evandr wrote:
gessman wrote:
anotherview wrote:
gessman: Thanks for kind words. For balance I must add that some of the visual attraction of these photos results from careful post-processing -- stating the obvious. Upfront, I try for an interesting subject and a good exposure.
There's nothing like a good wide angle shot.
So True! I too love a good wide angle shot; it never ceases to amaze me how the minds eye can look at a wide angle photo and tune out the fact that the shot is a compressed scene.
I love shooting wide angles close to the ground with a foreground subject expanding into a background subject having sharp front to back focus. I just got my new Nikkor 17-35mm f2.8D last week so I have nothing show worthy yet, I am still learning, but I have seen it done and the results are amazing. I'll post something for your consideration as soon as I get something I especially like.
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I've been wondering what you've been up to. Missed you. You've been sitting around smackin' your lips over that new lens. Makes me a little jealous. I haven't gotten anything new in so long, I've forgotten what it's like. We'll be looking for some of those new images.
gessman wrote:
evandr wrote:
gessman wrote:
anotherview wrote:
gessman: Thanks for kind words. For balance I must add that some of the visual attraction of these photos results from careful post-processing -- stating the obvious. Upfront, I try for an interesting subject and a good exposure.
There's nothing like a good wide angle shot.
So True! I too love a good wide angle shot; it never ceases to amaze me how the minds eye can look at a wide angle photo and tune out the fact that the shot is a compressed scene.
I love shooting wide angles close to the ground with a foreground subject expanding into a background subject having sharp front to back focus. I just got my new Nikkor 17-35mm f2.8D last week so I have nothing show worthy yet, I am still learning, but I have seen it done and the results are amazing. I'll post something for your consideration as soon as I get something I especially like.
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I've been wondering what you've been up to. Missed you. You've been sitting around smackin' your lips over that new lens. Makes me a little jealous. I haven't gotten anything new in so long, I've forgotten what it's like. We'll be looking for some of those new images.
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Hey, give me a challenge, pick something relatively small as a forground image (something smaller than a bread box and please do not suggest a bread box) and I will try to find it and set up a shot with a background. It might be fun! :)
evandr wrote:
gessman wrote:
evandr wrote:
gessman wrote:
anotherview wrote:
gessman: Thanks for kind words. For balance I must add that some of the visual attraction of these photos results from careful post-processing -- stating the obvious. Upfront, I try for an interesting subject and a good exposure.
There's nothing like a good wide angle shot.
So True! I too love a good wide angle shot; it never ceases to amaze me how the minds eye can look at a wide angle photo and tune out the fact that the shot is a compressed scene.
I love shooting wide angles close to the ground with a foreground subject expanding into a background subject having sharp front to back focus. I just got my new Nikkor 17-35mm f2.8D last week so I have nothing show worthy yet, I am still learning, but I have seen it done and the results are amazing. I'll post something for your consideration as soon as I get something I especially like.
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I've been wondering what you've been up to. Missed you. You've been sitting around smackin' your lips over that new lens. Makes me a little jealous. I haven't gotten anything new in so long, I've forgotten what it's like. We'll be looking for some of those new images.
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Hey, give me a challenge, pick something relatively small as a forground image (something smaller than a bread box and please do not suggest a bread box) and I will try to find it and set up a shot with a background. It might be fun! :)
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Evandr, I can probably come up with something but about that bread box - our oldest son married a Mormon girl from Collinston and there were 13 people in her family. I reckon they'd need a small barn for a bread box. That's not what you're talking about is it. How about some sage. Y'all do have some sage out your way don't you. That ought to work and add a little color in the process. Or maybe a yucca plant. Heck, I've never been to the upper part of Utah. I don't know what you folks have laying around on the ground or what your chances are of having a pretty background. Or, how a bout a catsup bottle sitting somewhere around where there's an interesting background, sort of a "busy" or cluttered background. I don't know if you want to do this indoors or out. Help me out a little. How about across the hood of your car diagonally so the car can be identified and toward some trees or mountains in the distance, if you have them. Without knowing what you've got around you there, it's a little to think of very much to do.
