UK gun control working well.
Oct 8, 2013 05:33:18 #
Budnjax wrote:
yes....U.K. gun control is working well....for cri... (show quote)
This is typical misdirection.
Not only is violent crime categorised differently, there are also significant differences in reporting, specifically proportion of crime reported ( much lower in the US where a greater percentage of people mistrust law enforcement for a variety of reasons). The UK reporting culture is much higher than in the US.
Which is why most experts use homicide rates as the truest indicator of violent crime. US comes out at around 4.5 homicides per 100,000. UK between 1.2 and 1.5. Yes there was a massacre in Dunblane, Scotland many years ago. How many in America since?
Of all the democracies with gun control the UK is amongst the least safe.
Oct 8, 2013 06:11:17 #
farmerjim wrote:
This is only for UK members really but I just want... (show quote)
As Farmerjim clearly states, his comments are for UK members only although it reaches everyone to carry his point. Congratulations, if you feel happy living in UK. I love to visit your country every time I have the opportunity however, I have that constant fear of being massacred by one of those crazy bombers leaving there which has happened quite a bit of times. Here, I don't feel that constant fear in spite of having some crazies shooting people. I feel happy leaving in the US in spite of these crazies because at least I can defend myself and not be at the mercy of policemen that you have that many do not carry weapons although things have changed and e can see some with weapons nowadays. Again, happy to see that you are happy where you live and I hope you feel the same for me and the rest of us feeling the same way in our beautiful USA.
Oct 8, 2013 06:35:46 #
farmerjim wrote:
Statistics can be misleading Bunjax, The FBI def... (show quote)
Hahahaha....that's the way to do it...post stats...then when you are proven wrong by stats...just claim that the stats cannot be trusted!
Hahahah.....
Yeah...gun control is working in the UK...
Quote:
U.K. Gun Curbs Mean More Violence Yet Fewer Deaths Than in U.S.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-24/u-k-gun-curbs-mean-more-violence-yet-fewer-deaths-than-in-u-s-.html
Oct 8, 2013 07:26:24 #
No amount of laws will stop the occasional issolated incident. Here in the UK they are normally related to organised crime. One scumbag killing another. Yes we do get the occasional nutter but when that happens it gets into the national press and is not considred an everyday occurance. Sometimes you have to take kids toys away from them for their own good.
Oct 8, 2013 08:48:57 #
farmerjim wrote:
Well Gorgehike, obviously I can't comment on the gun control laws in your country and neither would be right for me to do so, that's for you and your fellow citizens to sort out. But over the last 100 years or so we've managed to achieve a sensible gun owning culture with those that need them or want them being able to acquire them if they are deemed worthy.
There's always the odd nutter who's managed to get a gun permit then goes bananas but generally, it works.
There's always the odd nutter who's managed to get a gun permit then goes bananas but generally, it works.
"always the old nutter" ??? "it works" ???
You are an idiot.
Tell that drivel to the thousands of people who have died needlessly from guns.
Also compare the number of people killed by guns in the USA and the UK and Japan.
Oct 8, 2013 09:11:02 #
richard-sports wrote:
"always the old nutter" ??? "it works" ???
You are an idiot.
Tell that drivel to the thousands of people who have died needlessly from guns.
Also compare the number of people killed by guns in the USA and the UK and Japan.
You are an idiot.
Tell that drivel to the thousands of people who have died needlessly from guns.
Also compare the number of people killed by guns in the USA and the UK and Japan.
USA has some unique issues in a few major cities, and oddly enough those cities have the strictest gun control laws in the nation.
I think a more interesting comparison to make would be the USA total murder rate (not just guns) outside of Chicago, DC, Detroit, NYC, LA and Houston with Japan and UK.
Oct 8, 2013 09:29:14 #
Me thinks you may have missed the point of the original report. One might conclude that guns were not so much the issue as the ability to get weapons that would have killed everyone in the school.
gorgehiker wrote:
You are fortunate to live in a country where common sense has determined the gun laws instead of a country where the NRA and gun manufacturers rule!
Oct 8, 2013 09:42:36 #
As a Brit living in the US, I feel qualified to join this debate. I think 'gun control' is a farce. There are literally *hundreds* of gun control laws on the books, and look how much good they do... Obama goes on about the evils of guns, but he and his family have lifetime protection from one of the best armed services in the World, the Secret Service. He doesn't need to be able to defend himself. Course, the SAS would be better, but that's a given!
It is true that the cities in the US with the strictest gun control laws have the highest murder rates, plus muggings, rapes, etc. The gun control advocates conveniently ignore that statistic.
Gun-free zones are the product of a deranged mind... YOu are telling the nutters that here is a place you can go on the rampage with no fear of retribution until help can be summoned from afar.
