Gramps Loc: Republic of Tejas--Tomball, TX

UH, UH!!!! Production by post process, highly phonied and contrived!

G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK

In the world of art it seems to me not to matter what you do or how you do it - if someone likes it (or better buys it) then its 'ART'.
Trouble with photography as art is that everyone can or wants to copy what you do or criticize how you did it therefore it ceases to be art and becomes a discussion about skill with a camera,too much or little post processing, printed media etc.
Most artists talk extravagantly about their emotions - which can neither be seen nor reproduced. Perhaps photographic artwork should be explained in a similar manner rather than with technical data.

Shutter Bugger

The production above your post was by Fujifilm.
Not wasting the shutter count of the Nikon on documentries for the insurance company.

bunuweld Loc: Arizona

Well, I think it is art. You put two isosceles triangles whose bases are part of two rectangles, and when the rectangles join by closing the gate, they form an equilateral triangle. There is harmony in that gate, and harmony is an artistic quality. I would be satisfied looking at the gate and even more so if I would have built it :thumbup:

Shutter Bugger

Thanks,

I made triangles so the gate would not sag.

Often functional elements look pleasing.

The old one may have existed since the 70s.
It was all timber, some of it rotten and it had no
diagonal elements.

It had sagged a lot so I made adjustments
so it could be easily opened and closed; it was still an eye sore though. The old maxim about grey clouds and silver linings was proved true on this occasion by the old gates destruction.

If you look through the red cars windscreen you can see the old gate. The tile roof that appears to be in the back yard is an illusion of a long focal length. It's the neigbours roof... The snap was taken in 08 before I erected the garage in the back yard near the end of the driveway on the other side of the back gate.

Peekayoh Loc: UK

You're right, it's not Art but it's damn fine craftsmanship.

Shutter Bugger

That's high praise pardner,

thanks.

At 17 I was a Trades Assistant at a Cessna dealer. The LAMEs I worked with were dedicated men; if one little tiny thing was not perfect it was binned and then you had to start again from scratch.

One of them was an ex military A. Tech. Who'd done one too many tours in S.E. Asia, he'd go absolutely berserk over a speck of paint stripper the size of a 1/4 of a match head in the wrong place. Despite that they were great blokes and good friends. I like to think some of their skill rubbed off.

bunuweld Loc: Arizona

I agree about the craftsmanship. I myself get involved in home construction projects and appreciate good craftsmanship. On more than one occasion I find that my projects come in some form of balance which pleases my eye. The classic painters, and especially Leonardo da Vinci, had a particular eye for that harmony and used the Golden Ratio in some of their creations. At the risk of you and Shutter Bugger classifying me as nuts, I do see some of that in the gate. It caught my eye because I use the Golden Ratio in some of my work. After enlarging the gate in question, I measure the diagonal base of the isosceles triangles as 255 mm, and either one of the remaining two sides as 158 mm.

255/158=1.639
The Golden Ratio is 1.618 (see link below)

My measurements may be different from what you get with the real gate, but the rough proportion is there. One finds the Golden Ratio in nature and in classic architecture. If accidental, is it art? I don't know, but this whole thread has debated the concept of art and artist as have many previous discussions. To me, harmony contains a seed of art, and the artist consciously or not uses it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

Shutter Bugger

I do like good proportions.

Ive admired Ludwig Meis Van der Rohes work for a long time.

Thanks for acknowledging my handiwork Buneweld.

BamaTexan Loc: Deep in the heart of Texas

It seems that some folks have too much time on their hands.

Shutter Bugger

You'r e not wrong, but being creative and analytic is
good mental gymnastics when you have that time...
So I'm gonna find my plans for that gate and crunch some numbers... Or Buneweld if you want can do the numbers...
I'm gunna post the plans right here.

Add 4 millimetres to the longest vertical. As i was constructing it I realized a bit more "pointyness" would not hurt. Obviously the top diagonal was made a bees dick longer to facilitate that. Do the trigg if you want. I planned for a window as you can see, but i couldnt be fagged to include it in the actual construction.

bunuweld Loc: Arizona

Just using your posted plans, I found the measurements on orange background to be the easiest to read, so using those measurements, the ratio between the diagonal and the upper edge of the gate is 1.6, and between the diagonal and the lower edge 1.72. Both numbers fitting what modern architects using the Golden Ratio would consider within the boundaries.

About "It seems that some folks have too much time on their hands", it takes very little time if the eye is conditioned to detect those proportions or to instinctively use them in one's constructions as you may have done in your plans..

Shutter Bugger

The lower horizontal dimension is governed by the size of the gap that the gates fill.

I matched the short vertical so the hinged side of the gates
matched the height of the fence it "attaches" to.

You may notice the fence is a bit higher on one side than the other. I made that dimension of the gates average relative to the height difference of the fence on the left and right.

So the only dimension that I could get creative with
with was the longest vertical to make the peak when the gates are closed. I wanted the gate steepled, but not so much as to compromise the rigidity of the gate, considering the materials I was going to use.

The different colours on the plan are my way of coding inside and outside dimensions.

ginnykuhn1 Loc: Annapolis, MD

Maybe not. Who made the paint??

Shutter Bugger

lol