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Jul 9, 2013 00:25:28   #
alycat Loc: Canton OH
 
maccardi wrote:
I am the latter. I am a guy that enjoys photography as a hobby and IMO the digital camera is one of the best learning tools available. I like instantly knowing if my adjustments worked or not.

Back 20 years ago, I had an SLR 35mm camera and it was hard to keep track of how I shot any particular picture and by the time I got my pics back, it was a crap shoot weather they came out good or not. There was also considerable cost involved when paying developing fees for potentially bad pictures.

In this digital era, I know instantly what my camera is doing. For someone like me that has no formal training, I enjoy trying different shooting modes and learning what they do. I can read thousands of articles and forum posts about what the different settings do but until I try them myself, I don't really learn.

The article makes a valid point about someone like myself but I don't take pictures to make a living, I just do it for personal satisfaction. I think nothing of going out all day and taking 400 shots to produce maybe 15 that I really like but like I mentioned earlier it only costs me my time not any $, and it is a labor of love for me...

Just my $.02
I am the latter. I am a guy that enjoys photograph... (show quote)


I was thinking of the comments I was hoing to make, but Maccardi said it all.

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Jul 9, 2013 02:26:07   #
Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK
 
actigner wrote:
Interesting reading on a thought provoking topic. I have always said that many people take pictures but only a few really make pictures. Regardless of the tool, it's only the finished result that counts.


Thanks.
I am totally neutral about the article - I posted it to provoke peoples thoughts and seem to have succeeded by the number of pages generated. :thumbup:


It all goes to keep the 'Little grey cells' active. :-)

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Jul 9, 2013 05:32:38   #
steve03 Loc: long Lsland
 
Crwiwy wrote:
Thanks.
I am totally neutral about the article - I posted it to provoke peoples thoughts and seem to have succeeded by the number of pages generated. :thumbup:


It all goes to keep the 'Little grey cells' active. :-)


Nikon is working on a new concept camera that they say will change Photography. It will come out in the next 5 years, all hush hush. So I guess we will have this discussion again but next it will be is the new tech.art like digital

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Jul 9, 2013 05:44:34   #
fthomas Loc: Philippines
 
SteveR wrote:
Digital is easy because you can put it on auto and shoot away. Just because there are a million photos out there does not preclude technique and art. It doesn't take much know how to use a DSLR. It does to use it and really make it work for you as a tool. Snapshots for one are not art. Not only must one learn how to use the tool, one must learn the photographic art. Above that is that creative genius that some have and well, some just don't.

Right now I feel like I'm at the stage just beyond shooting auto where I'm selecting either shutter or aperture priority and working on focus. Got a long way to go. I was a pretty good film photographer when I did everything manually, had to think, conserve my resources and get the best shots possible. I also had great subjects back then.....my kids.
Digital is easy because you can put it on auto and... (show quote)


Just because it is automatic doesn't make it rise to the level of Henri Cartier-Bresson! He not only had the eye and the art, but he had the ability to utilize his camera to convey his message. Today, people shoot hundreds of images to bank one good one. What is the gift or craft in that?

The DSLR has certainly changed the landscape (pun intended) of artistic photography regardless of the subject! I don't feel that it is for the better!

If you must work for it to gain every last aspect of an unbelievable image you are now pushing the envelope of rising above the chaos and clutter we see today!

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Jul 9, 2013 06:44:01   #
bali
 
I say taking too many photos is a heck of lot better than too much beer an drugs an vulgarity.

I can see the Photography studios grunting over this, but you can go out into the real world like the rest of us an make a living.

They teach it in our schools.

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Jul 9, 2013 08:34:08   #
Dlevon Loc: New Jersey
 
ziggykor wrote:
Have you been published in National Geographic? I suspect that you really don't know how critical Nat Geo is when the editor culls the images.

Back in the film days the vast majority of people with cameras really knew nothing of craft. Today it's the same. Yes most people can take pictures and share them on the internet, but very few, including the vast majority here on the Hog, know enough craft to make a photograph.