After 9/11, the airline pilots asked for permission to carry guns on their planes, but were turned down because it was "too dangerous". I think that, if 9/11 taught us *anything*, it is that the person in control of an aircraft does not need a gun to commit horrendous death and destruction.
When Texas became a "shall-issue" state (for the Brits, that means you can apply for a permit to carry a concealed weapon and the state has to have a reason to deny you), crimes against the person - rape, muggings, etc. - went down by about 80% overnight. It is common sense that you need a bit more courage - or a bit less sense - to accost someone in the street, when there is a fair chance that they will pull out a .45 or a .357 and fight back.
I don't expect this to change anyone's mind. Gun control is joining religion, abortion and sports teams as one of those subjects which people refuse to consider with an open mind.
Be safe, all...
It is true that the cities in the US with the strictest gun control laws have the highest murder rates, plus muggings, rapes, etc. The gun control advocates conveniently ignore that statistic.
Gun-free zones are the product of a deranged mind... YOu are telling the nutters that here is a place you can go on the rampage with no fear of retribution until help can be summoned from afar.
After 9/11, the airline pilots asked for permission to carry guns on their planes, but were turned down because it was "too dangerous". I think that, if 9/11 taught us *anything*, it is that the person in control of an aircraft does not need a gun to commit horrendous death and destruction.
When Texas became a "shall-issue" state (for the Brits, that means you can apply for a permit to carry a concealed weapon and the state has to have a reason to deny you), crimes against the person - rape, muggings, etc. - went down by about 80% overnight. It is common sense that you need a bit more courage - or a bit less sense - to accost someone in the street, when there is a fair chance that they will pull out a .45 or a .357 and fight back.
I don't expect this to change anyone's mind. Gun control is joining religion, abortion and sports teams as one of those subjects which people refuse to consider with an open mind.
Be safe, all...
Oct 8, 2013 11:01:12 #
steve03 wrote:
There is no nice way to die a violent death. But that doesn't mean we just let anybody have whatever means they need to create mayhem. If thousands of people were being hacked to death with cleavers wouldn't you want them outlawed?
But thousands of people are NOT being "hacked to death with cleavers". You cannot kill multiple people with a cleaver from 40 feet away in 20 seconds.
Oct 8, 2013 12:15:13 #
Tell this to the people of Rwanda..granted it didn't happen in 20 seconds...they got to watch there families get hacked to death over a period of time
Jim_In_Plymouth wrote:
But thousands of people are NOT being "hacked to death with cleavers". You cannot kill multiple people with a cleaver from 40 feet away in 20 seconds.
Oct 8, 2013 12:31:41 #
bvm
Loc: Glendale, Arizona
Do you think the jihadist population in Britain don't have guns?
Do you think the British underworld doesn't have guns?
Is it true, the bobbies now carry guns?
What makes you so sure the IRA doesn't have guns?
Where will the British get weaponry the next time there's a problem with their neighbors ( or anyone else for that matter )?
Why do the Royals have armed guards?
Can't you just talk to the criminal?
Unrealistic, yes, that's why we talked the British out of the 13 colonies.
Do you think the British underworld doesn't have guns?
Is it true, the bobbies now carry guns?
What makes you so sure the IRA doesn't have guns?
Where will the British get weaponry the next time there's a problem with their neighbors ( or anyone else for that matter )?
Why do the Royals have armed guards?
Can't you just talk to the criminal?
Unrealistic, yes, that's why we talked the British out of the 13 colonies.
Oct 8, 2013 13:25:31 #
gorgehiker wrote:
You are fortunate to live in a country where common sense has determined the gun laws instead of a country where the NRA and gun manufacturers rule!
Yea, pipe-bombs and knives are not going to kill anyone.
Oct 8, 2013 13:58:15 #
TucsonCoyote wrote:
I absolutely agree ! It's so much more civilized to get killed with a pipe bomb or a meat cleaver ! :roll: 8-)
Whoops...there went lunch on the screen! :thumbup: :thumbup:
Oct 8, 2013 13:59:35 #
steve03 wrote:
There is no nice way to die a violent death. But that doesn't mean we just let anybody have whatever means they need to create mayhem. If thousands of people were being hacked to death with cleavers wouldn't you want them outlawed?
ummm.....no, The weapon is not the problem. The person using it is.
Oct 8, 2013 14:00:06 #
steve03 wrote:
There is no nice way to die a violent death. But that doesn't mean we just let anybody have whatever means they need to create mayhem. If thousands of people were being hacked to death with cleavers wouldn't you want them outlawed?
Also, Alcohol is a leading cause of death....has that been outlawed yet?
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