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Aug 27, 2013 10:47:31   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Twardlow wrote:
from that famous conservative newspaper The New York Times...

August 26, 2013, 3:01 pm 206 Comments
Ted Cruz Plays Two Truths and a Lie
By JULIET LAPIDOS

Michael Stravato for The New York Times
Senator Ted Cruz on August 20, 2013.
In an interview with CNN’s Candy Crowley on Sunday, Senator Ted Cruz spoke frankly, and also not so frankly, on the movement to shut down the federal government unless healthcare reform is defunded.

Mr. Cruz admitted that “now is the single best time to stop Obamacare” because “if it doesn’t happen now, it’s never going to happen.” As Alex Seitz-Wald wrote in The Washington Post today, it will be much more difficult to alter or uproot the health care law after October 1, when the exchanges go online.

Mr. Cruz also acknowledged that he does “not have the votes right now” to force a shutdown. At least 41 Senators need to play along, and, so far, only 13 have signaled their commitment to the cause.

But the senator would only go so far in accepting reality. He refused to concede that even if he could send a bill to President Obama’s desk that cut off funding for health care — the president would never sign it.

CROWLEY: The president is never going to sign a bill that defunds Obamacare.

CRUZ: You know, you may be convinced to that.

CROWLEY: You’re not convinced to that?

CRUZ: I am not at all.
Although the president’s negotiation record isn’t sterling, it’s implausible that he would allow Mr. Cruz et al. to undo his signature domestic accomplishment—something even staunch opponents of the law have recognized. Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina called the shutdown plan the “dumbest idea” he’d ever heard, and Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin said that “defunding Obamacare, with President Obama in the White House and Harry Reid in the Senate” is “next to impossible.”

To be fair to Mr. Cruz, he’s in a tough spot. If he were to admit that Mr. Obama would never back down, he’d also have to admit that the whole “defund or shutdown” movement is nothing but a reckless gambit for publicity.
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ChristianTruro, Cape Cod

What is truly depressing is that so much of the public is either so ignorant (which I guess is more polite than calling them stupid) or so misinformed (by cynical demagogues like Cruz, Limbaugh et al) that they believe the toxic fog of lies about the Affordable Care Act, pumped out by Republicans enraged at anything with a Democrat's signature on it, especially the Kenyan socialist Obama's. I guess these can't possibly be the 19% who believe Obamacare has already been repealed or struck down. Maybe they are part of the 23% who don't know it's still the law of the land. It's enough to make one long for a political literacy test to be qualified to vote...


manfred marcusBolivia

Ted Cruz has no scruples, just raw arrogance and the malice to destroy others on flimsy grounds; McCarthyism personified. What a fine specimen for the annals of stupidity. Humility, to him, is most likely an empty suit, a weakness to be shed. How in the world did he convince certain folks to vote for him? It seems as though the Party of No has reached a new low. When and were will this nightmare end? Lucky the canadians, who got rid of this guy.


Oh course it's about publicity! Whether it's Cruz or Issa, or some other member of the "leadership," it's never been anything else since 2010. This is not even old news any more....

They need the drama, they need to stoke the false outrage, they need to keep driving a wedge between Americans... hoping one will stick, and Obama will be crippled.

Sadly, they've got nothing else: not policies or vision for America, or a workable roadmap. All they have is "NO!" The NO is the plan, that's it. No Obama is all they have... and since NO does gets old, even for Republicans, they need crisis and drama to keep interest and visibility up.

There it is: a party whose anointed job on the taxpayers dime is to sit around and say NO and otherwise obstruct the people trying to get real work done.

I fear for this country. These guys feel like they are doing something useful. It may help a big money powerbroker for the GOP, but it does nothing for America.


Doug TerryMaryland, DC Metro area

Please repeat after me: excellent education and higher than average IQ do not equal wisdom, judgement or even a willingness to follow one's own human instincts for decency. It is possible to have what our society recognizes as the best fundamental grounding and create massive disaster here and around the world.

It is beyond my capacity to imagine how anyone could go so far off the rails as the new senator from what appears to be, more and more, the hateful state of Texas (my family's native state since the 1890s). I think that he believes he is playing an oh-so-clever game that one day might put him in the White House. I believe he has severely misjudged our times. Those who gamble for high stakes often find the comedown disappointing.


Doug TerryMaryland, DC Metro area

The great fear of the far right in America is not that the Affordable Care Act will fail, but that it will be highly successful.

Social Security and Medicare were programs put in place by Democrats in past generations. Most young people (even those under 50), don't remember and don't know how these programs came into being and many are convinced they benefit minorities much more than them, even though millions enjoy direct and indirect benefits. So, a new program, passed and supported by Democrats, would give a generation or two of politicians something to protect. This is a pure political sideshow, an effort by the Republicans to strip away the Democrats reason for being.

If the Republicans could make a claim that "Obamacare" causes cancer in children, they would do so. There are no limits to the attacks, but what is somewhat surprising is that there are so many people who will believe anything, who accept comfortable lies because they are being told what they want to hear.

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Aug 27, 2013 10:57:07   #
ottopj Loc: Annapolis, MD USA
 
Along the same lines:



Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative.