As important as the lens is the six inches behind the lens is even more important. Almost any lens will produce good images under the right conditions. Stopping the lens down two to three stops will almost always provide better images. I use an 18 - 200 nikon VR with good results but my friend gets even better results with a Tamron 18-270. Go to a camera store with your camera and attach the lenses you are thinking about. Shot 20 or so shots at different zoom and apertures then go home and carefully examine the results. It will be a few hours well spent
You might have a look at the EF Zoom lens 24 mm-105 mm F/4.0 L Its versatile an allow a fairly wide range. I haven't taken it off my new camera as yet (three months) and have done a lot of portrait and landscape.
evandr: Thanks for suggestion. New here, and still learning the ropes.
evandr wrote:
anotherview wrote:
Agree with this assessment of third-party lenses. Some lenses, however, like the new Sigma 17-50mm, f/2.8 equate with a similar Canon lens, for practical purposes. We users benefit from the competitive offerings among lenses.
Hello anotherview, thanks for your input. If I may however suggest that when referencing a particular post that you use the "quote/reply" so that we can link your comment to the post that caused you to make it. I do not know which assessment you are refering to.
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gessman wrote:
Evandr, I can probably come up with something but about that bread box - our oldest son married a Mormon girl from Collinston and there were 13 people in her family. I reckon they'd need a small barn for a bread box. That's not what you're talking about is it. How about some sage. Y'all do have some sage out your way don't you. That ought to work and add a little color in the process. Or maybe a yucca plant. Heck, I've never been to the upper part of Utah. I don't know what you folks have laying around on the ground or what your chances are of having a pretty background. Or, how a bout a catsup bottle sitting somewhere around where there's an interesting background, sort of a "busy" or cluttered background. I don't know if you want to do this indoors or out. Help me out a little. How about across the hood of your car diagonally so the car can be identified and toward some trees or mountains in the distance, if you have them. Without knowing what you've got around you there, it's a little to think of very much to do.
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OK, we have mountains, the Great Salt Lake, buildings, canyons, deserts and all sorts of things just like you might suspect; I will decide that. What I want from you is something small that can go in the forground. I once saw a picture of a small starfish on the shores of the ocean with a large island in the background shot with the camera about 5 inches from the ground just behind the starfish using an 18mm view. In the picture, pixel for pixel, the starfish was larger than the island and both were in perfect focus; I even saw an excellent picture of a dead and rotting rockfish in the foreground, LOL.
The challenge for me is to find an artistic way to shoot whatever you tell me to using the method I just described. Heck, you can suggest a flatened old pop can or a rock that is painted gold if you want, the ketchup bottle would work - you decide but think of something not mentioned yet. Have a little mercy and avoid suggesting dead things but it is up to you.
We are all just checking to see if you are paying (atension)
evandr wrote:
gessman wrote:
Evandr, I can probably come up with something but about that bread box - our oldest son married a Mormon girl from Collinston and there were 13 people in her family. I reckon they'd need a small barn for a bread box. That's not what you're talking about is it. How about some sage. Y'all do have some sage out your way don't you. That ought to work and add a little color in the process. Or maybe a yucca plant. Heck, I've never been to the upper part of Utah. I don't know what you folks have laying around on the ground or what your chances are of having a pretty background. Or, how a bout a catsup bottle sitting somewhere around where there's an interesting background, sort of a "busy" or cluttered background. I don't know if you want to do this indoors or out. Help me out a little. How about across the hood of your car diagonally so the car can be identified and toward some trees or mountains in the distance, if you have them. Without knowing what you've got around you there, it's a little to think of very much to do.