The digital camera has destroyed nothing, the problem is our own demand for instant gratification. Here's a simple comparison: how many homes built today will last the time that homes built 300 years ago, or longer, will last. Craft seems to have been lost in all things.
Have you been published in National Geographic? I... (show quote)


No I haven't been published in national geographic nor would I want to be. NG outlived their early premise , and the only thing important to them nowadays is accolades from those who think their pictures are the living end. Imagine the cost involved in taking any of their pictures. I take pictures for my enjoyment and my friends enjoyment. Nobody said the digital camera destroyed anything. It's just another way of taking pictures.
Speaking about homes, they don't build them like they used to and thank heaven. I've been in many older homes and the construction was horrible. Yes many old mansions appeared to be built well, but they weren't. In the old days they just used a lot of masonry and wood. the framing methods were aboriginal. Construction lumber was green. The wealthy built the houses that remain, and only because they spent so much money on them, but the techniques of construction were ancient. Today's technology makes much better houses, that is if they are designed properly and constructive properly. Same with today's cameras. If they're used properly they'll do the job however they're much more complicated to use.

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Jul 9, 2013 08:40:42   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
Crwiwy wrote:
It all goes to keep the 'Little grey cells' active. :-)

I play chess for that..........lol

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Jul 9, 2013 08:50:28   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
Dlevon wrote:
Speaking about homes, they don't build them like they used to and thank heaven. I've been in many older homes and the construction was horrible. Yes many old mansions appeared to be built well, but they weren't. In the old days they just used a lot of masonry and wood. the framing methods were aboriginal. Construction lumber was green. The wealthy built the houses that remain, and only because they spent so much money on them, but the techniques of construction were ancient. Today's technology makes much better houses, that is if they are designed properly and constructive properly.
Speaking about homes, they don't build them like t... (show quote)

Construction lumber is still green. It comes from the lumber mill with a moisture content up in the 30-50% range. Depending on your climate, it will eventually settle in the 5-15% range. Here in San Diego it's so difficult to get a straight piece of lumber if it's been at Home Depot too long because it has dried to the 5-7% range in our desert climate.

Considering how slow construction was many decades ago compared to how rapidly a house can be built now, the old days probably had lumber that wasn't as green since it sat at the construction site so long and reached an equilibrium with the environment.

In today's construction, lumber rarely sits out at the construction site. They order and deliver on an "as needed" basis so it doesn't sit around where it can be subject to damage and theft.

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Jul 9, 2013 09:03:40   #
Dlevon Loc: New Jersey
 
russelray wrote:
Construction lumber is still green. It comes from the lumber mill with a moisture content up in the 30-50% range. Depending on your climate, it will eventually settle in the 5-15% range. Here in San Diego it's so difficult to get a straight piece of lumber if it's been at Home Depot too long because it has dried to the 5-7% range in our desert climate.

Considering how slow construction was many decades ago compared to how rapidly a house can be built now, the old days probably had lumber that wasn't as green since it sat at the construction site so long and reached an equilibrium with the environment.

In today's construction, lumber rarely sits out at the construction site. They order and deliver on an "as needed" basis so it doesn't sit around where it can be subject to damage and theft.
Construction lumber is still green. It comes from ... (show quote)


You're right about a lot of that.. If you're really critical you have to handpick your lumber. I never buy any lumber at Home Depot. The old construction lumber if it had stabilized, was probably warped. The old builders didn't know anything about camber in lumber, so they used anything any which way!
And they used balloon framing with warped lumber. I've checked houses that had ledger strips that had shrunk of off the balloon framing, and the framing was failing. Also there was a lot of shrinkage in the framing in the old days that caused headers and floors to sag and frame structures to warp. Again all techniques can be usable, however the user must be critical of every phase, be it photography or construction.

