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Aug 19, 2013 20:09:15   #
drydock Loc: mackay, queensland australia
 
Ralloh wrote:
For whatever it's worth, I use a little $25 program called Fusion. Still learning it but very satisfied. Here are a couple I just did Saturday of Pittsburgh.


That's really pretty. I"ll give it a try

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Aug 19, 2013 23:18:35   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
marcomarks wrote:
I've been researching this subject this week because I'm interested in doing Exposure Fusion which is similar to HDR. If you want realistic, you want to use fusion instead of HDR. HDR requires a tone-mapping step and it's quite difficult to get natural and realistic out of it. Fusion bypasses tone-mapping and is superior for coming up with a realistic output, and doesn't add noise (actually reduces noise, some say) or create chromatic halos around stuff.

Photomatix is one of the few HDR packages that will do the fusion process. I don't own Photomatix Pro yet but I will by the end of the day so I can't speak from experience about the software's operation but here are some tips I've learned from numerous web sources:

1) Photomatix Pro sells for $99 retail but there are a number of photographer sites that give you a code to use at Photomatix to get 15% off - in other words a $15 discount. They then get a commission for having sent you to Photomatix with their code.

2) Photomatix Essentials or Pro works best if you convert your RAW files to TIFF (8-bit or 16-bit) using an Adobe product before putting them into Photomatix for processing. People have been complaining about blurry output created from files that were not blurry going in. The Adobe RAW converter in Lightroom or Photoshop is FAR superior to the one in Photomatix. That's not an opinion - Photomatix says so themselves in their FAQ section and THEY tell you to convert to TIFF in an Adobe product BEFORE doing HDR or fusion. I've never seen a software company tell you flat-out that part of their package is crappy and they know it. That's being pretty honest! Also, if theirs is crappy, the competitor's RAW converters are at least as crappy if not worse but they don't say so.

3) Photomatix now includes plug-in ability for LR4 and LR5 which solves that conversion problem and allows an efficient workflow. It also works with earlier LR versions but has some restrictions on LR1 and sometimes doesn't work right. This means you can convert your files to TIFF in LR, highlight a bracket group of TIFFs in LR, right click on one of the group to "export to Photomatix" and do your thing. The finished combination photo file is then imported right back into LR in the same directory, just like most other plug-ins do. Then you can touch up the finished file as you prefer it to look or even use other plug-ins on it from within LR. I like the idea of staying in one place for the whole process.

4) Photomatix is the standard of the industry (I suspect with more users than all their competitors combined). Their sample galleries by numerous international photographers will knock you out. After reading a ton of consumer reviews of other products and photographer blogs, I've learned that those products also have blurry output - likely caused by poor RAW converters in them but nobody has mentioned that concept that I've seen. Most HDR software packages are going to be selling for $50 to $100 so why not just buy the industry standard which is reportedly easy to use (I watched a couple YouTube videos about that), does everything that every other product does, and also does Exposure Fusion for more realistic output than HDR for $85?

5) Photomatix Pro also does simultaneous bulk processing of HDR or Fusion auto-bracket groupings to save you time instead of just doing one at a time. Essentials apparently doesn't do that.

I've been using Dynamic Photo HDR5 for the last 9 months (also blurry when using their RAW conversion). I'm moving over to Photomatix Pro today so I can start doing fusion when my 7-shot auto-bracketing camera arrives Wednesday!
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I've tried it but not really that thrilled with it, there are to many limitations with it. Understand your excitement over Photomatix but there again lightroom will do everything Photomatix will do. Just a note, there is a plug in for Lightroom.

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Aug 21, 2013 12:20:23   #
tom hughes Loc: Phila Pa
 
this was 2 shots processed in Photomatix Pro 4



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Aug 21, 2013 12:23:37   #
tom hughes Loc: Phila Pa
 
this was one of the the exposures. should have sent them together. Hope this helps. Photomatix Pro 4 very easy to work with.



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Aug 21, 2013 12:54:12   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
tom hughes wrote:
this was 2 shots processed in Photomatix Pro 4


Ouch, what happened? Are you perhaps stumped when it comes to "Chromatic Aberrations"? The work is very good but colors and strength of colors is not realistic.

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Aug 21, 2013 13:00:05   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
tom hughes wrote:
this was one of the the exposures. should have sent them together. Hope this helps. Photomatix Pro 4 very easy to work with.


This is much better, no sign of any chromatic aberrations whatsoever. This sky, tho empty is much better that the overdone sky in #1, this one is begging for perhaps a few small fluffy white clouds floating around. Something to brighten up the overall complexion of the shot just a tad.

