So, How Hard Would It Be?
Sep 24, 2013 16:45:42 #
jerryc41 wrote:
Ultimately, I think we'll just have to deal with this the way it is. If people feel the need to make mean comments, then that's what they'll do.
There is a difference between mean comments and constructive criticism. I welcome the latter, however I understand the the right of those posting in the gallery not to have to endure any constructive criticism whatsoever, and I intend to respect their wishes.
Sep 24, 2013 16:50:17 #
dmeyer2m wrote:
But isn't that what the point of having two catagories--Photo Gallery and Photo Analysis? If you post a picture and don't get any "Likes", wouldn't that send a message? We still have the option of putting a request for C&C in a photo post, as well.
I like this idea Dmeyer. You just made the comment I was going to make. If you are getting lots of views, but no likes, you might consider posting your photo in the analysis section if it is your goal to improve. If you just want to have fun sharing things that you've seen and photographed, then you can stick to the gallery and not worry if anyone likes it or not.
Sep 24, 2013 16:57:56 #
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Sep 24, 2013 18:32:52 #
RmcBUDDY wrote:
I agree with Singing Swan. Me personally, when I ... (show quote)
There are many kinds of photographers, the ones that take snapshots and those that try to be photographers. I find that when a photo is panned, many do not look at the photo per say. there was a photo on this site of a bird catching a grasshopper. the lighting was to bright, it was not as sharp as could be, but this was a fast acting situation and for what the photographer had to work with, the photo was a superb one. No one panned the photo as they realized that the photographer could not ask the bird to hold that pose. We come in all sizes of sophistication as far as photography goes. We need to ask, what was the intent of the photographer? What are their skill level? When I comment I try to put myself in their shoes, and sometimes a little encouragement goes a long way.
Sep 24, 2013 18:45:42 #
[quote=Meives]
Sounds like a downright personal attack with that comment--though the only grandchild I've posted was in order to ask for help with portraiture.
Nothing in this post even comes close to denying anyone the right to post comments.
And I think it deserves to be mentioned that many of the posts of "dogs, cats, or grandchildren" which you deem unworthy of being shared may, in fact, educate or inspire other viewers in ways you cannot imagine.
I don't think I'm alone in saying that every photo I view has elements that I may or may not like and the very process of analysis leads me to consciously emulate or avoid those things in my own work--be it composition, lighting, a tell-tale lack of a polarizing filter that might have blocked out glare or color fade, an angle of perspective, etc.
Sometimes, just realizing the simple joy a contributor gets in sharing his/her photo reminds me why I keep investing in equipment and how far I've come since my first point-n-shoot camera. And all along the way there have people who told me 'great job' when, looking back, those photos weren't at all technically great. Still aren't. But show me a photographer who can please all of the people all of the time.
The only(?) value to UHH certainly IS to help people improve, but don't presume to think yours is the only way to help that process happen. As for "only", you kinda missed the element of friendship. Unless you have x-ray vision, you have no way of knowing how many Personal Messages are exchanged wherein members help each other out.
dmeyer2m wrote:
I believe that the only value there is to the UHH is that it is for people that want to improve. If you want to post snapshots of your dog, cat, or grand children it would be better in other sites. I hope this stays for as is. I will post comments weather asked for or not. David
Sounds like a downright personal attack with that comment--though the only grandchild I've posted was in order to ask for help with portraiture.
Nothing in this post even comes close to denying anyone the right to post comments.
And I think it deserves to be mentioned that many of the posts of "dogs, cats, or grandchildren" which you deem unworthy of being shared may, in fact, educate or inspire other viewers in ways you cannot imagine.
I don't think I'm alone in saying that every photo I view has elements that I may or may not like and the very process of analysis leads me to consciously emulate or avoid those things in my own work--be it composition, lighting, a tell-tale lack of a polarizing filter that might have blocked out glare or color fade, an angle of perspective, etc.
Sometimes, just realizing the simple joy a contributor gets in sharing his/her photo reminds me why I keep investing in equipment and how far I've come since my first point-n-shoot camera. And all along the way there have people who told me 'great job' when, looking back, those photos weren't at all technically great. Still aren't. But show me a photographer who can please all of the people all of the time.
The only(?) value to UHH certainly IS to help people improve, but don't presume to think yours is the only way to help that process happen. As for "only", you kinda missed the element of friendship. Unless you have x-ray vision, you have no way of knowing how many Personal Messages are exchanged wherein members help each other out.
Sep 24, 2013 18:50:31 #
Nightski wrote:
I like this idea Dmeyer. You just made the comment I was going to make. If you are getting lots of views, but no likes, you might consider posting your photo in the analysis section if it is your goal to improve. If you just want to have fun sharing things that you've seen and photographed, then you can stick to the gallery and not worry if anyone likes it or not.
