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Jun 14, 2013 10:11:33   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
aerides wrote:
Do I understand this at all? When I dump my RAW images from my card into Lightroom I get CR files (I guess CR stands for "camera raw"?). And although Lightroom supplies tools to alter the CR files, most people convert them to TIFF files using a RAW File Converter (like Breezebrowser for Canon) and after converting, load them into Photoshop to do post processing? Do people generally work on RAW files before converting?

I have Canon ImageBrowser EX that came with the camera (7D) but as far as I've been able to discover, you can't edit RAW files in that software, only JPGs. I'd appreciate any guidance. Thanks!
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LIghtroom converts RAW files to other formats. You don't need a converter software.

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Jun 14, 2013 10:19:33   #
steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA
 
You can convert a RAW file, to an Adobe DNG file. As if that's any solution. :) Yes you process RAW files. What else woulld be the purpose, other than some large file you can do nothing with. You save them as JPG, or as a TIFF if further processing is to be done. :)

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Jun 14, 2013 11:20:24   #
JayB Loc: Northeast US
 
brucewells wrote:
Hope I'm making some sense for you. I have worked in technology (as a software developer) since the 80s, and I believe it's a surprise to most folks who decide to buy a DSLR just how much knowledge of computers is required. Even the camera is a miniature computer!!


Yep, total sense. I did some more backup reading as well so I get most of the DNG vs. CR2 (or NEF) + sidecar file thing now. Thanks for your patience with walking me through all this. It's pretty cool.

Do you ever save copies of your original NEF raw file in addition to the DNG?

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Jun 14, 2013 12:06:19   #
bioteacher Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
Is there a way to export pictures in LR4 to any other format besides JPG?

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Jun 14, 2013 12:06:31   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
aerides wrote:
Yep, total sense. I did some more backup reading as well so I get most of the DNG vs. CR2 (or NEF) + sidecar file thing now. Thanks for your patience with walking me through all this. It's pretty cool.

Do you ever save copies of your original NEF raw file in addition to the DNG?


LOL Okay, so you caught me!!! When I committed to the DNG format, and recognized that LR would store the original (NEF) files for me during import, I did start doing that. It made the commitment easier. It's now just part of my workflow, but lately I've been giving a lot of thought to discontinuing the practice. It has never paid dividends to me (never had to re-import a NEF) so I'm starting to consider whether it's something I want to keep doing.

Yes, it is pretty cool. Lightroom is way powerful. I honestly wouldn't consider digital photography without it.

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Jun 14, 2013 12:23:49   #
JayB Loc: Northeast US
 
brucewells wrote:
LOL Okay, so you caught me!!! When I committed to the DNG format, and recognized that LR would store the original (NEF) files for me during import, I did start doing that. It made the commitment easier. It's now just part of my workflow, but lately I've been giving a lot of thought to discontinuing the practice. It has never paid dividends to me (never had to re-import a NEF) so I'm starting to consider whether it's something I want to keep doing.

Yes, it is pretty cool. Lightroom is way powerful. I honestly wouldn't consider digital photography without it.
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That's good to know too. LR edits can always be undone (right?) but if you edit the DNG in PS without making a backup and something goes wrong, aren't you, well, screwed?

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Jun 14, 2013 12:43:31   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
aerides wrote:
That's good to know too. LR edits can always be undone (right?) but if you edit the DNG in PS without making a backup and something goes wrong, aren't you, well, screwed?


The edits you make in a raw processor only affects the sidecar file or, in the case of DNG, the internal sidecar file for lack of a better term. If you open the file in PS after you adjust in Adobe Raw you should save it as a PSD or tiff so the changes you make, such as adding layers,etc., are preserved if you ever plan to go back in and change something. The original RAW file stays intact with the little tattle tale sidecar reporting n the last state you left it in but doesn't permanently change the original RAW file. You do not add layers, etc., in a Raw file.

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Jun 14, 2013 13:04:08   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
gmcase wrote:
The edits you make in a raw processor only affects the sidecar file or, in the case of DNG, the internal sidecar file for lack of a better term. If you open the file in PS after you adjust in Adobe Raw you should save it as a PSD or tiff so the changes you make, such as adding layers,etc., are preserved if you ever plan to go back in and change something. The original RAW file stays intact with the little tattle tale sidecar reporting n the last state you left it in but doesn't permanently change the original RAW file. You do not add layers, etc., in a Raw file.
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Jun 14, 2013 13:07:21   #
JayB Loc: Northeast US
 
gmcase wrote:
The edits you make in a raw processor only affects the sidecar file or, in the case of DNG, the internal sidecar file for lack of a better term. If you open the file in PS after you adjust in Adobe Raw you should save it as a PSD or tiff so the changes you make, such as adding layers,etc., are preserved if you ever plan to go back in and change something. The original RAW file stays intact with the little tattle tale sidecar reporting n the last state you left it in but doesn't permanently change the original RAW file. You do not add layers, etc., in a Raw file.
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Okay. At this point it'll make more sense when I do it. I think I get the concepts though. For changes outside of LR, you export the image into the editing software in a pixel-bearing format. Treated from that point on as a separate file, really no longer connected to the RAW file in any practical sense. For any changes you make to the DNG in LR, you are changing the DNG but only the internal sidecar part of the file, and those changes are always undo-able.

