Your Privacy ?
Jun 7, 2013 12:33:06 #
LarrE
Loc: Rock Hill, South Carolina
How can this be an Obama thing. Busch order it, congress has renewed it. Everyone hates it? The people that you elected like it. As old Senator Sam Ervin from NC said..."It is not the job of the American government to protect America from Americans".
Jun 7, 2013 12:49:47 #
Ambrose wrote:
Here's where it get's scarier. The order has been in place for years, and other phone companies face the same requirement. The program is authorized under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, the broad antiterrorism legislation that was signed into law right after 9/11.
Yep - it's George's baby, and Obama adopted it. A bipartisan fix.
Yep - it's George's baby, and Obama adopted it. A bipartisan fix.
Co-authors of the patriot act have publicly stated that this was not the purpose of that section of the act. Looks to me like the Holder Justice Department had done its own thing in this matter. What a surprise.
Jun 7, 2013 14:06:45 #
Croce
Loc: Earth
Richard94611 wrote:
Ambrose and RixPix don't seem to agree. So how do the rest of you feel ?
Well since your judgement is infallible Richard, I'm not going to worry about it. I'll leave it up to you. I know you will do what is good for the people. :roll:
Jun 7, 2013 14:06:45 #
Croce
Loc: Earth
Richard94611 wrote:
Ambrose and RixPix don't seem to agree. So how do the rest of you feel ?
Ooops, nervous reaction to what I just posted. :?
Jun 7, 2013 14:14:54 #
Richard94611 wrote:
Ambrose and RixPix don't seem to agree. So how do the rest of you feel ?
Don't like it one bit... And yes, it was started by Bush, that does not make it any better or worse, just how much of our freedoms will we let these extremists take from us... I have to laugh when I consider just how totally Bin Laden has won his war with the US.. He has robbed our Treasury of trillions, he has degraded our grannies and young daughters as they pass through TSA check points, and he is laughing with the crabs at the bottom of the sea as we continue to strip ourselves of freedoms and run towards the police state he will have given license to our government to create... I would say his victory was complete. This is just the tip of the iceberg, look at PRISM and realize that this is happening all over the country as well.
Jun 7, 2013 14:33:45 #
RixPix wrote:
This is not news...even Republicans call it necessary. If you're not up to something you've go nothing to worry about. If you've got something to worry about then stop electronic communications...just that simple if you want to keep it a secret don't mention it online, the phone or in text. There is no such thing as privacy. Thank you Patriot Act.
"Nothing to worry about" is a little naive I think. You could be innocently communicating with or doing business with someone who is (unaware to you) closely watched by the CIA/FBI/NSA and you just happen to say something that could be falsely construed as being part of illegal activity.
Or you are simply joking around with friends, perhaps discussing a purely hypothetical "what if" scenario over the phone or by email.
Do you really want to be paranoid about what you say, think, or who you have contact with?
Jun 7, 2013 14:45:34 #
rook2c4 wrote:
"Nothing to worry about" is a little nai... (show quote)
I am not nearly as concerned about the loss of privacy as I am the loss of constitutional protections, can our government do as it sees fit to our constitution? Does our constitution only hold meaning when the government says it does? Do we not need be concerned about an even greater danger?
Jun 7, 2013 14:49:40 #
rook2c4 wrote:
"Nothing to worry about" is a little nai... (show quote)
A totally Free Society, and a Totally OPEN Society cannot coexist as long as there are people that want to harm you. It is a sad fact, but a fact none the less.
Jun 7, 2013 15:38:05 #
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Jun 7, 2013 16:28:41 #
Richard94611 wrote:
Ambrose and RixPix don't seem to agree. So how do the rest of you feel ?
If Bush does it is is OK, if Obama does it he is taking away our freedom. :oops:
Jun 7, 2013 16:30:19 #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Don't like it one bit... And yes, it was started ... (show quote)
Blurry, sadly, you are totally correct.
Jun 7, 2013 16:52:31 #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Don't like it one bit... And yes, it was started ... (show quote)
Once again, agreed. We've got to stop meeting like this!
Jun 7, 2013 17:11:14 #
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
KW Conch wrote:
If Bush does it is is OK, if Obama does it he is taking away our freedom. :oops:
Not always the case. I'm a conservative that believes Bush the younger and President Obama are paddling the same canoe. Wasn't right when Bush did it and it isn't right now.
Jun 7, 2013 17:42:10 #
Pepper wrote:
Not always the case. I'm a conservative that believes Bush the younger and President Obama are paddling the same canoe. Wasn't right when Bush did it and it isn't right now.
That's exactly my point.
Jun 7, 2013 18:25:06 #
KW Conch wrote:
If Bush does it is is OK, if Obama does it he is taking away our freedom. :oops:
"To our misfortune, the Obama White House has proven to be even worse than the Bush White House when it comes to invading the privacy rights of Americans. As Yale law professor Jack Balkin notes, "We are witnessing the bipartisan normalization and legitimization of a national-surveillance state. [Obama has] systematically adopted policies consistent with the second term of the Bush Administration." Unfortunately, whereas those on the Left raised a hew and cry over the Bush administration's constant encroachments on Americans' privacy rights, it appears that the political leanings of those on the Left have held greater sway than their principles. Consequently, the Obama administration has faced much less criticism for its blatant efforts to reinforce the surveillance state.
Above excerpt from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/now-more-than-ever-everyb_b_3397834.html
My bold lettering. 8-)
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