You get it, Nightski--I'm stumped why so many have responded as though a suggestion was made to take away their rights to freedom of speech. Must be the politically charged atmosphere. :lol:
Sep 24, 2013 18:55:31 #
katkase wrote:
, There are many kinds of photographers, the ones th... (show quote)
You are most generous and insightful, katkase, and make a very good point about appreciating what it takes to get some photos.
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Sep 24, 2013 19:15:59 #
Singing Swan wrote:
So many people seem to want to change this forum. ... (show quote)
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Sep 24, 2013 19:51:54 #
You asked for opinions and I will respectfully give you mine.
I appreciate your thoughts and efforts. But the only reason I post here is to learn from those who are better than I am. That is why my signature is as it is. Therefore, I would like for the constructive criticism to continue. As mentioned earlier, it doesn't have to be a bashing and if there are any positive things about the photo it is nice to here what I'm doing correct.
I guess that is what the critique or analysis section is for. However, I do post in the gallery because I feel (bad assumption) that the gallery section receives more traffic. Therefore, more opportunities to learn from criticism.
Thanks for starting this thread. Good discussion. And I don't see anything wrong with the ideas as long as they stay in the gallery section and not go into the critique (analysis)section. But, I would only post in the critique section if that happened.
Good luck.
I appreciate your thoughts and efforts. But the only reason I post here is to learn from those who are better than I am. That is why my signature is as it is. Therefore, I would like for the constructive criticism to continue. As mentioned earlier, it doesn't have to be a bashing and if there are any positive things about the photo it is nice to here what I'm doing correct.
I guess that is what the critique or analysis section is for. However, I do post in the gallery because I feel (bad assumption) that the gallery section receives more traffic. Therefore, more opportunities to learn from criticism.
Thanks for starting this thread. Good discussion. And I don't see anything wrong with the ideas as long as they stay in the gallery section and not go into the critique (analysis)section. But, I would only post in the critique section if that happened.
Good luck.
dmeyer2m wrote:
In the time that I've been a member on UHH, I've s... (show quote)
Sep 24, 2013 20:39:49 #
dmeyer2m wrote:
In the time that I've been a member on UHH, I've s... (show quote)
I think all of those suggestions would be great additions!
Sep 24, 2013 21:08:27 #
Eugene wrote:
You asked for opinions and I will respectfully giv... (show quote)
Well, I think we're in agreement then. The first sentence in the post states for the Photo Gallery. And point #3 covers making suggestions as before. Maybe the confusion comes from the term suggestions instead of criticisms. Besides, when a poster asks for C&C the door is open for any and all comments.
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Sep 24, 2013 21:25:54 #
Clynro wrote:
I think all of those suggestions would be great additions!
Thanks you, Clynro. I haven't proposed to take anything away from the current format, only to add an element of convenience for those who want to leave positive comments without clogging the pages.
Sep 24, 2013 23:43:55 #
Singing Swan wrote:
So many people seem to want to change this forum. ... (show quote)
Hear, Hear, most excellently stated!!! Kudos for a fine post!
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Sep 24, 2013 23:58:13 #
this should be part of the registration agreement...nice!
Singing Swan wrote:
So many people seem to want to change this forum. ... (show quote)
Sep 25, 2013 09:15:14 #
[/quote]In the time that I've been a member on UHH, I've seen several discussions (rants) about the Photo Gallery: being polite and saying thank you to those who take the time to post comments; some saying they just don't have time to leave comments; and slamming those who post 'nice' comments about perceived 'poor' photos.
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Response from member to a posting in Gallery:--
Both your camera and lens are much newer, then my set up, it will definitely take these kinds of shots. Play with your camera and try various settings until you find consistency, you may need a tripod or monopod, to get sharp images, by all means get one or the other, since you don't need film, and the cost involved, take many shots and learn and have fun, if you want some help, or have questions send me a PM and I will help as much as I can
My response :--
Seeing a reply such as this gladdens my heart. It sums up the spirit of Ugly Hedgehog. Such a small thing to offer assistance but means so much to the recipient. Please continue your good works and let the rest of us follow in your footsteps. Thanks.
Todays response :-- Please continue this spirit.
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Response from member to a posting in Gallery:--
Both your camera and lens are much newer, then my set up, it will definitely take these kinds of shots. Play with your camera and try various settings until you find consistency, you may need a tripod or monopod, to get sharp images, by all means get one or the other, since you don't need film, and the cost involved, take many shots and learn and have fun, if you want some help, or have questions send me a PM and I will help as much as I can
My response :--
Seeing a reply such as this gladdens my heart. It sums up the spirit of Ugly Hedgehog. Such a small thing to offer assistance but means so much to the recipient. Please continue your good works and let the rest of us follow in your footsteps. Thanks.
Todays response :-- Please continue this spirit.
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