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Jun 14, 2013 15:55:51   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
brucewells wrote:
Yes, LR has a raw file converter, but I perceive the raw file as my negative, and I will always maintain the negative, so I don't necessarily want to "convert the raw image". That said, I do convert the Nikon NEF raw image to a DNG raw image so I can use the file in Adobe products the way I want, but I catalog and maintain that DNG file from now on.

Your understanding is very close. DNG, CR2, NEF (and others) are all raw file formats. The thing that makes the DNG format different is that it was created by Adobe instead of a camera manufacturer. They created it for a very specific reason. First, and foremost, it keeps your image contained in a raw format, but it is structured to hold lots of additional data about the image contained in that file. The additional data it holds is specific to the edits that have been performed on the image by Adobe products. As soon as you make a change to the image (in LR, for instance), that change is recorded in the DNG file (not a copy of the DNG file) and when LR renders it to your monitor, it reads in all of the edits and renders the photo in its edited state.

Because the structure of CR2 and NEF files (and others) do not support storage of edits (made by LR) within the file, if you decide to keep the file in its original format (CR2, NEF, etc.), LR has to have someplace to record those edits. It does so by writing them to a sidecar file. Then, when you call up an image to your monitor for viewing, LR has to go read that sidecar file to see what edits have been applied to the image so that it renders it properly. Same as it was with a DNG file, except that it has to read those edits from another file instead of directly from the DNG. Personally, I didn't want this (keeping up with 2 files for each image), so I opted to use the DNG format for all my images. Yes, it requires me to be committed to the Adobe products, but I have to have something and no one approaches this technology quite like Adobe, so I'm good with it.

Hope I'm making some sense for you. I have worked in technology (as a software developer) since the 80s, and I believe it's a surprise to most folks who decide to buy a DSLR just how much knowledge of computers is required. Even the camera is a miniature computer!!
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I opted to keep my RAW files in the cr2 format because I occasionally do some PP in DPP. If I only used adobe products I would convert them to DNG.

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Jun 14, 2013 17:18:01   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
bioteacher wrote:
Is there a way to export pictures in LR4 to any other format besides JPG?


TIFF is another good one because it doesn't compress.

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Jun 14, 2013 20:30:19   #
KennyMac Loc: Lynchburg, VA
 
bioteacher wrote:
Is there a way to export pictures in LR4 to any other format besides JPG?


You ought to consider spending some time on adobe center and study each LR module (LIBRARY. DEVELOPE, ETC..). Grasping LR catalog functionality can be very confusing at first. In LIBRARY module, the left side is WINDOWS EXPLORER in disguise. This is where I do all my IMPORTING, EXPORTING, moving pix's. If you put pix in a folder outside of LR, they won't appear in you catalog until you SYNCHRONIZE folder. When you select EXPORT, you will fill in the menu as to destination, file type (jpg, dng, tiff, etc) , rename, and so on. Also, if you edit in RAW, and attempt to print or whatever outside of LR, you WILL NOT get the edits you did. When I EXPORT to jpg, I select PUT IN SUBFOLDER and ADD TO CATALOG, name the folder JPEGS and select the quality level and then HIT THE go BUTTON. You can convert all your imports to DNG's if that's going to be part of you workflow.
For example in my workflow , I shoot RAW, I IMPORT by removing card from camera, put in card reader, click IMPORT, select card, go over to left side of IMPORT screen and enter a new name for the selected series of selected pix instead of cryptic name given by camera, maybe enter some keywords, then hit IMPORT at lower right.
Also if loaded correctly, you can leave LR via the PHOTO menu in DEVELOP (EDIT IN) and go to PS or other pkgs such as NIK etc and when you're finished, you will come back to LR. Again, some study on Adobe site will clear up a lot of confusion. Also there are many other resources out there.

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Jun 15, 2013 23:30:17   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I opted to keep my RAW files in the cr2 format because I occasionally do some PP in DPP. If I only used adobe products I would convert them to DNG.


Valid reason! We have so many options with all the tools available.

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Jun 15, 2013 23:52:30   #
brokeweb Loc: Philadelphia
 
aerides wrote:
Do I understand this at all? When I dump my RAW images from my card into Lightroom I get CR files (I guess CR stands for "camera raw"?). And although Lightroom supplies tools to alter the CR files, most people convert them to TIFF files using a RAW File Converter (like Breezebrowser for Canon) and after converting, load them into Photoshop to do post processing? Do people generally work on RAW files before converting?

I have Canon ImageBrowser EX that came with the camera (7D) but as far as I've been able to discover, you can't edit RAW files in that software, only JPGs. I'd appreciate any guidance. Thanks!
Do I understand this at all? When I dump my RAW i... (show quote)


I shoot in RAW and import my photos using Lightroom. What I do, is import my files from my camera and save the unedited raw files into a specific folder. After the Lightroom import is completed, I switch over to the Develope modual, and do some preliminary edits...in Lightroom. Next I choose the "Edit In Photoshop" to open the image in Photoshop. I do all my final edits in photoshop then save on my Derivative drive in a folder named the same s my RAW file folder. This way, I have a copy of my original photograph, a tiff file of my edited file which I use to print.

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Jun 17, 2013 10:15:16   #
JayB Loc: Northeast US
 
Folks, this has been a wonderfully helpful and informative thread. Thanks to all.

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