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OK, we have mountains, the Great Salt Lake, buildings, canyons, deserts and all sorts of things just like you might suspect; I will decide that. What I want from you is something small that can go in the forground. I once saw a picture of a small starfish on the shores of the ocean with a large island in the background shot with the camera about 5 inches from the ground just behind the starfish using an 18mm view. In the picture, pixel for pixel, the starfish was larger than the island and both were in perfect focus; I even saw an excellent picture of a dead and rotting rockfish in the foreground, LOL.
The challenge for me is to find an artistic way to shoot whatever you tell me to using the method I just described. Heck, you can suggest a flatened old pop can or a rock that is painted gold if you want, the ketchup bottle would work - you decide but think of something not mentioned yet. Have a little mercy and avoid suggesting dead things but it is up to you.
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Okay. Having been there I don't know what your immediate surroundings are or if you have to travel to "get there." I'd like to see a picture of that house with the hootch bottles in the far-ground with a camera, p&s or whatever, in the near-ground if that's doable, either early morning or late evening whichever offers the best lighting. I'd also like to see a shot down on the camera with a far background of the scene, getting the lake and possibly the mountains if they're close enough for that lens.
gessman wrote:
Okay. Having been there I don't know what your immediate surroundings are or if you have to travel to "get there." I'd like to see a picture of that house with the hootch bottles in the far-ground with a camera, p&s or whatever, in the near-ground if that's doable, either early morning or late evening whichever offers the best lighting. I'd also like to see a shot down on the camera with a far background of the scene, getting the lake and possibly the mountains if they're close enough for that lens.
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I guess you're not understanding the challenge. If I put the focusing distance at 3' with an apreture of f22 and ISO 100 and then place my camera 5 inches off of the ground with my lense set at 17mm my depth of field will be from 10 inches to infinity. I will have two subjects, one near the camera lens very near to the ground (if not on the ground) and one in the distant background. I will select the distant background depending on what you choose as the object of interest on the ground near the lens. Don't worry about framing the shot, framing the shot is the challenge I must meet; just send me on a scavenger hunt looking for something of your choosing to use as the subject of interest near the lens and then, if I can find what you ask for then I will proceed to seek the best view I can to frame the shot in an interesting manner; that will most likely mean moving the object from where I find it to another location and setting up the whole shot. I would consider it a fun and interesting challenge.
evandr wrote:
gessman wrote:
Okay. Having been there I don't know what your immediate surroundings are or if you have to travel to "get there." I'd like to see a picture of that house with the hootch bottles in the far-ground with a camera, p&s or whatever, in the near-ground if that's doable, either early morning or late evening whichever offers the best lighting. I'd also like to see a shot down on the camera with a far background of the scene, getting the lake and possibly the mountains if they're close enough for that lens.
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I guess you're not understanding the challenge. If I put the focusing distance at 3' with an apreture of f22 and ISO 100 and then place my camera 5 inches off of the ground with my lense set at 17mm my depth of field will be from 10 inches to infinity. I will have two subjects, one near the camera lens very near to the ground (if not on the ground) and one in the distant background. I will select the distant background depending on what you choose as the object of interest on the ground near the lens. Don't worry about framing the shot, framing the shot is the challenge I must meet; just send me on a scavenger hunt looking for something of your choosing to use as the subject of interest near the lens and then, if I can find what you ask for then I will proceed to seek the best view I can to frame the shot in an interesting manner; that will most likely mean moving the object from where I find it to another location and setting up the whole shot. I would consider it a fun and interesting challenge.
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Well, you may have picked out the wrong guy for this. I've never participated in a scavenger hunt and don't know much about how that works. My mind just isn't going where you want it to. It is at this point that I would say, "show me an example, or surprise me with something you like."
Let's see if we can get some other folks to chime in here. I'm just a "stick in the mud" apparently. Fact is, that between all the time I'm spending on this forum, wanting to be out shooting, but afraid I'm going to miss something in here of value, and my feet swelling from sitting here, I'm a little scattered at the moment. Perhaps at another time I wouldn't feel as distracted and could focus on "the game."
bobmielke wrote:
Dolmen wrote:
Canon's 70-300 is capable of very good results,trouble is,people are unable to master it,too slow shutter speed being the most common cause of bad results.So get to know your equipment,& stop whining.