Both are very good attempts Tom, think you see that Photomatix is the better of the 2 programs.

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Aug 21, 2013 13:22:35   #
barkeypf Loc: Clifton Park, NY
 
I wish i could upload my sample of NIK HDR on this photo. It won't upload the attachment. The NIK is far more natural looking than the example above.

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Aug 21, 2013 13:49:36   #
tom hughes Loc: Phila Pa
 
Its called HDR for a reason, Just submitted one of several processed versions of that shot. Some very natural, some more dramatic. The finished process is always reflective of the processor. UP-2-IT, it is not "chromatic aberration" it is called "tone mapping" it's done in the software not in the camera. If you understood HDR, you would have known that the 2nd shot was unprocessed, and just one of the downloaded required exposures. So no "fluffy clouds" needed. Use the UHH search option for HDR. You'll find it very informative.

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Aug 21, 2013 14:40:24   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
rdgreenwood wrote:
I'm not sure I understand your question. Yes, Nik's programs are all plug-ins whereas Photomatix isn't. Functionally, however, I don't see much of a difference. One opens on its own; the other opens through Photoshop. Yep, that's the difference that I see.

My workflow--Bridge > CS5 > Nik Plug-ins > HDR Efex Pro 2 > CS5 > Lightroom > Printer--lends itself to using Nik.

I'm not saying, "This must be your workflow!" All I'm saying is that this works for me quite nicely. Here's an image that was developed using that workflow.
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The tone and shading is not consistant.

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Aug 21, 2013 14:47:01   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
tom hughes wrote:
Its called HDR for a reason, Just submitted one of several processed versions of that shot. Some very natural, some more dramatic. The finished process is always reflective of the processor. UP-2-IT, it is not "chromatic aberration" it is called "tone mapping" it's done in the software not in the camera. If you understood HDR, you would have known that the 2nd shot was unprocessed, and just one of the downloaded required exposures. So no "fluffy clouds" needed. Use the UHH search option for HDR. You'll find it very informative.
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Okay Tom, to each his own, it's all in what one sees. Obviously the unprocessed shot is more apealing than your HDR is.

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Aug 21, 2013 15:35:20   #
wrr Loc: SEK
 
OHenry wrote:
One thing to know.......I use Photoshop Elements 9, so, without additional expense, the decision was made for me. Unless they have changed things (which is always possible), Nik's HDR program requires a full Photoshop program and will not "plug into" Elements. Photomatix works fine for me.


Just a FYI, NIK software will run with the free GIMP, you don't need photoshop. I'm using GIMP 2.8 and the latest NIK software. Just need to drop a single file into GIMP's plug-in folder which will let GIMP work with most 3rd party photoshop software. Available here...
http://tml.pp.fi/gimp/pspi.html

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Aug 21, 2013 15:50:41   #
alocarlos Loc: NY
 
tom hughes wrote:
this was one of the the exposures. should have sent them together. Hope this helps. Photomatix Pro 4 very easy to work with.


Look good- but I think NIK offer more realistic look- (it is only my opinion)
See before and after pictures

Before Nik- HDR processing NYC LGA from City Field
Before Nik- HDR processing NYC LGA from City Field...

After Nik- HDR processing NYC LGA from City Field
After Nik- HDR processing NYC LGA from City Field...

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Aug 21, 2013 16:26:53   #
Ralloh Loc: Ohio
 
tom hughes wrote:
this was one of the the exposures. should have sent them together. Hope this helps. Photomatix Pro 4 very easy to work with.


Here is the unprocessed photo you uploaded after I ran it through Fusion. Remember, this is just the one photo. Then with a bit of straightening up, I think it came out pretty good. Just illustrating that you don't necessarily have to spend a lot of money on software.



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Aug 21, 2013 21:30:44   #
tom hughes Loc: Phila Pa
 
Ralloh, looks great. I did about 5 versions of that shot, some very dramatic & others like your version. Usually take 5 or 7 bracketed shots to play with depending on the lighting & the subject. This was a hand held 2 shot. Again great job.

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Aug 22, 2013 04:40:22   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
Here is my first attempt with my new Nikon D5200 to do a realistic HDR with Photomatix 4.2 Pro.
drydock wrote:
I am tossing up which of these to buy as I want to give HDR a go. I would welcome any advice from UHH members as to which is easier to use, which gives more realistic effects. Perhaps there's another HDR program out there that is better??

Riverside Park, Essex, Md.
Riverside Park, Essex, Md....

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