John Stuart Mill

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Aug 27, 2013 11:06:53   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
oldmalky wrote:
If these posts have been ignored due to source then why have you responded.


to show THE SOURCE that not everyone is a liberal sheep..& the post is not worth reading when you see the SOURCE....

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Aug 27, 2013 11:07:23   #
rocketride Loc: Upstate NY
 
Never mind that historical research since McCarthy's era, including examination of the Soviet archives after the fall of the USSR show that, if anything, he was understating how complete the infiltration of the US government by Stalin's agents was.

I would commend to your attention the book _American Betrayal_ (it has a subtitle which I don't recall well enough to quote) by Diana West.

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Aug 27, 2013 11:13:51   #
lucysky
 
Love this quote. Thanks!

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Aug 27, 2013 11:17:15   #
GAClowers Loc: Tacoma, Washington
 
dpullum wrote:
Wow, only had to change Wisconsin to Canada and McCarthy to Cruz and then the statement to McCarthy fits. He takes his style from the successful script used by McCarthy. My comment to his is a modified McCarthy destruction comment that should be used for the upstart "kid from Kanada"

" The comments of the Junior Senator from Canada have given considerable comfort to the enemies of America’s democratic government" “Senator Cruz, Have you no shame?”
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Mc·Car·thy·ism (m -kär th - z m). n.
1. The practice of publicizing accusations of political disloyalty or subversion with insufficient regard to evidence.
2. The use of unfair investigatory or accusatory methods in order to suppress opposition.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/McCarthyism
Wow, only had to change Wisconsin to Canada and Mc... (show quote)


You're so full of bullshit!! :thumbdown:

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Aug 27, 2013 11:18:29   #
lucysky
 
@ ole sarg, Love this quote. Thanks!

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Aug 27, 2013 11:27:30   #
Phreedom Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
 
rocketride wrote:
Never mind that historical research since McCarthy's era, including examination of the Soviet archives after the fall of the USSR show that, if anything, he was understating how complete the infiltration of the US government by Stalin's agents was.

I would commend to your attention the book _American Betrayal_ (it has a subtitle which I don't recall well enough to quote) by Diana West.


Diana West discusses her book, American Betrayal: The Secret Assault on Our Nation's Character

http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/american-betrayalthe-secret-assault-on-our-nations-character/

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Aug 27, 2013 11:45:44   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
dpullum wrote:
Additionally, SteveR, why do you take Left/Right sides, rather than looking at each issue as a separate issue, making decisions based on merits.

Seems this should be a question for Ole Sarg as it is rare post for him indeed where labels are not used. 8-)

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Aug 27, 2013 11:50:03   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
dpullum wrote:
SteveR, proud of you you did three lines in one post... you span of attention is amazing and the teacher who taught you English should be proud!

You should be even prouder of Rix the Troll as he managed several lines of thumbs up rather than a pasted graphic! 8-)

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Aug 27, 2013 11:53:29   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Bruce with a Canon wrote:
congrats!!!!! you just described liberalism.

Congrats you just described Obama, Clinton ( both of them)
Dashle, Pelosi, Reid, the whole kit-and-caboodle.

S E N A T O R is a word, SENITOR is liberal gibberish


What is your remarks based on? It's easy to hide behind an avatar and lie but prove your statements.
While your ignoring this why not get your eyes checked, the only use of SENITOR was yours.

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Aug 27, 2013 11:54:12   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
SteveR wrote:
Like I'm going to listen to somebody who compares our outstanding SENATOR from Texas to Joe McCarthy who spells it Senitor. Tell me, Pullum, who's the boogeyman in the Houth of Repersenitives? :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:


Typical Texas reply, childish.

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Aug 27, 2013 11:57:13   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Yes that is so. But, the republican principles they espoused have nothing to do with the republican principles espoused by the Republicans of today!

There is a long history of political philosophy that fears the tyranny of the majority. The French Revolution was just such an event - tyranny of the majority - and especially feared by the British.

The republicanism presented in the Constitution assures that tyranny of the majority will not occur because of the Bill of Rights, seperation of powers and apportionment of members of the House and later with the replacement of appointment to election of the Senate.




Kombiguy wrote:
Our nation's long-held principles are republican, not democratic. (Both lower-case letters) Our founders were well aware of Aristotle's dictum that "republics degenerate into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms." By starting with a republic, they sought to forestall our decline into democracy.
As an educator, I'm sure you'll agree that words and ideas are important.

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Aug 27, 2013 11:59:33   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
SteveR wrote:
Pullum...In this case you got yanked for your over the top attack on Senator Cruz, a good man.


Good for what, pray tell? He is simply another nut case bringing disgrace to what few good Texans are left.

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Aug 27, 2013 12:02:49   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
SteveR wrote:
Pullum....You misinterpreted me. I was referring, of course to that current blatantly ignorant political genius occupying 1600 Penn.

If you are looking for more verbosity, check out some other threads upon which I've been participating recently. I do prefer brevity whenever possible, and brevity in this thread is all that is really needed.


Typical plea from you and your ilk, "You misinterpreted me"

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