point that now I am considering abandoning print/hard-copy portfolios and going to digital. Any insight you might have would be greatly appreciate..and thanks for your time.
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Pick a colorspace. Only one.
If you shoot in sRGB, edit in sRGB.
If you shoot in aRGB, then edit in aRGB.

Have you considered a printer profiler?
Spyder Print or Colormunki Photo.
Some local shops rent them.

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Nov 20, 2013 09:07:36   #
nikonwaddy
 
Wall-E wrote:
Pick a colorspace. Only one.
If you shoot in sRGB, edit in sRGB.
If you shoot in aRGB, then edit in aRGB.

Have you considered a printer profiler?
Spyder Print or Colormunki Photo.
Some local shops rent them.


Thanks Wall-E. I will investigate the printer profiler. I was hoping my Spyder4 Pro was to take care of all my issues....guess not.

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