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Oct 23, 2013 15:49:10   #
kiddrich
 
For events you will do a better job with telephoto lenses....prime lenses gives you no/little room to work with....I have 50mm but I also carry 3 or 4 cameras....I don't have to switch lenses etc....I don't use that steady light often but it will work fine for you. I shoot straight from the camera to publication....learn to do that and ditch the software. It is not that hard at all..................

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Oct 23, 2013 15:51:09   #
Wall-E Loc: Phoenix, AZ
 
dpullum wrote:
WALLE Said: "I have no idea what was trying to be said here."

WallE, surly you had some idea what I was suggesting rather than NO idea!! Surly, as an "Event Photographer" you have some idea.

Multi flashes: "you could have 6 g=20 hanging around your neck and have even light of a spot G#=120 flash... or better yet have two friends stand near the subjects and you get the light only spreading by 1/sq in one direction... where as, flashes at the camera suffer inverse sq (1/sq) in both directions.
WALL-E You should know about the 1/SQ LAW. But what you may not know is:

1)FLASHES ARE ADDITIVE IF brianae515 carried several low power flashes she can distribut them near the subject... the G#s are additive. Several flashes give more even light than one high power flash.


There is a lot of technical information out there... the more you read the more your will know.
brianae515 excluded, she is new.
WALLE Said: "I have no idea what was trying t... (show quote)


I *DO* have years of experience. I don't understand some of the short-cut acronyms that you've used. And if I can't figure out what your saying, how can a newbie?

What is "6 g=20"?
Are you trying to say "6 flash units with a guide number of 20"????

And that if you had that then the additive guide number would be 120?

Way too complicated for this discussion.

And to suggest having lighting 2 assistants at an event like she had is beyond understanding.

That was quite the slam to brinae515 at the bottom of your post.

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Oct 23, 2013 16:24:04   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
6 flashes with G# of 20 add.

No it was not a slam at Brinae515 nor should she interper it as such... .... I would not expect a person new to understand G#s nor inverse sq law. Inverse sq confuses many let alone two way inverse sq where the flash spreads out going to and then returning to camera.

you could have simply asked "please elaborate" or sent a PM and asked "huh"

Wasted too much time... out of here... got a shoot early evening... hate to take that big bag of Sony with Minolta heavy ( I think cast Iron) lenses!! Much prefer light weight 24/7.

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Oct 23, 2013 16:54:52   #
kiddrich
 
By the way I should have stated that your photo is fine...what you captured was emotion and framed fine....light or lack of was the problem...no big deal it could be published as a news photo.............most people have no idea how to photograph an event outdoors...let alone at night...........

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Oct 23, 2013 19:39:01   #
imagesintime Loc: small town, mid-America
 
brianae515 wrote:
I have a Canon 60D and an 18-135mm lens. I also bought a flash for it but it was a cheaper one from EBay. I did an event last night that was outside but late evening so it was basically dark. I could not get it to focus on anything and my flash wasn't helping at all. I ended up taking the external flash off and just using the built in flash. It helped a little but I missed some shots and feel horrible. Please point me in the right direction of a better lens for low light and maybe some tips for shooting at night. Keep in mind, in this event people are constantly moving, running, etc. Thanks!
I have a Canon 60D and an 18-135mm lens. I also bo... (show quote)


You have gotten lots of information, some of it helpful. Here is the guy who can teach you everything you need to know about using your strobe. http://www.strobist.blogspot.com/

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Oct 23, 2013 20:21:08   #
stevebein
 
Now. I understand, most of us know it as the inverse square law. If you had said that instead of 1/s

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Oct 23, 2013 20:21:13   #
stevebein
 
Now. I understand, most of us know it as the inverse square law. If you had said that instead of 1/sq in, then it would have been clear to us who are not familiar with your notations.

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Oct 23, 2013 20:35:21   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
brianae515 wrote:
Thanks for understanding the circumstances! It definitely wasn't the best conditions FredB lol


Your shoot wasn't a total loss. That shot captures the emotion of the moment completely. (the comment is about the couple and child embracing)

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Oct 23, 2013 23:49:50   #
brianae515 Loc: North Carolina
 
I've gotten PLENTY of info to go over now lol. Thanks everyone!

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Oct 24, 2013 01:06:25   #
SANDYB Loc: HOLDEN BEACH, NC
 
kiddrich wrote:
By the way I should have stated that your photo is fine...what you captured was emotion and framed fine....light or lack of was the problem...no big deal it could be published as a news photo.............most people have no idea how to photograph an event outdoors...let alone at night...........