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Jul 9, 2013 09:25:40   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
Dlevon wrote:
You're right about a lot of that.. If you're really critical you have to handpick your lumber. I never buy any lumber at Home Depot. The old construction lumber if it had stabilized, was probably warped. The old builders didn't know anything about camber in lumber, so they used anything any which way!
And they used balloon framing with warped lumber. I've checked houses that had ledger strips that had shrunk of off the balloon framing, and the framing was failing. Also there was a lot of shrinkage in the framing in the old days that caused headers and floors to sag and frame structures to warp. Again all techniques can be usable, however the user must be critical of every phase, be it photography or construction.
You're right about a lot of that.. If you're reall... (show quote)

We don't use balloon framing in earthquake country.........lol

If you want to see shrinkage disasters, sagging headers, sagging floors, warped walls, windows and doors that won't open or close properly (in new construction!), head on out to San Diego and I'll give you a tour. Even in newly built 15,000-SF, $6 million Rancho Santa Fe home, it's horrible. I'm a home inspector by profession so I get to see it all, but I also often get taken to task by people buying new homes because they think the place is falling apart and want me to help them get a huge discount on the price. That's about the only time in my life that I've ever said, "Not my job." I'm just documenting the condition. After that, it's a fight between the buyer's and seller's Realtors as far as the final price goes.

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Jul 9, 2013 11:53:13   #
Canonuser Loc: UK and South Africa
 
I used to be quite proud of the fact that I was able to remove a used cassette of 35mm film from my camera and replace it with a new one, one handed. Its the only skill I feel I've lost in the digital era

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Jul 9, 2013 12:00:15   #
Dlevon Loc: New Jersey
 
russelray wrote:
We don't use balloon framing in earthquake country.........lol

If you want to see shrinkage disasters, sagging headers, sagging floors, warped walls, windows and doors that won't open or close properly (in new construction!), head on out to San Diego and I'll give you a tour. Even in newly built 15,000-SF, $6 million Rancho Santa Fe home, it's horrible. I'm a home inspector by profession so I get to see it all, but I also often get taken to task by people buying new homes because they think the place is falling apart and want me to help them get a huge discount on the price. That's about the only time in my life that I've ever said, "Not my job." I'm just documenting the condition. After that, it's a fight between the buyer's and seller's Realtors as far as the final price goes.
We don't use balloon framing in earthquake country... (show quote)


I understand! As a retired architect , I've been asked to testify in court cases where the owner is suing the builder, and many times the plans used for the construction had no information on them, ie, siding, masonry, roofing. No real detail. Framing information consisted of sizes only, no wood species or stress grades. The owners got what the builder gave them. Sad commentary on residential construction, today! And also on those architects that provide incomplete drawings for the builders benefit, especially in mass housing.

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Jul 9, 2013 12:24:27   #
Miriam
 
Let's not be culture snobs. Some people are destined to be artists and some just want a box of crayons and a coloring book. Whatever turns you on!

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Jul 9, 2013 14:41:00   #
katkase Loc: Grapeview, WA
 
Dlevon wrote:
Then he's a lousy photographer! Spectacular is in the minds eye! One guy's spectacular is another guys mud. If I had to take six hundred rolls of film to get three shots that I thought were perfect, in my minds eye, then there's something wrong.


Have you tried to take photos of the great outdoors? One does not have the luxury of really composing that one shot if you are shooting wildlife. You are stuck with "what is". You are at a vantage point and your quarry will move in directions that may not be conducive for that perfect shot. It will take many shots to get that one. A landscape is another ball of wax altogether and you can take your time in the composition. No one can really judge why a photographer does what they do. If it brings the results that they need, then we who are not in their shoes need to keep our mouths shut.

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Jul 9, 2013 14:43:24   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
I cut my teeth over 40 years ago with film. I went digital about five years ago. I've taken more photos in the past five years than in the previous 35.

I knew how to use the through the lens light meter on my film cameras. I'm still trying to master it on my digital. Do I use spot metering? Center weight? Matrix? I'm still trying to figure out which would be best in a given situation. I have learned the center weight doesn't work very well!

If you want to go beyond being a picture taker to a photographer, you still need to learn the craft of photography, including the nuts and bolts of lighting, composition, etc.

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