Please take this poster's comments with a grain of salt. He has posted no photographs and has listed his location as "In Hiding". When confronted in a private message about his antagonistic approach his response was that he "likes to shake up the weenies on this forum".
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Your thoughts are like mine.... I'm getting back into photography after many years out of it and also trying to figure out what the perfict lens would be... Been thinking about the 70/300 (Canon EF) , but now wondering about one in the 30/250 range... I recently obtain a Canon 650 film camera.... Sweet, sweet camera.... ( i'm a color slide type guy) Also use a Kodak 9.1 easyshare for everyday type shooting.... Any suggestions welcome...
gessman wrote:
evandr wrote:
gessman wrote:
Okay. Having been there I don't know what your immediate surroundings are or if you have to travel to "get there." I'd like to see a picture of that house with the hootch bottles in the far-ground with a camera, p&s or whatever, in the near-ground if that's doable, either early morning or late evening whichever offers the best lighting. I'd also like to see a shot down on the camera with a far background of the scene, getting the lake and possibly the mountains if they're close enough for that lens.
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I guess you're not understanding the challenge. If I put the focusing distance at 3' with an apreture of f22 and ISO 100 and then place my camera 5 inches off of the ground with my lense set at 17mm my depth of field will be from 10 inches to infinity. I will have two subjects, one near the camera lens very near to the ground (if not on the ground) and one in the distant background. I will select the distant background depending on what you choose as the object of interest on the ground near the lens. Don't worry about framing the shot, framing the shot is the challenge I must meet; just send me on a scavenger hunt looking for something of your choosing to use as the subject of interest near the lens and then, if I can find what you ask for then I will proceed to seek the best view I can to frame the shot in an interesting manner; that will most likely mean moving the object from where I find it to another location and setting up the whole shot. I would consider it a fun and interesting challenge.
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Well, you may have picked out the wrong guy for this. I've never participated in a scavenger hunt and don't know much about how that works. My mind just isn't going where you want it to. It is at this point that I would say, "show me an example, or surprise me with something you like."
Let's see if we can get some other folks to chime in here. I'm just a "stick in the mud" apparently. Fact is, that between all the time I'm spending on this forum, wanting to be out shooting, but afraid I'm going to miss something in here of value, and my feet swelling from sitting here, I'm a little scattered at the moment. Perhaps at another time I wouldn't feel as distracted and could focus on "the game."
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OK, let me make it easy for you; pick something totally off the wall as a subject, make it about the size of a gallon container or smaller, A rock, a smashed can, some toy at the dollar store, an old ball, a used candle, a cow pie - the sky is the limit. Make it something that you imagin that I could never make a nice shot out of. As I said before the only thing I request is that you refrain from dead animals or rotting meat. Give it some thought for a few days, ask your wife, you need not answer right away.
donrent wrote:
bobmielke wrote:
Dolmen wrote:
Canon's 70-300 is capable of very good results,trouble is,people are unable to master it,too slow shutter speed being the most common cause of bad results.So get to know your equipment,& stop whining.
Please take this poster's comments with a grain of salt. He has posted no photographs and has listed his location as "In Hiding". When confronted in a private message about his antagonistic approach his response was that he "likes to shake up the weenies on this forum".
quote=Dolmen Canon's 70-300 is capable of very go... (
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Your thoughts are like mine.... I'm getting back into photography after many years out of it and also trying to figure out what the perfict lens would be... Been thinking about the 70/300 (Canon EF) , but now wondering about one in the 30/250 range... I recently obtain a Canon 650 film camera.... Sweet, sweet camera.... ( i'm a color slide type guy) Also use a Kodak 9.1 easyshare for everyday type shooting.... Any suggestions welcome...
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