Thank you for your complimentary statements. As a new photographer trying out her wings in new venues, Briane515 was devastated by the outcome of this event, even though her customers were very satisfied with her work. I believe this only proves that she is a real professional photographer in the making because she shows a real passion for her work. She is very talented and she takes your professional remarks and criticism seriously. She will learn much from this experience and become an even better photographer then the professional she already is!!!! How do I know????? I'm her Mom!!!!!!

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Oct 24, 2013 13:05:21   #
Bill Emmett Loc: Bow, New Hampshire
 
Hello Brianae, and all, Although I have not read the 4 pages of posts, if what I say now has already been thrashed, sorry. Why not rent some equipment. You can rent a lens far less than purchasing it. I suggest something with 2.8 70-200mm, and some Canon strobes. Set up the system using some friends doing what the "real" people would do. Then once the situation is simulated successfully move forward from there. You may also want to look into some battery operated diode type lights on stationary mounts. Also, take a look at several Canon "Fast prime lenses" You may want to look at the Canon EF 85mm f1.2L II USM. You will need to shoot using a tripod, since your shutter speed may be slower than normal, but fast enough to catch the action. I as well as everyone so far has said it will be a tough assignment with the limitations you have outlined. Oh, yes, the next time you do this project arrive early, and talk with the other photographers there, and note their set up.

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Oct 24, 2013 13:14:32   #
brianae515 Loc: North Carolina
 
Bill Emmett wrote:
Hello Brianae, and all, Although I have not read the 4 pages of posts, if what I say now has already been thrashed, sorry. Why not rent some equipment. You can rent a lens far less than purchasing it. I suggest something with 2.8 70-200mm, and some Canon strobes. Set up the system using some friends doing what the "real" people would do. Then once the situation is simulated successfully move forward from there. You may also want to look into some battery operated diode type lights on stationary mounts. Also, take a look at several Canon "Fast prime lenses" You may want to look at the Canon EF 85mm f1.2L II USM. You will need to shoot using a tripod, since your shutter speed may be slower than normal, but fast enough to catch the action. I as well as everyone so far has said it will be a tough assignment with the limitations you have outlined. Oh, yes, the next time you do this project arrive early, and talk with the other photographers there, and note their set up.
Hello Brianae, and all, Although I have not read ... (show quote)


Thanks for the suggestions. A tripod would be really hard to use in this situation so that makes it a little harder. I did arrive early and I saw some of the other photographers set ups but honestly, most people had their point and shoot cameras or cell phones to take pictures for their friends and family. My sister actually took my husbands homecoming pictures for me one year using my Nikon Coolpix point and shoot in the dark and got great pictures! Again, thanks for the suggestions :)

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Oct 24, 2013 18:34:36   #
kiddrich
 
I do not know what type of photography you are going after and all of the responses will help you with general photography for the most part. Event (we call it news) photography is a different animal. You/we are usually alone with what we HOPE is the right lenses, lighting etc. You took on a tough job. News photos go from the camera to the wire. Most news org. receive the photo/photos within 10 minutes of being taken. No touch up, software, etc.. I can see you are on the right track.....a bad photo of a good/big/breaking story is better than no photo. EVERY photo has value to someone. If THEY like it...great. I hate a lot of the photos I take...someone can ALWAYS find a problem. Work with what you have and your surroundings and DON'T ever look back. You will find your way.......

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Oct 24, 2013 19:47:28   #
brianae515 Loc: North Carolina
 
Kiddrich, thank you so much! I have went over all of the comments and info from everyone several times but you seem to understand the situation I was in a little better. I'm going to try some new equipment soon, practice, etc. to ensure I can capture those precious moments for families reuniting with their loved ones. Thanks again!

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Oct 26, 2013 01:23:05   #
Larrie Loc: NE Ohio
 
brianae515 wrote:
I have a Canon 60D and an 18-135mm lens. I also bought a flash for it but it was a cheaper one from EBay. I did an event last night that was outside but late evening so it was basically dark. I could not get it to focus on anything and my flash wasn't helping at all. I ended up taking the external flash off and just using the built in flash. It helped a little but I missed some shots and feel horrible. Please point me in the right direction of a better lens for low light and maybe some tips for shooting at night. Keep in mind, in this event people are constantly moving, running, etc. Thanks!
I have a Canon 60D and an 18-135mm lens. I also bo... (show quote)

This may have been covered already but I'm not going to read through four pages of bad guesses. You didn't mention which flash you were using but most through the cameras menu can be set up to provide an AF assist preflash. Otherwise follow the faster lens advice

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